Jesus' God

[ElieG12]

Thank you for corroborating what I said. In your posts we constantly perceive your hatred for Christians who teach the biblical truth that you continue to try to hide.

I don't even really think you are a Christian, but rather you are pretending to be one to create conflicts in the forum and supposedly generate traffic. It is evident that your comments are just mechanical nonsense; they are simply random biblical quotes that you include in meaningless gibberish that does not even have to do with the comments you quote.

Considering that this is a Christian forum where people want to learn the biblical truth, whoever invented your character should respect not only the rest of forum members for the effort they make in their contributions, but also have the decency to speak of the things of God with more respect, and try to make an effort to refute the ideas presented, instead of ranting against people.

This is a message that I had to convey to you. Anyway, I still keep you in my ignored list. I cannot waste time reading and answering false believers who demonstrate with their attitude that when they say they are "Christians", they are lying.

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you for corroborating what I said. In your posts we constantly perceive your hatred for Christians who teach the biblical truth that you continue to try to hide.

I don't even really think you are a Christian, but rather you are pretending to be one to create conflicts in the forum and supposedly generate traffic. It is evident that your comments are just mechanical nonsense; they are simply random biblical quotes that you include in meaningless gibberish that does not even have to do with the comments you quote.

Considering that this is a Christian forum where people want to learn the biblical truth, whoever invented your character should respect not only the rest of forum members for the effort they make in their contributions, but also have the decency to speak of the things of God with more respect, and try to make an effort to refute the ideas presented, instead of ranting against people.

This is a message that I had to convey to you. Anyway, I still keep you in my ignored list. I cannot waste time reading and answering false believers who demonstrate with their attitude that when they say they are "Christians", they are lying.

Thank you for corroborating what I said. In your posts we constantly perceive your hatred for Christians who teach the biblical truth that you continue to try to hide.

I don't even really think you are a Christian, but rather you are pretending to be one to create conflicts in the forum and supposedly generate traffic. It is evident that your comments are just mechanical nonsense; they are simply random biblical quotes that you include in meaningless gibberish that does not even have to do with the comments you quote.

Considering that this is a Christian forum where people want to learn the biblical truth, whoever invented your character should respect not only the rest of forum members for the effort they make in their contributions, but also have the decency to speak of the things of God with more respect, and try to make an effort to refute the ideas presented, instead of ranting against people.

This is a message that I had to convey to you. Anyway, I still keep you in my ignored list. I cannot waste time reading and answering false believers who demonstrate with their attitude that when they say they are "Christians", they are lying.

Christians follow CHRIST who is the Eternal Word that was God in the beginning - Genesis 1:1

jw's follow Watchtower and this LIE = "the Word was a god"

The True Living God commands us to not have any gods before Him - Deuteronomy 5:7

I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you

 

[ElieG12]

I constantly reference biblical passages.

I appreciate you recognizing that Jehovah's Witnesses' "theology" is entirely rooted in the Scriptures, which authorizes us to be representatives of God and Christ.

That is not the case with Catholic theology and others'. That's why no other Christian group is engaged in the work we carry out (Matt. 24:14; 28:19, 20).

Hopefully you would begin engaging in such thing, or at least make an attempt, as this forum is designed for that purpose. Actually, other religious groups and fake "Christians" are the ones who sell "theologies", we don't. If you go to our official website, everything is free, and we don't even include adds on it. Speakers of more than 1000 languages can benefit from it.

 

[ElieG12]

To managers and Stuff members:

I request that YOU, please, do not blame other forum members or close threads on hot Bible topics just because of conflicts caused by specific forum members.

It seems that it is a maneuver by some forum members to provoke others with insults in order to instigate them to aggressively defend and cause the closure of Bible topics they do not like.

Please rather take action against those forum members who insult others and prohibit them from continuing to provoke such conflicts on other people's topics and threads.

Thank you.

 

[David in NJ]

To managers and Staff members

Remember that it was the pharisees who demanded that they "take action" against the Lord and His disciples for speaking the Truth

The same pharisees are here today seeking to ban the Truth and especially the exposure of that which speaks against the Truth

Truth -
I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
‘You shall have no other gods before Me.

Lie - the Word was a god

Whenever false religion is exposed - the adherents demand "action be taken" = against those who speak Truth

 

[ScottA]

Jesus appears to John in a vision over three decades after his ascent to heaven, and told him:

Rev. 3:12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

So, discussing the heavenly temple, he refers to the central place of worship for the God adored by countless invisible spirit beings residing there, next to the throne of the Majesty of the Universe and His heavenly temple, and in the surroundings.

What is the Trinitarian perspective on the God of Jesus, who is worshiped above? Do Trinitarians recognize that Jesus, serving as high priest, worships a God in heaven?

There are many such misunderstandings. But that is not at all what is being revealed.

Can a boy not also be a king? If a boy is sent speaking of a king, the ruler of all--can he not be that king? This is the lowly thinking of confused men without understanding.

How is it that the foolish, do not reconcile that the one is flesh and the other is spirit, and yet are one?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus appears to John in a vision over three decades after his ascent to heaven, and told him:

Rev. 3:12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

So, discussing the heavenly temple, he refers to the central place of worship for the God adored by countless invisible spirit beings residing there, next to the throne of the Majesty of the Universe and His heavenly temple, and in the surroundings.

What is the Trinitarian perspective on the God of Jesus, who is worshiped above? Do Trinitarians recognize that Jesus, serving as high priest, worships a God in heaven?

Though Jesus is equal to god the Father in nature (Godhood if you will), He is subordinate to His Father in the tri-unity of God. The issue of Jesus worshipping His Father has to do with position and not nature or essence.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus worships his Creator, of course! God is not a High Priest and never will be! They are taken from among men!

Hebrews 5:1-2 (ESV)
For every high priest chosen from among men is appointed to act on behalf of men in relation to God, to offer gifts and sacrifices for sins. He can deal gently with the ignorant and wayward, since he himself is beset with weakness.

All the best with your thread! Hope it goes well... @Brakelite @Wrangler

F2F

Jesus is not a created being. The bible as written is absolutely and explicitly clear Jesus has been in existence in eternity with the Father and the Spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

Rule 1 - Love God.Rule 2 - “ Love your neighbour as you love yourself “. Through rule 2, Lord Jesus has advised all of us to love, respect and show mercy to every human being in this world, which includes members of all religions.

 

[David in NJ]

And what did Jesus tell them?

John 10:34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified— 36 do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?”

do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?”

These words of JESUS bear witness against those who do not believe Him - therefore they demand for Him to STOP

The only WAY to the FATHER is to be in the Lord Jesus Christ

Make the Lord Jesus Christ your hearts desire and the FATHER will grant to you His Holy Spirit

For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through Him. Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

And this is the verdict: The Light has come into the world, but men loved the darkness rather than the Light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come into the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.
But whoever practices the truth comes into the Light, so that it may be seen clearly that what he has done has been accomplished in God.”

RUN to the LIGHT and receive from the FATHER His Yahshua/Salvation

 

[A Freeman]

Jesus was/is a Prophet



Jesus prophesied often.



If bible prophecy isn't 100% True, then the Bible is a fraud, as its the prophetic aspect of the word of God that is the proof of the Truth of it.
So, when a person thinks........or teaches, that a OT Prophecy, "was wrong" then this person does not understand the context of the prophecy, or the prophecy itself.
This person is usually involved with a Cult.. like JW's or Mormons.. .ect.

Please re-read what was posted and THINK about it, before having a knee-jerk reaction to it.

The prophecies include accurately predicting many evil things that people do, including lying, and telling lies, etc. It doesn't mean the prophecies are in error; it only means people ARE evil, exactly as the Bible has prophesied we would be.

The prophecies have a 100% track record of being correct; it's people's reading comprehension skills and understanding that is lacking.

The prophecy in Isaiah 9:6 is 100% true as well, as people have CALLED Jesus all of those things, even though some descriptions are quite obviously in contradiction to other descriptions, e.g. God is The King Ruler of the Universe, and thus could not be a "prince" of anything (a prince is heir to the throne). And similarly, Christ--Who is the Prince of Peace--could NEVER be "The Everlasting Father" or "The mighty God" (see: John 14:28 and Matt. 6:9-13 for why neither of those last two descriptions could be accurate, according to Christ).

But people have CALLED Christ all of these things, correctly in some instances and incorrectly in other instances, EXACTLY as prophesied.

 

[Behold]

Please re-read what was posted and THINK about it, before having a knee-jerk reaction to it.

The prophecies include accurately predicting many evil things that people do, including lying, and telling lies, etc. It doesn't mean the prophecies are in error; it only means people ARE evil, exactly as the Bible has prophesied we would be.

Well, my response was not regarding fake prophets .
I was only talking about Jesus THE Prophet, and His Prophecies.

Christ--Who is the Prince of Peace--could NEVER be "The Everlasting Father" or "The mighty God"

Jesus is not the Father, and i explained this in a previous post.

He can be the "mighty God" because God was manifested in the flesh, who "was God".. in John 1:1.

 

[A Freeman]

Well, my response was not regarding fake prophets .
I was only talking about Jesus THE Prophet, and His Prophecies.



Jesus is not the Father, and i explained this in a previous post.

He can be the "mighty God" because God was manifested in the flesh, who "was God".. in John 1:1.

It was God's Prophet Isaiah that wrote what God told Isaiah to write in Isaiah 9:6, which is what was being discussed.

You seem to have drifted off of that topic onto Jesus being a Prophet which, of course Jesus was. And yes, Jesus very obviously is NOT Father, despite people making those false claims, exactly as prophesied.

And no, Jesus is/was not "The Mighty God", and nowhere in John 1:1 does it directly say nor infer that.

 

[Behold]

It was God's Prophet Isaiah that wrote what God told Isaiah to write in Isaiah 9:6, which is what was being discussed.

You seem to have drifted off of that topic onto Jesus being a Prophet which, of course Jesus was. And yes, Jesus very obviously is NOT Father, despite people making those false claims, exactly as prophesied.

Ive never met anyone who understand the Triune God , who teaches that Jesus is the Father.

Jesus is the WORD, Pre-incarnate.....>He's not the Father.

And no, Jesus is/was not "The Mighty God", and nowhere in John 1:1 does it directly say nor infer that.

"Mighty" God is just an adjective.

God is callrf many adjectives.. Titles........and in that verse, He's Mighty.
Another verse says He's Jealous.
Another says He's Holy.

So, try not to get lost in the Adjectives...

Whereas we know that "Let US.... make man.. is OUR Image" ..... is 2.

"Us and OUR" = 2... so that is God and Jn1... "was God" as the Pre-incarnate Jesus as "the Word was God".

Those are 2. = Father and Word.

Add in the Holy Spirit, and you have 3, who are "ONE."

 

[David in NJ]

Ive never met anyone who understand the Triune God , who teaches that Jesus is the Father.

Jesus is the WORD, Pre-incarnate.....>He's not the Father.



"Mighty" God is just an adjective.

God is callrf many adjectives.. Titles........and in that verse, He's Mighty.
Another verse says He's Jealous.
Another says He's Holy.

So, try not to get lost in the Adjectives...

Whereas we know that "Let US.... make man.. is OUR Image" ..... is 2.

"Us and OUR" = 2... so that is God and Jn1... "was God" as the Pre-incarnate Jesus as "the Word was God".

Those are 2. = Father and Word.

Add in the Holy Spirit, and you have 3, who are "ONE."

Correct

 

[Behold]

Correct

Yes.

Jesus is the Word, who became the SON.

God is not the Son, but "God is A Spirit"... (The Holy Spirit).

"Jesus is THAT Spirit".

So, we see, Father, Son, Spirit..

That is Father, and Word who became the Son, and The Holy Spirit.

That is 3<>ONE

This math works out every time, unless you just dont like Math... Reader

 

[David in NJ]

Yes.

Jesus is the Word, who became the SON.

God is not the Son, but "God is A Spirit"... (The Holy Spirit).

"Jesus is THAT Spirit".

So, we see, Father, Son, Spirit..

That is Father, and Word who became the Son, and The Holy Spirit.

That is 3<>ONE

Here is another SHARP SWORD of TRUTH for your Weaponry against the lies - Romans 8:9

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you.
Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

 

[keithr]

Were you aware of how the Jews in the second century B.C. translated the verses of Isaiah 9:6-7 from Hebrew into Greek?

(LXX) Is. 9:
6 Because a child was born to us; a son was given to us whose leadership came upon his shoulder; and his name is called “Messenger [Angel] of the Great Council,” for I will bring peace upon the rulers and health to him.
7 His leadership is great, and there is no limit to his peace on the throne of David and his kingdom, to establish and take hold of it by justice and by righteousness, now and forever. The eagerness of [Jehovah of armies] will do these things.

Thank you for pointing that out, but you might have made a slight mistake (or have a poor translation?). It doesn't say "of the Great Council", it says "of great counsel" - quite different. He's not a messenger of a group of peope named the Great Council, he is a messenger who is able to give great advice (counsel). From Septuagint:

6 For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder, and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel *: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.​

7 His government shall be great, and of his peace there is no end: [it shall be] upon the throne of David, and [upon] his kingdom, to establish it, and to support [it] with judgment and with righteousness, from henceforth and forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts shall perform this.​

* Alex. + Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Potentate, Prince of Peace, Father of the age to come.​

Alternatively, I have the Greek OT [The Septuagint (LXX), edited by Alfred Ras. Published in 1935; public domain] in e-Sword, which translated by Google Translate says:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called the Angel of the Mighty One: for I will send peace upon the princes, peace and health unto him.​

although if I remove some words it translates it as:

and His name is called the Angel of Great Power​

Edit: I've just downloaded a PDF file (from Brenton Septuagint Translation PDF) of a scan of an old copy of a Septuagint translation (1879), which similarly translates it as:

For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger of great counsel:* for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.​

​

* Alexandrine Text + Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty One, Potentate, Prince of Peace, Father of the age to come.​

 

[ElieG12]

... you might have made a slight mistake (or have a poor translation?). It doesn't say "of the Great Council", it says "of great counsel" - quite different. ...

I quoted from The Lexham English Septuagint (LES).

PS: I used two squared brackets expressions to note that in LES the phrase "the Lord Sabaoth" is normally "Jehovah of armies/hosts" in Hebrew, and that the same word for "Messenger" means "Angel".

 

[Davy]

It was God's Prophet Isaiah that wrote what God told Isaiah to write in Isaiah 9:6, which is what was being discussed.

You seem to have drifted off of that topic onto Jesus being a Prophet which, of course Jesus was. And yes, Jesus very obviously is NOT Father, despite people making those false claims, exactly as prophesied.

And no, Jesus is/was not "The Mighty God", and nowhere in John 1:1 does it directly say nor infer that.

But yes, Jesus is "The Mighty God", and "Everlasting Father" per Isaiah 9:6, so I don't know why you would deny that.

Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV

The only difference between The Father and The Son is Jesus' Office as The Christ, to be born through flesh woman to die on the cross to defeat death and the devil for us, being the one Perfect Sacrifice for all time. This The Father never did, and that is how They are different.

Even when Apostle Philip asked Jesus to just show us the Father, and it would suffice, Jesus asked him had He been with Philip all this time and he had not known Him, for those who had seen Him (Jesus) had seen The Father (John 14:9).