Jesus Christ The Great I AM
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Indeed, sadly some just cannot grasp this great truth. If anyone were to read Exodus chapter 3, they will see that the Person Who spoke with Moses out of the Buring Bush, is identified as "the Angel of the Lord", Who is also here called God, YHWH, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and I AM. Malachi 3:1, tells us that Jesus Christ is this "Angel of the Lord", Who is also YHWH.
ChristisGod
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Did the Jews say "For a good work we stone you not; but for blasphemy; and because that you, being a man, make yourself God " ? No. Had the writer of this post read verse 34 carefully, it could be seen that Jesus responded to their accusation by quoting from Psalms 82:1, whereby the apostate judges of Israel were called "gods" and not God.
So, the Jews were accusing Jesus of "making yourself a god", not "the God" or God Almighty, for John 10:33-36 accurately reads: "The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? If he called ‘gods’ (or apostate judges of ancient Israel) those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified—do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘ You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"(New World Translation)
So, Jesus cleared up any misconception that he was "God", by plainly telling the Jews that he was "God's Son", not God. Now, why is it that hardly no one does any serious reading or research into what the Bible really teaches ?
Because of what the apostle Paul wrote to the Christian Thessalonians, when speaking of "the man of lawlessness" or religious leaders of Christendom, who "sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god" (the King James Bible reads at the end: "showing himself to be God" rather than "a god", again being inaccurate), so that "the lawless one’s presence (or the time from the 4th century C.E. when a clergy class had developed and has had a powerful sway over the common people, keeping them in spiritual "darkness") is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. That is why God lets (or allows) a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."(2 Thess 2:4, 9-12, New World Translation)
And then at John 5:18, biased readers do not reason on that verse, but rather are looking for anything they can find to support the "Holy Trinity", which the Bible does not support. For example, the Jews accused Jesus of "breaking the Sabbath", but did Jesus break the Sabbath ? No.
But in the minds of the Jews, he did, so what other accusation that the Jews made was wrong ? That "not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God." It was the Jews, not Jesus, who said that by "calling God his own Father, (Jesus made) himself equal to God", that was a lie.(see John 7:16, 17; 8:28, 29; 14:1, 28; 17:3; 1 Cor 8:6; Rev 3:14)
So again, hardly anyone does any serious reading or research or reasons on what the Bible really teaches, just repeating the same old falsehoods that have been perpetrated for centuries, continuing to allow "a deluding influence mislead them."
So, the Jews were accusing Jesus of "making yourself a god", not "the God" or God Almighty, for John 10:33-36 accurately reads: "The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy; for you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “You are gods”’? If he called ‘gods’ (or apostate judges of ancient Israel) those against whom the word of God came—and yet the scripture cannot be nullified—do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘ You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"(New World Translation)
So, Jesus cleared up any misconception that he was "God", by plainly telling the Jews that he was "God's Son", not God. Now, why is it that hardly no one does any serious reading or research into what the Bible really teaches ?
Because of what the apostle Paul wrote to the Christian Thessalonians, when speaking of "the man of lawlessness" or religious leaders of Christendom, who "sits down in the temple of God, publicly showing himself to be a god" (the King James Bible reads at the end: "showing himself to be God" rather than "a god", again being inaccurate), so that "the lawless one’s presence (or the time from the 4th century C.E. when a clergy class had developed and has had a powerful sway over the common people, keeping them in spiritual "darkness") is by the operation of Satan with every powerful work and lying signs and wonders and every unrighteous deception for those who are perishing, as a retribution because they did not accept the love of the truth in order that they might be saved. That is why God lets (or allows) a deluding influence mislead them so that they may come to believe the lie, in order that they all may be judged because they did not believe the truth but took pleasure in unrighteousness."(2 Thess 2:4, 9-12, New World Translation)
And then at John 5:18, biased readers do not reason on that verse, but rather are looking for anything they can find to support the "Holy Trinity", which the Bible does not support. For example, the Jews accused Jesus of "breaking the Sabbath", but did Jesus break the Sabbath ? No.
But in the minds of the Jews, he did, so what other accusation that the Jews made was wrong ? That "not only was he breaking the Sabbath but he was also calling God his own Father, making himself equal to God." It was the Jews, not Jesus, who said that by "calling God his own Father, (Jesus made) himself equal to God", that was a lie.(see John 7:16, 17; 8:28, 29; 14:1, 28; 17:3; 1 Cor 8:6; Rev 3:14)
So again, hardly anyone does any serious reading or research or reasons on what the Bible really teaches, just repeating the same old falsehoods that have been perpetrated for centuries, continuing to allow "a deluding influence mislead them."
Michiah-Imla
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I do not grasp things that scripture does not explicitly state. This would be grasping at vanity and doctrines of men.
Neither should anyone else.
This is precisely why such division exists these days among Bible believers; Divisions caused by those who take neutral and passive things in scripture and make them issues worth dividing over and to make heretics out of others.
Here is one clear one for you, and any other doubters that Jesus Christ IS YHWH, that is, Almighty God.
In 1 Corinthians 10:9, Paul says of Jesus Christ, "We must not put Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents". Paul was here referring to the incident as recorded in Numbers 21, where we read, "And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So YHWH sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died." (verses 5-6)
Do you see the clear reference here by Paul, to this passage in Numbers, where it is YHWH Who sent the "fiery serpents", and Paul says that this YHWH is no other than Jesus Christ! Very clear if you will only accept what the Bible says.
101G
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Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
THIS IS JESUS THE SON. who is the Holy Ghost/Counsellor, and who is the Father/The everlasting Father, all three Epithet of God in one Scripture.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
THIS IS JESUS THE SON. who is the Holy Ghost/Counsellor, and who is the Father/The everlasting Father, all three Epithet of God in one Scripture.
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
101G
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CORRECT,
1 Corinthians 10:4 "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ."
well who is the ROCK? see Deuteronomy 32:3 & 4
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Michiah-Imla
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I do not question this assertion, but neither do I proclaim it confidently, nor make it a paramount issue in regards to fellowship or the salvation of others; because the scriptures do not.
And you cannot prove otherwise out of the scriptures.
101G
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there are so many reference to JESUS as GOD, in the OT, but as the Ordinal First who is LORD.
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
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101G
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may I ask you this, is this the same one person? ... John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
is this the same person in both of the above scripture? yes or no.
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Michiah-Imla
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101G
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John 14:1 "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." and is not God the SAVIOUR? ... (see Isaiah 35:4)
now how about that John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24. not just "deity", but PERSON.
PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
what exactly is your problem in accepting what the Bibles DOES say about Jesus Christ? I have presented texts that are very clear, and you still refuse to accept them?
101G
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No I'M saying that JESUS is the Father and Son in Ordinal.......
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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"
101G
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let me make myself clear, there is only one PERSON, your use of "Father" is not a person, nor "Son", which are titles, of the ONLY person in the Godhead. so the PERSON Jesus is God who holds the title Father, and the Title son.
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