Jesus prophesied that Sabbath would be kept by Christians until His return

[bbyrd009]

That was their point.

oh duh ty

 

[Brakelite]

i cant find “and it shall cease to be?”

Exactly my point.

 

[Adventageous]

the true Antichrist

English - AntiChrist (a transliteration of koine Greek)

koine Greek - αντιχριστος (antichristos)

Latin - Vicarivs Christi (official title of every 'pope', cardinal, archbishop, bishop, archdeacon, deacon, and priest of Rome)

Anti - koine Greek meaning, 'in the place of, or instead of' (or exalting to same position), or 'against'

2Th_2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Christos - koine Greek meaning, 'anointed', as the Hebrew "Messiah" means the same.

Lev_6:22 KJB And the priest of his sons that is anointed in his stead shall offer it: it is a statute for ever unto the LORD; it shall be wholly burnt.

Lev 6:15 so called LXX ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ χριστὸς ἀντ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ποιήσει αὐτήν· νόμος αἰώνιος, ἅπαν ἐπιτελεσθήσεται.

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[Adventageous]

This is to important for those who profess Christ and such a eye opener not to share repeatedly.

Let's take a look at Matthew. From the KJV Chapter 24 speaks of the tribulation and also the Sabbath. In Matt 24:20-31 Jesus speaks of the Sabbath being kept BY HIS FOLLOWS (US) through the destruction of the Temple in 70AD up to His Second coming.

Excellent point, see Study 11 -

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[Adventageous]

The Sabbath is Friday sundown to Saturday sundown my friend.

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[ScottA]

I do not see a new heaven and a new earth as yet.

If the heavens and the earth are not new to you, it is because nothing has changed in you--as "the kingdom of God is within you."

 

[ScottA]

I fully acknowledged that, as you are well aware. What I do not acknowledge is your opinion that the rest you speak of actually replaces obedience to God's commandments. That my friend you cannot show from scripture. I do not deny the test. I experience it every day. And I demonstrate the faith I have in Christ's rest and in His word, by obeying it. It is strange that you would use the observation of the Sabbath as evidence that others haven't a rest in Christ, when it in reality reveals the exact opposite.

KJV Ezekiel 20:12
12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.

Has God changed? Has Jesus changed? Is that gospel given to the Jews different to that given to the gentiles? Are the conditions of salvation different in the NT than they were in the OT?

Let's address your errors one at a time.

1. I have not been speaking my "opinion" to you, nor is that a way that God reveals the truth.
2. I can indeed show you--and perhaps already have, regarding the commandments of God from scripture. But it is not as you assume, not "replacing obedience." It is rather as follows: In being fully obedient to the Father, the law and commandments, was "obedience to the commandments of God replaced" by Jesus? No, but kept, therefore He entered the rest of the Father. Therefore, Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." Thus, by being "in Christ" we thereby do the same and the law and commandments are "fulfill" (rather than "replaced"). As for when, it is as it is written, we "were crucified with Christ."
3. Walking through life as if Jesus had not "fulfilled" the commandments and as if He is not in you in that capacity, is not a demonstration of faith, but a lack of faith, as your actions deny His presence. The "evidence" then, is rather of the promise of rest, demonstrating only part of what He has done in you--and shows only a half-measure of all that He has done, as if you were not yet "crucified with Christ"; and this is of you, not me.
4. As for the word from Ezekiel 20:12, yes, that is where yourself to exist--that is before His coming, yet in the times before He came and "fulfilled" all things.
5. It is not God who changes, but we who enter into His presence and rest. Which, yes Jesus changed: from being God before the foundation of the world, to coming in the lowly form of a man, and then to "fulfill" what the first Adam could not, again entering the rest of God as God.
6. Indeed, the gospel given to the Jews was and is different than the gospel given to the gentiles, therefore it was declared that it should be "rightly divided." Which is to say, that the same gospel has different application to "the dead in Christ" of whom Christ was "the Last", as opposed to "the living in Christ" of whom Christ was "the First"--"the firstfruits" indicating the those who are "in Christ" are of the same status: were crucified, and have entered into the eternal rest of God, no longer being of the sixth day or the world, but of the seventh day, and no longer of the world.

Likewise, the terms of salvation are also different (before and after Christ), except that both are "in Christ."​

 

[ScottA]

i cant find “and it shall cease to be?”

He was just mocking that I said, Christ "came not to destroy but to fulfill" the commandments, then entered the rest of God, and we who are "in Christ" with Him (just as it is written).

 

[bbyrd009]

we who are "in Christ" with Him (just as it is written).

"we" who are in Christ with Him?
hmm

 

[ScottA]

"we" who are in Christ with Him?
hmm

Those given to Christ by the Father, who standing at the door and hearing His knocking, open the door and receive the promise of His coming in to them, and them in Him. Of whom it is also written by the personal testimony of Paul, that "It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me."

 

[Nancy]

Just to clarify why I would make such a bold statement, for I am fully aware that claiming a doctrine held by a vast majority of American Christianity found it's genesis in the mind of devils will offend some, if not many.
Dispensationalism, the particulars of which are contrary to many otherwise well established Christian truths, was devised for one purpose. Similar to preterism and futurism, (and all dispensationalists as far as I am aware, are futurists) , dispensationalism effectively hides the true Antichrist from Christian observance. Unless they are willing to study their Bible without a predisposition to the teachings of Jesuits.

Honestly brother, I've always thought that "dispensations" were simply time periods...

 

[mailmandan]

Honestly brother, I've always thought that "dispensations" were simply time periods...

That is basically correct.

Ephesians 3:1 - For this reason I, Paul, the prisoner of Christ Jesus for you Gentiles-- 2 if indeed you have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which was given to me for you, 3 how that by revelation He made known to me the mystery (as I have briefly written already, 4 by which, when you read, you may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ), 5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:

 

[Brakelite]

English - AntiChrist (a transliteration of koine Greek)

koine Greek - αντιχριστος (antichristos)

Latin - Vicarivs Christi (official title of every 'pope', cardinal, archbishop, bishop, archdeacon, deacon, and priest of Rome)

Anti - koine Greek meaning, 'in the place of, or instead of' (or exalting to same position), or 'against'

2Th_2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Christos - koine Greek meaning, 'anointed', as the Hebrew "Messiah" means the same.

Lev_6:22 KJB And the priest of his sons that is anointed in his stead shall offer it: it is a statute for ever unto the LORD; it shall be wholly burnt.

Lev 6:15 so called LXX ὁ ἱερεὺς ὁ χριστὸς ἀντ᾿ αὐτοῦ ἐκ τῶν υἱῶν αὐτοῦ ποιήσει αὐτήν· νόμος αἰώνιος, ἅπαν ἐπιτελεσθήσεται.

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Hey Aaron, good to see you again.

 

[Brakelite]

Honestly brother, I've always thought that "dispensations" were simply time periods...

Yes, they are. Manufactured though and given a spiritual connotation as if God worked in different ways, and changed the means by which men are saved according to the calendar. The truth is, that from Genesis to Revelation, whether Jew or Gentile, pagan, heathen, slave or free, man, woman or child, all are saved by grace through faith. And contrary to popular opinion in the modern church, law and grace are not, nor have they ever been, antagonistic to one another.

 

[Brakelite]

Thus, by being "in Christ" we thereby do the same and the law and commandments are "fulfill" (rather than "replaced"

So, fulfill in your mind still means that any obedience whatsoever to the law, for example, a refusal to steal or commit adultery, is a sign that one is living contrary to the gospel?

Walking through life as if Jesus had not "fulfilled" the commandments and as if He is not in you in that capacity, is not a demonstration of faith, but a lack of faith, as your actions deny His presence. The "evidence" then, is rather of the promise of rest, demonstrating only part of what He has done in you--and shows only a half-measure of all that He has done, as if you were not yet "crucified with Christ"; and this is of you, not me.

Mmm. So the fact, and it is a fact, that all the improvement in character and attitude toward the righteousness of Christ and my hunger and thirst for that quality of life that reflects they image of Christ and results in obedience to His commandments, is a sign of lack of faith. Got it.

 

[Nancy]

Yes, they are. Manufactured though and given a spiritual connotation as if God worked in different ways, and changed the means by which men are saved according to the calendar. The truth is, that from Genesis to Revelation, whether Jew or Gentile, pagan, heathen, slave or free, man, woman or child, all are saved by grace through faith. And contrary to popular opinion in the modern church, law and grace are not, nor have they ever been, antagonistic to one another.

Sorry brother, I should know better than to comment on threads like this as, I'm not up on all these man made dispensations. Also in total agreement with you that all people who are saved, OT and NT alike, are saved by grace through faith in either their looking forward to their messiah and us looking back in faith.
The Law is also holy and always will be...nobody can follow it without Jesus. Yes, He does not change.

 

[ScottA]

So, fulfill in your mind still means that any obedience whatsoever to the law, for example, a refusal to steal or commit adultery, is a sign that one is living contrary to the gospel?

Mmm. So the fact, and it is a fact, that all the improvement in character and attitude toward the righteousness of Christ and my hunger and thirst for that quality of life that reflects they image of Christ and results in obedience to His commandments, is a sign of lack of faith. Got it.

It is as I said, you misunderstand.

Let me ask you: You say you do not steal or commit adultery to keep the commandments. Why do you not rather continue in things like stealing and adultery, to keep the commandments as well?

But, no, you have stopped the one but not the other.

The point is, to keep the commandment of keeping the Sabbath, means bringing the practice to an end also, in order to fulfill it. Because the practice is not the Sabbath, but the Lord is the Sabbath...and keeping the one means not keeping the other, like a child not coming forth in labor.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, they are. Manufactured though and given a spiritual connotation as if God worked in different ways, and changed the means by which men are saved according to the calendar. The truth is, that from Genesis to Revelation, whether Jew or Gentile, pagan, heathen, slave or free, man, woman or child, all are saved by grace through faith. And contrary to popular opinion in the modern church, law and grace are not, nor have they ever been, antagonistic to one another.

I'm trying to follow the objection to dispensensationalism. Are you saying its antagonistic ?

 

[HIM]

Matthew 24:16 - “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. You left out verse 16 from your OP which sinks your premise. Praying that "your flight not be on the Sabbath or winter" in verse 20 has to do with "let those in Judea flee" in verse 16. Matthew 24:20 applies to those living in Judea.

As was already pointed out the grammar ties the entire chapter together. 3 questions were asked by the Disciples. When shall these things be in respect to the temple being destroyed, the sign of His coming and the end of the world. Jesus' answer ties all three questions together. His use of conjunctive particles from verse four to verse six where Jesus talks of not being troubled in the hearing of wars and the rumor of wars and the rise and deception of false christs. He says all this must come to pass but the end is not yet.

The end of what?

The world in respect to one of the questions asked in verse 3.

Matt 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matt 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

Then Jesus picks up again with the use of conjunctive particles with the word for in verse 7. He says in respect to wars and rumor of wars, that nation shall rise against nation and Kingdom against kingdom. And in many places there shall be famines, pestilences and earthquakes. And all this is being said in relation to what Jesus said in verse 6, "but the end is not yet". The end of the world.

Jesus continues and says that all these are the beginning of sorrows in verse 8. Then in verse nine speaking of the end still Jesus speaks in the general sense How you, I and all that read this prior to the end shall be delivered, afflicted, killed, hated for His name sake. And also that many shall be offended, caused to stumble. And thereby betray one another and hate one another. And that many false prophets shall arise and deceive many. And through this the love of many shall wax cold. But he that that endures until the end, the same shall be saved.

The end of what? The end of the world. How do we know. Because the context is connected through the use of conjunctive particles. From verse 4 to 13. And Jesus use of conjunctive particles continues in His discourse connecting everything back to verse 6 where He speaks of the end in relation to the end of the world.


Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matt 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matt 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matt 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matt 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

As Jesus continues starting with another conjunctive particle. He says, And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world and then shall the end, the end of the world shall come.

As He goes on Jesus talks about when you therefore shall see the abomination of desolation set up in the holy place. He starts this with another conjunctive particle. That word is therefore. This means as you know that what was about to be said is related to what was previously talked about. So now we understand that the love of many waxing cold will be in collation with the Gospel of the Kingdom being preached in all the world and the Abomination of desolation set in the Holy spoken by Daniel will transpire as a sign of the end of the world..

In Jesus' statement, when you shall see the abomination of desolation set up in the holy place he uses the 2nd person pronoun you. This must be be understood in the general sense. As if Jesus is talking to all who may read this knowing that it would be written down for all to see, and not as if He is speaking to just His Disciples Peter, James, John and Andrew. The four who asked Him privately (Mark 13:3).

The main reason is, as was shown before, is His use of the conjunctive particle therefore. Which connects everything back to the explaining of when the end of the world will come. But the other thing is that if we take the abomination of desolation to be when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD then we must also know that 3 of Disciples where Martyred by then and the forth John due to the fact that Mary was not alive anymore by 70AD more and likely was not in Jerusalem either. But as was said Jesus used the word therefore connecting the abomination of desolation to the end of the world. Which is the context of the passage here chapter 24 as shown by His grammar, the use of the conjunctive particles. Which tie everything together in the same context. The explaining of when the end of the world shall come.


Matt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

Continued in next post due to length of post.

 

[HIM]

Matthew 24:16 - “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. 18 And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. You left out verse 16 from your OP which sinks your premise. Praying that "your flight not be on the Sabbath or winter" in verse 20 has to do with "let those in Judea flee" in verse 16. Matthew 24:20 applies to those living in Judea.

I find it interesting that Ellen G White took this same Bible passage that had nothing to do with Sabbath observance by Christians and used it in a manner that is inconsistent with the context of the verse as well. Jesus was not imploring Christians to pray that they would not need to escape upon the Sabbath so that they would not break the fourth commandment. The context of the verse is clearly pointing to the physical difficulties of traveling.

Travel for pregnant and nursing women would be very difficult. Winter cold would make travel extremely difficult along with closed city gates, laws against carrying loads, laws against traveling more than a short distance, laws against buying and selling on the Sabbath. (Exodus 16:29; Jeremiah 17:21-22; Nehemiah 13:15-19) The only reasonable explanation of Jesus' reference to the Sabbath here is that He was concerned with the difficulties these Jews would face if they were forced to leave Judea on the Sabbath day.

Then Jesus continues with another conjunctive particle, Then, at the time when the love of many has waxed cold and the Gospel has reach the end of the world and the abomination of desolation is set up as signs of the end of the world, then let them in Judea flee unto the mountains, if on the housetop do not come down just go. And woe unto them with child in those days. But pray in your fleeing that this not happen in the winter because of it be even rougher on you or on the Sabbath Day because you will be distracted with worship and rest from your physical labors. For then at the moment these signs of the coming of the end of the world appear, then verse 21 continues there shall be a tribulation as there never was nor shall there ever be again. Then at this time if any says here is Christ believe it not. For at the time of this persecution which will be shortened there shall arise false Christs and prophets and they shall deceive many. But they whom endure unto the end. Do not let there love wax cold through Christ they shall be saved.


Matt 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matt 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matt 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matt 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matt 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Matt 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


Behold Jesus says, during this tribulation which will happen after the love of many wax cold and the Gospel of the Kingdom is preached throughout the whole world and the abomination of desolation is set up which are signs of the end of the world coming. Then He says behold, during this tribulation when the false Christs arise. Behold if they say he is in the desert or in a secret chamber believe it not. For as lightening shines from the east unto the west even so shall My return be.

But immediately after this tribulation that will be shortened the Sun shall be darkened, the moon shall not give it's light, the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of heaven shaken. At this moment, then verse 30 states shall appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven as lightening shines from the east unto the west. And all the tribes shall morn as they see the sign of the Son of Man coming in the clouds of Heaven with power and great glory. At this moment when all that are on the earth shall see will Jesus send His angels with the sound of the trumpet and gather the elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven unto the other for the end of this world has come. Blessed be the Name of our Lord. And praise to You our Lord God in heaven. Who just revealed to me in this study that chapter 24 in Matthew is mainly about Jesus' coming to gather the elect, His children prior to the end of the world. But up to this point as was shown before the elect, we His children are gathered, we will be observing the Sabbath. And we should pray that when the tribulation comes prior to the signs that the love of many have waxed cold, and the Gospel is preached throughout the whole world and the abomination of desolation is set up in the holy place. That our flight from tribulation not be in the winter or the Sabbath Day. Amen


Matt 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matt 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
Matt 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matt 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matt 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.