It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

[Mungo]

Mary as Tabernacle & Ark

The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. (Lk 1:35)
The Greek word for overshadow (the power of the Most High will overshadow you) is episkiazein, which is the same word used in ancient Greek translations of the OT to describe the cloud of God overshadowing the tabernacle at Mount Sinai (e.g. Ex 40:35 ). So Gabriel is indicating that Mary will be a new tabernacle, a new vessel of God’s holy presence

Her womb is made a sacred vessel, a new Ark of the (new) Covenant.

The Shenikah cloud only rested above the Ark. How much more holy was the womb of Mary where God himself was present for nine months.

Her being ever-virgin speaks about the uniqueness of Christ.

The original Ark was made of wood plated with pure gold, representing the holiness of God. It was kept in the Holy of Holies. The high priest could only enter the Holy of Holies once a year.

Sacred vessels are not to be profaned (put to ordinary use). Daniel 5 describes what happens to those who profane sacred vessels – the king, Belshazzar, was slain that very night and his kingdom overthrown by the Medes and Persians.

When Uzzah touched the Ark he was struck dead (1Sam 6:6)

Denying the ever-virginity of Mary subtly denies the divinity of Christ in the womb.

It would not be fitting that the womb that was made so holy by the actual presence of God could be used to bring sinners into the world as other children would have been. What has been consecrated to God should not be profaned. The old Ark of the Covenant was sacred and could not be used for anything else. So too Mary as the Ark of the New Covenant would have been defiled by bearing another child in her womb.

 

[Mungo]

[SIZE=11pt]Mary as [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]Temple[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]In a typological sense Mary is also a [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]Temple[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] of [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]God[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] since she bore Christ who is the sacrifice.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Then he brought me back to the outer gate of the sanctuary, which faces east; and it was shut. The LORD said to me: This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the LORD, the God of Israel, has entered by it;[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] (Ez 44:1,2). [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Whilst Ezekial’s vision was for him a vision of the restoration of the [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]Temple[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] in [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]Jerusalem[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt], it was also a prophecy applicable here. Mary’s womb is the gate by which God incarnate entered into our world and the entrance to her womb (the gate) must remain shut for the Lord, the God of Israel, had entered by it.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]The early Fathers made these connections as they pondered on scripture and the revelation that had been passed on to them.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Who is this gate (Ezekiel 44:1-4), if not Mary? Is it not closed because she is a virgin? Mary is the gate through which Christ entered this world, when He was brought forth in the virginal birth and the manner of His birth did not break the seals of virginity."
([/SIZE]St. Ambrose of [SIZE=11pt]Milan[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt], The Consecration of a Virgin and the Perpetual Virginity of Mary 391 AD)

Jesus, as God does not break the virginal seals: in such wise he exits the womb as He entered through the ear; thus He was born, as He was conceived: without passion He entered, without corruption He exited, according to the prophet Ezekiel who says: ’This gate will remain closed.’
(St. Proclus, Homily 1 on the Mother of God, 431 AD)


"It is written (Ezekiel 44, 2): ‘This gate shall be shut, it shall not be opened, and no man shall pass through it. Because the Lord the God of Israel hath entered in by it...’ What means this closed gate in the house of the Lord, except that Mary is to be ever inviolate? What does it mean that ‘no man shall pass through it,’ save that Joseph shall not know her? And what is this - ‘The Lord alone enters in and goeth out by it,’ except that the Holy Ghost shall impregnate her, and that the Lord of Angels shall be born of her? And what means this - ‘It shall be shut for evermore,’ but that Mary is a Virgin before His birth, a Virgin in His birth, and a Virgin after His birth." [/SIZE]
([SIZE=11pt]St. Augustine[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt] of Hippo, De Annunt. Dom. Iii circa 430 AD)


“One calls her the closed Gate set at the East, that lets in the King with the doors shut tight at the East because the true light that enlightens every man coming into the world, went forth from the womb, as from a royal bride-chamber.”
(Hesychius, Sermon 5, 5th century)[/SIZE]

 

[Mungo]

[SIZE=11pt]Mary as Bride and Church[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]When Mary said “yes” to God she entered into full communion with God, body and soul. In that sense she represents to Church as the bride of God. She becomes “one flesh” with God because she bears God in her womb, just as man and wife become “one flesh”. Therefore to give herself to another would be a form of adultery. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Isaiah prophesied (Is 62:4-5)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]No more shall men call you “Forsaken,”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]or your land “Desolate,”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]But you shall be called “My Delight,”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]and your land “Espoused.”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]For the Lord delights in you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]and makes your land his spouse.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]As a young man marries a virgin,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]your Builder shall marry you;[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]And as a bridegroom rejoices in his bride[/SIZE]
[SIZE=11pt]so shall your God rejoice in you[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]Here we can see references to Mary’s virginal motherhood, her mystical marriage to God who is at the same time her Father, her Son and her Spouse.[/SIZE]

 

[Mungo]

[SIZE=11pt]One Son[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]An important argument from a theological perspective is that always, when a birth is announced by an angel of a son, it is a matter of an only son.[/SIZE]

• [SIZE=11pt]Isaac (Gen [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]18:10[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt])[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=11pt]Samson (Judges 13:4)[/SIZE]
• [SIZE=11pt]John the Baptist (Lk [/SIZE][SIZE=11pt]1:13[/SIZE][SIZE=11pt])[/SIZE]

[SIZE=11pt]If these were figures of the Messiah, it would be illogical that they would be only sons, and the one represented by them were not like them.[/SIZE]

 

[Mungo]

You're the one that said that (Matt.1:25) doesn't mean what it says. Which can only mean it says Mary had sex and children after the virgin birth of Christ.

Stranger

No, I didn't say that at all.

 

[Mungo]

Im talking to you. Are you saying your answers are inadequate? To which I would agree.

You didn't answer my question. Was Mary a sinner?

Stranger

Never the less you did not reply to kepha's post. I think we can assume that you couldn't

 

[Mungo]

You didn't answer my question. Was Mary a sinner?

Stranger

No, Mary was not a sinner. She committed no personal sin.

But you only asked that to divert the topic onto something else.

 

[Stranger]

No, Mary was not a sinner. She committed no personal sin.

But you only asked that to divert the topic onto something else.

No, you accused me of blasphemy concerning what is said about Mary. And I am proving it isn't blasphemy because the Roman church raises Mary to worship status. Yet all the while, denying that they worship Mary.

So, we have a sinless Mary. Which is never stated in Scripture. We have Mary who is a perpetual virgin. Which is not stated in Scripture.

Did Mary die?

Stranger

 

[Mungo]

No, you accused me of blasphemy concerning what is said about Mary. And I am proving it isn't blasphemy because the Roman church raises Mary to worship status. Yet all the while, denying that they worship Mary.

So, we have a sinless Mary. Which is never stated in Scripture. We have Mary who is a perpetual virgin. Which is not stated in Scripture.

Did Mary die?

Stranger

You see you are diverting.

 

[Stranger]

Never the less you did not reply to kepha's post. I think we can assume that you couldn't

Assume whatever you like.

Stranger

 

[Mungo]

Assume whatever you like.

Stranger

Thank you. You are most gracious.

 

[Stranger]

You see you are diverting.

You brought blasphemy up. I'm responding to it. Because you refuse to answer, one can only assume that you believe Mary didn't die. Is that true?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Mungo

Having trouble. I see your are in the burying mode.

Stranger

 

[Mungo]

You brought blasphemy up. I'm responding to it. Because you refuse to answer, one can only assume that you believe Mary didn't die. Is that true?

Stranger

You said:
Mary's perpetual virginity is for the Romanist to be able to worship Mary as we worship Christ.

To which I responded:
That is a disgraceful statement which accuses Catholics of blasphemy.

Nothing to do with whether Mary was a sinner or not.

Nothing to do with whether Mary died or not

You are just diverting.

 

[Mungo]

Mungo

Having trouble. I see your are in the burying mode.

Stranger

??? Perhaps you should give up the magic mushrooms!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Read again. "My mothers children" (Ps.69:8)

Stranger

This refers to ISRAEL, who rejected Him.
Besides - if we are to believe that James, Bishop of Jerusalem was Jesus's uterine brother - then you cannot use Psalm 69:8.

No matter how much you try to fit this square peg into a round hole - it won't work.

 

[Stranger]

You said:
Mary's perpetual virginity is for the Romanist to be able to worship Mary as we worship Christ.

To which I responded:
That is a disgraceful statement which accuses Catholics of blasphemy.

Nothing to do with whether Mary was a sinner or not.

Nothing to do with whether Mary died or not

You are just diverting.

What I said is a true statement. It's not blasphemy if it's true. Thus, as I have shown, there is no perpetual virginity of Mary in the Bible. Only in Rome. Which can only mean it is blasphemy to believe such.

And whether Mary is a sinner or not is important because it shows again the length the Roman church will go to, to raise Mary to worship status.

So did Mary die?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

This refers to ISRAEL, who rejected Him.
Besides - if we are to believe that James, Bishop of Jerusalem was Jesus's uterine brother - then you cannot use Psalm 69:8.

No matter how much you try to fit this square peg into a round hole - it won't work.

Israel is not the Mother of the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

Explain your statement concerning James.

Stranger

 

[Mungo]

What I said is a true statement. It's not blasphemy if it's true. Thus, as I have shown, there is no perpetual virginity of Mary in the Bible. Only in Rome. Which can only mean it is blasphemy to believe such.

And whether Mary is a sinner or is important because it shows again the length the Roman church will go to, to raise Mary to worship status.

So did Mary die?

Stranger

Actually the truth is that you have failed to disprove our evidence of the perpetual virginity of Mary; indeed you have avoided it..

And I'm not following your rabbit trails.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, you accused me of blasphemy concerning what is said about Mary. And I am proving it isn't blasphemy because the Roman church raises Mary to worship status. Yet all the while, denying that they worship Mary.

So, we have a sinless Mary. Which is never stated in Scripture. We have Mary who is a perpetual virgin. Which is not stated in Scripture.

Did Mary die?

Stranger

And this is just another angry, ignorant rant.
We don't "worship" Mary and you know it. That is simply a lie of your own concoction.

As for Mary's sinlessness NOT being in Scripture - I have educated you on this many times before.
Luke 1:28 calls her "Kecharitomene." Here we have Scriptural proof of her sinlessness.

Your move . . .