The same as the Adam J...good point J.. That is what I said by not having the propensity to sin...the inward awareness and innocence was intact...and the external influence did Adam in. unfortunately.. not Christ though....
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Get a pair on J,....You omitted the '..'dots I placed between unfortunately and not.....that should straighten things out...
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16
He (@Johann) read it the same way I did, because there was a period after the word "in" ...so he would have read the following words as one sentence, as did I. But apparently, that's not what you meant. lol
There are many a Discordian here who at least pose as Trump haters.
Indeed, Christians don't say their sisters and brothers worship Trump. Or that Republicans are a cult.
Discordians don't know the meaning of fruits. However,we do. When Discordians resort to those name calling tactics and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit,they tell us who they really are.
Ok that is a quite different query...and a million dollar or SA equiv. currency question, as it might not, or should not mean unfortunately. And then this is a Catholic view if it should be considered 'fortunate' that Adam did since.
As we can agree in the main, Adam’s sin is very often viewed as an unfortunate event, because it introduced sin and death into the world. However, the idea of 'Félix culpa,' or 'fortunate fault,' a Catholic invention, suggesting that regardless of the negative consequences, Adam’s sin ultimately led to a much greater good through the redemption of/by Jesus Christ.
And of course this was God's plan from the start.
It is a great debate topic I never largely considered as an issue, up until now..
And then if I said it was fortunate for Adam to sin, it does open up more questions and even some hidden gems.
One that a Trinitarian may not agree upon or at least understand initially.
The moral of the story can be this one: Without the Spirit of God within a human being to possess and work within them, as Christ, mentally and spiritually, every human being will always, eventually, sin via their physical body and through their senses, as Adam did.
So, ok, I will bite, and change, and line through the word 'unfortunate' and scribble instead 'fortunate'...
...a deep area of discussion...
I stated that Jesus Christ had no inward propensity to sin and could not be "tempted" in any inward manner, as peirazō is predominantly used to describe external temptations.
However, he responded-unfortunately-that this does not apply to Christ. The only logical conclusion I can draw from such a claim is that, according to his view, Christ had the potential to succumb to sin.
God bless sister.
Johann.
Come off it...you are way off and not thinking even logically J.
Man, I was speaking about Adam and 'the unfortunately' pertained to him, and him only....what's wrong with your vision...THEN to Christ as not being the same who sinned BECAUSE he never sinned is the inference......
Do I have to speak in a kindergarten thought and word patterns...oh well
Yes, you are correct, I am tired today so I will concede and give you this point-Christ Jesus was sinless and His temptations external, not internal--feeling better?
J.
Great job and you needn't say you conceded as you did not, you just did not understand I was very abbreviated at the end of my comment previously. It was intentional, and I never began to speak about Christ yet....and that's why the dots before and afterwards of his name.
How can you deduce any conclusion from 'this' is beyond me. You need to ask as AJ of me, before formulating a rash conclusion. This is how needless gossip begins.
Just don't assume the worst, or hoping it the worst for your agendi, as it seems you then have ammunition to fire back...not an honest habit to maintain.
I come in honesty and truth not for any deception, as I would also expect the same from you..
Anyway let's move on with it and finds some gems of truth...including @TLHKAJ
amigo de christo
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Sounds like it . dont it my friend . You are correct that pope francis sits a king over this interfaith finding common ground
abraham peace accords religious tolerance act .
But i am not confusing the two . TRUMP is a solider of this .
Many keep praising trump for His abraham peace accords , religious tolerance act
his interfaith . ONLY IT WAS NEVER HIS . HE DOES , as a very devouted solider , THE WORK
of those who he even pretends to be against .
THE TIME HAS COME to merge all , NOT inthe lambs book of life to be as one with all religoins .
THE HOUR has come .
We are at the end .
So , no my pepper , no my dear friend , I do not confuse trump with the pope . I HAVE COME TO WARN
HE DOES THE WILL OF THIS POPE . MANY are getting clowned and decieved . For they hope and they trust
was ALWAYS IN MEN , NOT GOD . many will wail on the day of the LORD GOD ALLMIGHTY
and the prophets of nar and of the prosperity
will turn and look upon the prophets of the liberal progressive
and then will look upon the peoples who both sides had decieved
and they will say , HOW come we are gathered at his LEFT HAND , I thought GOD was love .
AND THEY WILL BE TOLD , DEPART FROM ME YOU WHORE MONGERS
and the blood of all you decieved is upon you . and the peoples will wail and wail
and cry and cry and say , BUT its not our fault
they said they were men of God , they did teach us some bible .
AND HE WILL ANSWER , YOU NEVER LOVED GOD , YOU NEVER LOVED THE TRUTH
for had you done so you had loved to read that bible for yourself
and not chosen to sit under men WHO TWISTED IT to suit whatever you wanted to BE TRUTH . MANY GONNA WAIL PEPPER .
MANY . Now its high time we get off our backsides and into that bible for YOU and for YOU ALONE .
THESE PROPHETS ARE FALSE . FALSE and i stand fully fully persauded THEY ARE and decieve this people from BOTH SIDES .
THUS i warned , SO NOT a one of yalls blood will be on my head . SURE it cost me , SURE I dont have hardly any friends
and even those i love most hate me . SURE it has cost me . BUT I would not trade it in for all this worlds money .
FOREWARD march pepper , THEY whose hope be in men , are cursed . cursed i tell ya , cursed .
TIME we hope in GOD , IN CHRIST and open bible for ourselves
Dishonesty has nothing to do with what I firmly believe.
I suppose it is the same with you.
So why call me dishonest?
Pointless.
Sad is blaspheming God who told us repeatedly He is Immanuel,Jesus.
Call people names as you like. It is you who will answer for every word.
You believe what God tells you.
Don't be baited by unbelievers in what God says. Those ones are eternally in regret.
Wrangler
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I’m not asking what your beliefs are but facts, what Scripture explicitly teaches.
I just explained that. I asked what verse says Jesus is YHWH. You presented verses that do not say that. Compare to 1 Cor 8:6 that says there is only one God, the Father.
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