IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?

[GodsGrace]

This is why they routinely quote 6:44 and not 12:32. Those who do not accept dispensations likewise have trouble with this one. The simple fact is that something changed. At the cross.

Much love!

How about this:

God Father draws everyone.
God's grace is for all His creation...not just some lucky special persons.
The good news of the gospel is for everyone...John 3:16
The rain falls on the just and the unjust....
The good news falls on the just and the unjust.
John 6:44
44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him;

All those that accept the gift of salvation are delivered
to The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
Jesus will teach all that come to Him HOW to live a life worthy of God.
John 12:32 Jesus, after the cross as you've stated, will draw all men to Himself.
and
John 6:37
37“All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out.

So the Father gives enough grace to all for acceptance of the gospel.
He gives those that accept to Jesus.
Jesus does not cast them out
but draws them to Himself for teaching and for salvation.

 

[GodsGrace]

Inward working power, we are drawn to Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, wether that be inwardly or outwardly, imo,.....God is a Spirit his Love has no bounds.

He made Adam from the dust of the ground, would you say that was by an inward power or outward power....just my thoughts Brother.......lol.
Short commentary.
In addition to the outward call, there is the inward call. In theological terms, this is known as “effectual calling.” It is the internal call by which God calls His elect to Himself through the power of the Holy Spirit, changing the disposition of their hearts through regeneration.

Could you post some scripture regarding the inward call and the outward call?

I don't recall reading about this in the NT.
I also don't recall reading about effectual calling.

I do know that John Calvin spoke of these topics, but since I don't believe Calvinism is biblical,
perhaps you could post some scripture?

Also, you state that God changes the DISPOSITION of the heart through regeneration.
This sounds like the idea that FIRST a person is born again AND THEN that person receives faith.

Perhaps you could post a few verses stating that salvation comes before faith?

 

[Ritajanice]

Could you post some scripture regarding the inward call and the outward call?

I don't recall reading about this in the NT.
I also don't recall reading about effectual calling.



I do know that John Calvin spoke of these topics, but since I don't believe Calvinism is biblical,
perhaps you could post some scripture?


Again m I already have, as have a few others, you keep rejecting those said scriptures.

Also, you state that God changes the DISPOSITION of the heart through regeneration.
This sounds like the idea that FIRST a person is born again AND THEN that person receives faith.

We receive a new heart/ spirit within , when we become Born Again?

What are we Born Of?

Perhaps you could post a few verses stating that salvation comes before faith?

I already have many times, you keep rejecting them I’m afraid.

Could you post some scripture regarding the inward call and the outward call?

I don't recall reading about this in the NT.
I also don't recall reading about effectual calling.



I do know that John Calvin spoke of these topics, but since I don't believe Calvinism is biblical,
perhaps you could post some scripture?


Again m I already have, as have a few others, you keep rejecting those said scriptures.

Also, you state that God changes the DISPOSITION of the heart through regeneration.
This sounds like the idea that FIRST a person is born again AND THEN that person receives faith.

We receive a new heart/ spirit within , when we become Born Again?

What are we Born Of?

Perhaps you could post a few verses stating that salvation comes before faith?

 

[Ritajanice]

Please click to expand @GodsGrace ...I can’t seem to quote your post like I used to.

 

[Ritajanice]

@GodsGrace

It is quite clear, therefore, that here, as in 1 Corinthians 1:24, the word kletois (those "who have been called") refers to effectual calling: those in whom God by his Holy Spirit has effectually brought about new life, thus enabling these hearers to respond believingly to the gospel call.


We are Born Again, by the power of Gods Spirit....unfortunately if you don’t understand what that means in your heart/ spirit, which comes by divine revelation...Born Of God’s seed?

Then only God can bring it to your understanding by divine revelation.

Short commentary.

What is the difference between the inward call and the outward call?
Here a distinction is made with the Holy Spirit's “outward call” (preaching of the Gospel) that goes to all (elect and non-elect). It is only this “outward call” that can be rejected by sinners, whereas the “inward call” (or “effectual call”) of the Holy Spirit's saving grace cannot be rejected (e.g “irresistible”).

No one can reject becoming Born Again...my belief 100%....

Once Born Again, we have the God given faith to believe in our hearts/spirit.....we can then walk in faith....your spirit must be Born Again by divine revelation...my opinion/ testimony/ belief.

If we have no God given faith, then we can only lead ourselves through the word.

Born Again, we then have the Holy Spirit in our spirit, who can only bring the word of God to our understanding....hence Born Of The Spirit.

Scott Downey ,explains it well, here below.

Your faith is also the gift of God.
But this faith when given to you becomes your faith
Faith is one of the fruits of God's Holy Spirit who is at work in you.
Your ability to believe, God has granted to you, which is why you believe, He has given to all believers their measure of faith.

God's grace towards you supplied you with His gift of your faith. You just cannot believe on your own in Christ. The Holy Spirit taught your spirit to believe in Christ
John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

And all here means all those who believed in Christ, God taught them that, not that all are taught

Romans 12. faith is a spiritual gift come from God.
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.



So true, Brother, Amen!

 

[GodsGrace]

I already have many times, you keep rejecting them I’m afraid.

Yes. It's difficult to come up with verses that actually MEAN SOMETHING...
instead of the verse salad you offer up.

And
The reason your verses are rejected is because you do NOT understand them and they do not mean
what you think they mean.

This is because calvinism is not found in the bible and the concept is man-made and unbiblical.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace

It is quite clear, therefore, that here, as in 1 Corinthians 1:24, the word kletois (those "who have been called") refers to effectual calling: those in whom God by his Holy Spirit has effectually brought about new life, thus enabling these hearers to respond believingly to the gospel call.


We are Born Again, by the power of Gods Spirit....unfortunately if you don’t understand what that means in your heart/ spirit, which comes by divine revelation...Born Of God’s seed?

Then only God can bring it to your understanding by divine revelation.

Short commentary.

What is the difference between the inward call and the outward call?
Here a distinction is made with the Holy Spirit's “outward call” (preaching of the Gospel) that goes to all (elect and non-elect). It is only this “outward call” that can be rejected by sinners, whereas the “inward call” (or “effectual call”) of the Holy Spirit's saving grace cannot be rejected (e.g “irresistible”).

No one can reject becoming Born Again...my belief 100%....

Once Born Again, we have the God given faith to believe in our hearts/spirit.....we can then walk in faith....your spirit must be Born Again by divine revelation...my opinion/ testimony/ belief.

If we have no God given faith, then we can only lead ourselves through the word.

Born Again, we then have the Holy Spirit in our spirit, who can only bring the word of God to our understanding....hence Born Of The Spirit.

Scott Downey ,explains it well, here below.

Your faith is also the gift of God.
But this faith when given to you becomes your faith
Faith is one of the fruits of God's Holy Spirit who is at work in you.
Your ability to believe, God has granted to you, which is why you believe, He has given to all believers their measure of faith.

God's grace towards you supplied you with His gift of your faith. You just cannot believe on your own in Christ. The Holy Spirit taught your spirit to believe in Christ
John 6:45
It is written in the prophets, ‘And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me.

And all here means all those who believed in Christ, God taught them that, not that all are taught

Romans 12. faith is a spiritual gift come from God.
3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.



So true, Brother, Amen!

The above does not sound like your writing.
So should I post a reply to you....
or should I go look for some reply that I like on the internet and then post it?

And what does your verse have to do with an inward call or an outward call?
Nothing.

 

[Ritajanice]

Proverbs 21:23: "Those who guard their mouths and their tongues keep themselves from calamity." Ephesians 4:29: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen."

 

[Ritajanice]

Spiritual Wisdom
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God [c]ordained before the ages for our glory, 8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

9 But as it is written:

“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”

10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.

13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the [d]Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ