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GodsGrace

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I get burned out when the forum gets flooded with these antichrist threads. Yes, allow discussion of the Trinity, but some of those who abuse the freedom to spam the forum should be removed.

Much love!
You can't remove them because the forum is open to all and for discussion.
And so it goes on....

It's kind of like getting company.
You make dinner for them.
And they spend the rest of the evening criticizing the food or how the house is decorated,
or your family.

To say nothing of the early church and what it went through to keep heretics and heresy out of Christianity.
 

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I don't think you have to know everything to become born again. But for so many who claim salvation for so many years and who don't know Who Jesus is? Jesus is YHWH, there is no question about that.

Much love!
I'm not saying they're lost.
God is a just God and we will be judged justly...doctrine will not save anyone but whether or not they practiced love.

As to YHWH,,,,yes,,,,there's a member on another forum that understands this very well.
By discussing with him, I came to understand what this means...although I'm not 100% firm on it.
I'd say to him NO...YHWH is God Father.....Jesus is God Son.....
But,,,it could be shown scripturally...it would be interesting to review again...but I won't ask it of you.
 
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Back in topic:
From Jesus' point of view, who was the God being worshipped in the temple in Jerusalem?
ANSWER HERE:

John 2:13 Now the Passover of the Jews was near, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 He found in the temple those selling cattle and sheep and doves, and the money brokers in their seats. 15 So after making a whip of ropes, he drove all those with the sheep and cattle out of the temple, and he poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. 16 And he said to those selling the doves: “Take these things away from here! Stop making the house of my Father a house of commerce!” 17 His disciples recalled that it is written: “The zeal for your house will consume me.”

If the temple of Jehovah in Jerusalem was Jesus' Father's house, then who is the Father of Jesus, who was worshiped as God in the temple of Jerusalem?

PS: If you do not know to whom the temple built in Jerusalem was dedicated, read the prayer of dedication of the temple when Solomon finished it in 1 Kings 8:23-53. :gd
 
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Jesus appears to John in a vision over three decades after his ascent to heaven, and told him:

Rev. 3:
12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

So, discussing the heavenly temple, he refers to the central place of worship for the God adored by countless invisible spirit beings residing there, next to
the throne of the Majesty of the Universe and His heavenly temple, and in the surroundings.

What is the Trinitarian perspective on the God of Jesus, who is worshiped above? Do Trinitarians recognize that Jesus, serving as high priest, worships a God in heaven?

Jesus is referring to God's future House on earth, written about in the Ezekiel 40 through 47 chapters. I can kind of tell you are not that familiar with it.

In John 14, when Jesus told His disciples that He goes to prepare a place for them, that in 'God's House' there are many "mansions" (abodes), He was talking about the future sanctuary on earth of Ezekiel 40 through 47.
 

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These texts belong to two different speeches of Peter to Jews who refused to accept Jesus as Jehovah's Messiah:

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him.
... 5:30 The God of our forefathers raised up Jesus, whom you killed, hanging him on a stake.

In Peter's way of conceiving God and Jesus, what differences exist between them in his mind?
 

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He is called, "my righteous servant" in Isaiah 53:11

Isaiah 53:11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.

Isaiah 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
 

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They were servants but Jesus henceforth called them friends

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

God speaking to Jesus said,

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
 

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Jesus appears to John in a vision over three decades after his ascent to heaven, and told him:

Rev. 3:
12 ‘The one who conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the New Jerusalem that descends out of heaven from my God, and my own new name. 13 Let the one who has an ear hear what the spirit says to the congregations.’

So, discussing the heavenly temple, he refers to the central place of worship for the God adored by countless invisible spirit beings residing there, next to
the throne of the Majesty of the Universe and His heavenly temple, and in the surroundings.

What is the Trinitarian perspective on the God of Jesus, who is worshiped above? Do Trinitarians recognize that Jesus, serving as high priest, worships a God in heaven?
Seeing a temple in Heaven does not mean there is a literal temple in Heaven anymore than seeing Beasts coming out of the Sea means there are literal Beasts coming out of the Sea. Rev. 13
or, seeing a woman clothed with the Sun and a moon beneath her feet means there is a woman standing on the moon with the Sun as clothing. Rev.12.

A faulty interpretation of a metaphor is as bad as not seeing/ understanding the metaphor and making it literal. It will birth all sorts of questions akin to that of the various explanations of the coke bottle that fell out pf the sky in the comedy, 'The God's must be Crazy'
 

ElieG12

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Can anyone deny that Jesus has a God whom he still considers his own God (Rev. 3:12)?

The truth is amazing!!! A few seconds before taking his last breath, Jesus cried out to God with a loud voice.

Matt. 27:46 About the ninth hour, Jesus called out with a loud voice, saying: “Eʹli, Eʹli, laʹma sa·bach·thaʹni?” that is, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

The following passage may surprise some:

Heb. 5:7 During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. 8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered. 9 And after he had been made perfect, he became responsible for everlasting salvation to all those obeying him, 10 because he has been designated by God a high priest in the manner of Melchizedek.

Jesus considered his God, Jehovah, as his own Savior.
 
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I don't think you have to know everything to become born again. But for so many who claim salvation for so many years and who don't know Who Jesus is? Jesus is YHWH, there is no question about that.

Much love!
So Yahshua is and means YHWH these days does it? You are so found wanting in this area marks. You neither know who is the Father and the Son; immersing yourself in the false security of Trinitarian confusion and non-Monotheistic fervor.
 

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Slow day? You just had to run someone down?

Good show!
Not really marks, 1, I read some of your empty prowess, prose and 2,, I just want to give you again another reality check, this month as you still don't get it, in denial, to know who is the one true God. It is truly a great joy to know who it the one God of all of us.
 

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Not really marks, 1, I read some of your empty prowess, prose and 2,, I just want to give you again another reality check, this month as you still don't get it, in denial, to know who is the one true God. It is truly a great joy to know who it the one God of all of us.
No, really.

Maybe you could visit the hair salon if you need some self-affirmation that badly.

Seriously. Digging up an old post so you can write your denigrations. Maybe some people just can't end a day without doing something poorly. Isn't there a Bible verse about that?

Much love and hope that you will get over it!
 

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No, really.

Maybe you could visit the hair salon if you need some self-affirmation that badly.

Seriously. Digging up an old post so you can write your denigrations. Maybe some people just can't end a day without doing something poorly. Isn't there a Bible verse about that?

Much love and hope that you will get over it!
It's not a matter of getting over it when it is a part of my life as a Christian marks. It's a truly spiritual experience.

Later then, and I'm sure I will write a much longer post to you in the future on some theological subject of interest where we greatly differ in understanding and belief e.g. the non-monotheistic trinity and its one 3-person god..
 

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It's not a matter of getting over it when it is a part of my life as a Christian marks. It's a truly spiritual experience.

Later then, and I'm sure I will write a much longer post to you in the future on some theological subject of interest where we greatly differ in understanding and belief e.g. the non-monotheistic trinity and its one 3-person god..
Given your behavior, you needn't bother.

Over and out.

Much love!
 

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Jesus' apostles had heard him say several times that he was going to a place where they could not follow him at that time. However, he told them not to be sad about it, because the person he was going to meet, his Father and God (John 20:17), had more power than they saw in him:

John 14:28
You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.

This meant that Jesus could ask God for power and favor from heaven for his followers. He even told them:

John 14:
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And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, 17 the spirit of the truth, which the world cannot receive, because it neither sees it nor knows it. You know it, because it remains with you and is in you.

For the apostles it was an immense comfort that their Master would meet with God and ask Him for help on their behalf.

Once again we correctly understand the difference between Jesus and God.
 

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Here are a few verses where greater can be shown

John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

And given the Father sent Christ, he says this

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

Jesus said, the Father, which gave them "me" is greater than all

John 10:29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Saying "my Father is greater than I"

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Hebrews also reccognizes that men swear by the greater

Hebrews 6:16 For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.

And an oath for confirmation here (by the greater) is "to them" an end of all strife, is in respects to making Jesus Christ a High priest, as it says here

Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.

Even as the LORD hath sworn here

Psalm 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

So also is the reference to Heb 5:5 confimend by Jesus, here, saying "the LORD hath said to ME"

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

The same confirmed by the apostles here

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. (See Rom 1:4/ Resurrection)

From the second Psalm which continues (God the Father speaking to the Son saying)

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Hebrews showing us the Son was appointed heir

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

The head of Christ is God 1 Cr 11:3

1 Cr 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

Jesus said, I ascend unto MY Father, and YOUR Father; and to MY God, and YOUR God. John 20:17

God the Father speaking to Jesus Christ, addressing him as God here (see also shown in Heb 1:8)

Psalm 45:6 Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Psalm 45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore GOD, THY GOD, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

1 Cr 15:7 For he (God, the Father) hath put all things under his (the Son's) feet. But when he (God, the Father) saith all things are put under him (the Son) it is manifest that he (God, the Father) is excepted, which did put all things under him (the Son).

With all these things acknowledged to be true, it says God (His God and Father) made Jesus both Lord and Christ

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

So he is the Christ, the Son of the living God (Mat 16:16)

And His God (and our God, as he has told us) hath made Jesus both Lord and Christ

Our profession is that Jesus is the Christ the Son of the living God (Mat 16:16, John 6:69) and that is given us by the Father concerning His Son Jesus Christ (Mat 16:17)

As Paul says,

1 Cr 8:1 BUT TO US there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Rom 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh

Rom 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Jesus ascended after his resurrection

Psalm 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD (God, the Father) said unto my Lord (His Son/Jesus Christ), Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Phil 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I also like how these are laid out concerning denying that Jesus is the Christ

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

How denying the Son its central to either not having the Father or having the Father also

1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:
(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

There is obviously a mystery between them as Paul speaking of preaching the unsearchable riches of Christ among the Gentiles, saying

Ephes 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ

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Did you know that in the Christian Scriptures it is said that Jesus is a servant of God?

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. (...) 26 God, after raising up his Servant, sent him to you first to bless you by turning each one of you away from your wicked deeds.”

... 4:27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, (...) 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur through the name of your holy servant Jesus.
 
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Did you know that in the Christian Scriptures it is said that Jesus is a servant of God?

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham and of Isaac and of Jacob, the God of our forefathers, has glorified his Servant, Jesus, whom you handed over and disowned before Pilate, even though he had decided to release him. (...) 26 God, after raising up his Servant, sent him to you first to bless you by turning each one of you away from your wicked deeds.”

... 4:27 For truly both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of the nations and with peoples of Israel were gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed, (...) 30 while you stretch out your hand for healing and while signs and wonders occur through the name of your holy servant Jesus.
Says here also

Hebrews 53:11

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
 
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