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WRONG again.Well BoL...
I haven't lost it yet...
because giving communion to one in mortal sin is going against a DOGMA,,,not even a doctrine.
And I guess I'm going to have to educate you as to HOW.
All those "docs" you posted spoke about DISCIPLINE....
but how did they SHOW THAT what Pope Francis did is a change in DICSIPLINE??
As I've stated MANY TIMES NOW....
IF it was a change in discipline...WHY ALL THE OUTRAGE?
Here's why....because he's making a change in DOGMA.
As we shall soon see
1. What is a dogma?
A dogma of the Catholic Church is defined as "a truth revealed by God, which the magisterium of the Church declared as binding."[1] The Catechism of the Catholic Church states:
The Church's Magisteriumasserts that it exercises the authority it holds from Christ to the fullest extent when it defines dogmas, that is, when it proposes, in a form obliging Catholics to an irrevocable adherence of faith, truths contained in divine Revelation or also when it proposes, in a definitive way, truths having a necessary connection with these.[2]
The Holy Scripture is not identical with divine revelation, but a part of it.[7] Scriptures were written later by apostles and evangelists, who knew Jesus. They give inerrant testimony of his teachings.[7] "Therefore both sacred tradition and Sacred Scripture are to be accepted and venerated with the same sense of loyalty and reverence."[8] Truths formally and explicitly revealed by God are certainly dogmas in the strict sense when they are proposed or defined by the Church. Such are the articles of the Apostles' Creed.[9]
The Catholic position is that the content of a dogma has a divine origin. It is considered to be an expression of an objective truth that does not change.[10] The truth of God, revealed by God, does not change, as God himself does not change; "Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away".[11]
source: Dogma in the Catholic Church - Wikipedia
and also my post no. 139 ---- to which you never did reply.
2. How do we know the church teaching that one cannot receive communion, which is the body and blood of Christ, in mortal sin a dogma?
Basically, because this is a teaching that CANNOT CHANGE.
But let's see why...
The Catholic Church has issued a LIST of DOGMA.
We start with no. 186, 187 and 189
We learn from the above that communion is the receiving of the body and blood of Christ. He is truly present in the Eucharist. The Eucharist is sacred and the above dogma does not change and cannot change.
- 186The Body and Blood of Jesus Christ are truly, really and substantially present in the Eucharist.
- 187Christ becomes present in the Sacrament of the Altar by the transformation of the whole substance of the bread into His Body and the whole substance of the wine into His Blood.
- 188The Accidents of bread and wine continue after the change of the substance.
- 189The Body and the Blood of Christ together with His Soul and His Divinity and therefore the Whole Christ are truly present in the Eucharist.
And more...
Nos. 192, 194, 199, 20
The Eucharist is a true sacrament instituted by Christ.
- 192When either consecrated species is divided the Whole Christ is present in each part of the species.
- 194The Eucharist is a true Sacrament instituted by Christ.
- 199The Sacrament of the Eucharist can be validly received by every baptized person in the wayfaring state, including young children.
- 200For the worthy reception of the Eucharist the state of grace as well as the proper and pious disposition are necessary.
The Eucharist can be received by every baptized person in a wayfaring state...incl children.
For the worthy reception of the Eucharist a STATE OF GRACE is necessary.
Again,,,dogma cannot change.
To receive communion one must be in a state of grace. (NOT MORTAL SIN).
What does Catholic Dogma say about marriage?
I'll only post no. 242j and 243
So,,,marriage is instituted by God and we've learned that nothing instituted by God can be changed.
- 242Marriage is a true and proper Sacrament instituted by God.
- 243From the sacramental contract of marriage emerges the Bond of Marriage, which binds both marriage partners to a lifelong indivisible community of life.
The marriage partners are bound in a life-long community of life.
The above can be found here,,,along with about 250 other dogma of the catholic church.
SEPTEMBER 19, 2015 BY JONATHAN BYRD
A List Of The Dogmas Of The Catholic Church
Did you know that there are 255 infallibly declared dogmas of the faith? Most people are not aware of the sheer number of dogmas. In the times in which we live, were truth is under attack, it is good to remind ourselves of the truth that is inherent in the Catholic Church.
A List Of The Dogmas Of The Catholic Church
Now, if you cannot determine from the above that giving communion to a person IN MORTAL SIN....is a grave change to the dogma of the Catholic church.
then I really don't know what will convince you.
As I've tried repeatedly to explain to you...
telling a person they cannot eat before receiving communion is a discipline...
telling a person they can receive communion IN A STATE OF MORTAL SIN is a CHANGE
to the DOGMA of the Catholic Church.
And the above...BoL...is why there was such an outcry in the church when Pope Francis wrote that persons remarried can receive communion.
Who gets to receive Communion is NOT a matter of Dogma – but DISCIPLINE.
NOWHERE does the Church teach that this is Dogma. Again, you are conflating Mortal sin with the Eucharist. The two are Apples and Oranges.
Mortal sin IS a doctrinal matter and may be a CAUSE for not being able to receive but it is NOT on the same level as a discipline. The circumstances of Mortal sin will NEVER change – but disciplines CAN and DO change.
It has been explained to you so many times that at this point, you’re just arguing to cover your tracks because you just don’t like being wrong . . ..