IS THE REFORMED FAITH BIBLICAL?

[Lambano]

I think you are trying to wind me up, LOL..I may be wrong...LOL...God Bless You, Brother in Christ.

What I'm doing is asking questions to lead you to be able to explain (in terms I can understand) what you believe and why you believe it. And maybe get to a point where you understand me. If you're getting a little wound up, I'll back off for a while. Okay?

 

[St. SteVen]

Can you explain what that means.

If you have Jesus, thanks.

I was surprised to hear (read) that question from you.
Surely you didn't ask it because you don't know what "If you have Jesus" means.
Unless you were questioning the word "if". ???

So, I conclude that you want to hear it from me. What does it mean to me. (to have Jesus) ???

To "have Jesus", if you do, means you have invited Him into your life at the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
It means to put your total trust in Him when all else fails. They could blow the planet out from under your feet,
but if you have Jesus, you STILL have everything. That's all that we need. Nothing else. Nothing else.

When I received my cancer diagnosis, I was not fearful. I rejected the offered "death sentence",
even though the tests put me at high-risk. ---

I still had to complete months of treatment. Not to mention six months unemployed.
And live with the damage of the "successful" life-saving treatment. (and the post-treatment treatment)
No surprise to me, the post-treatment tests reveal that the cancer is dead. (my read)
What the medical industry calls being "in remission". Which assumes it will return. But...
If you have Jesus, you have everything.

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him... - Job 13:15 KJV

Any questions?

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[Ritajanice]

What I'm doing is asking questions to lead you to be able to explain (in terms I can understand) what you believe and why you believe it. And maybe get to a point where you understand me. If you're getting a little wound up, I'll back off for a while. Okay?

No, I’m not wound up, I was funning you.

I understand what you are saying.....let’s pray about it and ask the Lord to bring us to a mutual understanding....it’s not a problem if we don’t understand one another....imo anyway...I don’t fret over not understanding another member....not now anyway, I used to , I thought I was going round the bend...that was until God took me aside and whispered in my ear.....he always puts my heart and mind at rest....when I look to him...and stop looking to myself.

 

[Ritajanice]

I was surprised to hear (read) that question from you.

Ok.

Surely you didn't ask it because you don't know what "If you have Jesus" means.
Unless you were questioning the word "if". ???

How do we know we have Jesus, that was all, just a simple question?

How would I know I have Jesus, just by reading the Bible?

Where else would I have Jesus?...In me that is?

So, I conclude that you want to hear it from me. What does it mean to me. (to have Jesus) ???

Yes please. thank you.

To "have Jesus", if you do, means you have invited Him into your life at the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
It means to put your total trust in Him when all else fails. They could blow the planet out from under your feet,
but if you have Jesus, you STILL have everything. That's all that we need. Nothing else. Nothing else.

What does inviting him into your life mean?

Is inviting him into our life biblical?

Sorry, if you feel I’m being a pain, I love to read word for word...I can’t find “ inviting Jesus into my life in scripture “.


I would love to see that scripture?

I can’t find it, I have tried, maybe someone else can find it for me?

When I received my cancer diagnosis, I was not fearful. I rejected the offered "death sentence",
even though the tests put me at high-risk. ---

I still had to complete months of treatment. Not to mention six months unemployed.
And live with the damage of the "successful" life-saving treatment. (and the post-treatment treatment)
No surprise to me, the post-treatment tests reveal that the cancer is dead. (my read)
What the medical industry calls being "in remission". Which assumes it will return. But...
If you have Jesus, you have everything.

Though he slay me, yet will I trust in him... - Job 13:15 KJV

Any questions?

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Please see above...

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
How can using Bible verses to support a doctrine make it unbiblical?

Just as he says, because we can take them completely out of context...then make the scripture say what we want it to say.

He was right in that instance,imo.

Still... using scripture out-of-context is STILL using scripture, which makes it biblical.

It's about definitions, I suppose.

- Biblical = supported by scripture (whether in context or out-of-context)
- Unbiblical = NOT supported by scripture (an apologetic without biblical support)

If we don't abide by these definitions, we are left with a serious problem. IMHO

Who determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view) No consensus.

See my post #295

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[Ritajanice]

What I'm doing is asking questions to lead you to be able to explain (in terms I can understand) what you believe and why you believe it

I believe what I believe, because it came by divine revelation...that’s the best way I can explain what I believe.

Divine revelation means when the Spirit speaks / testifies directly to one’s heart/ spirit.

 

[Ritajanice]

St. SteVen said:
How can using Bible verses to support a doctrine make it unbiblical?

Still... using scripture out-of-context is STILL using scripture, which makes it biblical.

It's about definitions, I suppose.

- Biblical = supported by scripture (whether in context or out-of-context)
- Unbiblical = NOT supported by scripture (an apologetic without biblical support)

If we don't abide by these definitions, we are left with a serious problem. IMHO

Who determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view) No consensus.

See my post #295

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Ok...well thanks for voicing your opinion....as you see further up.. .I voiced my opinion also.

I don’t need to add anymore to my opinion that I posted further up.hope that settles it.

 

[Lambano]

What does inviting him into your life mean?

Is inviting him into our life biblical?

I would love to see that scripture?

Why, yes. Yes it is. The scripture is John 1:12

He came to His own, and His own people did not accept Him. But as many as ἔλαβον Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

The Greek word I highlighted means, in the context of human relationships (which the surrounding verses make clear is the context), means "to receive a person, give him access to one's self". Which is pretty much what "inviting Him into our life" is.

Oh, and the Greek word is "Lambano".

 

[St. SteVen]

What does inviting him into your life mean?

Is inviting him into our life biblical?

Sorry, if you feel I’m being a pain, I love to read word for word...I can’t find “ inviting Jesus into my life in scripture “.


I would love to see that scripture?

I can’t find it, I have tried, maybe someone else can find it for me?

Is this what you fine folks mean by biblical? It has to match YOUR exact words?
I can't help you there.

Here are some "unbiblical" (by your definition) evangelical apologetics.

John 1:11-13 NIV
He came to that which was his own, but his own did not receive him.
12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name,
he gave the right to become children of God—
13 children born not of natural descent,
nor of human decision or a husband’s will, but born of God.

Revelation 3:20 NIV
Here I am! I stand at the door and knock.
If anyone hears my voice and opens the door,
I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.

2 Corinthians 1:21-22 NIV
Now it is God who makes both us and you stand firm in Christ. He anointed us,
22 set his seal of ownership on us, and put his Spirit in our hearts as a deposit,
guaranteeing what is to come.

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[Ritajanice]

Why, yes. Yes it is. The scripture is John 1:12

He came to His own, and His own people did not accept Him. But as many as ἔλαβον Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God. (John 1:11-13)

So, those he gave the right to become children of God...we’re by HIS will @Lambano ...

What do you make of that?

The Greek word I highlighted means, in the context of human relationships (which the surrounding verses make clear is the context), means "to receive a person, give him access to one's self". Which is pretty much what "inviting Him into our life" is.

Oh, and the Greek word is "Lambano".

Nowhere in that scripture does it read.

Inviting Jesus into my heart.

 

[Lambano]

I believe what I believe, because it came by divine revelation...that’s the best way I can explain what I believe.

Since I don't have access to your innermost self, I have no way of verifying that claim. So, I'll have to ask leading questions. I hope you understand that.

 

[St. SteVen]

I don’t need to add anymore to my opinion that I posted further up.hope that settles it.

I see. You are happy to accuse me of being "unbiblical" and not "knowing Jesus". You'll just leave it at that?
Don't forget to knock the dust off your sandals as you walk away. (Grr...)

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[Johann]

St. SteVen said:
How can using Bible verses to support a doctrine make it unbiblical?

I agree. But therein hides another problem.

Who determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)

AND...

While I disagree with "Proof-texting", it is still biblical. (not unbiblical)

"Proof-texting" is driven by BAD apologetics.
Misusing the scriptures to support your own agenda.

"Proof-texting" How To:
1) Choose, or create, a self-serving apologetic.
2) Scour the scriptures to find biblical support.
3) Use it as a weapon to divide the church.
4) Marginalize those who disagree.

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I think I share @BarneyFife's perspective-you come across as a bit unconventional.

Do you hold a diminished view of Scripture? It seems like you're more focused on raising endless questions, and if I'm not mistaken, you also believe in Universalism, right?

Where exactly is that supported in Scripture?

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

Since I don't have access to your innermost self, I have no way of verifying that claim. So, I'll have to ask leading questions. I hope you understand that.

No problem.

The problem is though, the discussion is one sided.

You have answered none of my questions..you keep firing them back to me?

You answer mine and I will continue to answer yours... otherwise there will be no discussion..as it would be a one sided discussion.

Your discussion alone.

 

[Ritajanice]

I see. You are happy to accuse me of being "unbiblical" and not "knowing Jesus". You'll just leave it at that?
Don't forget to knock the dust off your sandals as you walk away. (Grr...)

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I haven’t accused you of it being unbiblical, show me where I said that please?

I certainly said you didn’t know Jesus...that was an assumption on your part.

I asked you, apart from reading the Bible, where else in us do we know Jesus.

If it upsets you that much, I will cease discussion with you....just say the word.

 

[Lambano]

So, those he gave the right to become children of God...we’re by HIS will @Lambano ...

What do you make of that?

Nowhere in that scripture does it read.

Inviting Jesus into my heart.

"Inviting Jesus into my heart" is just a modern colloquialism meaning the same as the biblical "receive".

What do you make of John's flow of thought? FIRST the person receives (lambanos) Jesus. THEN God gives them the right to become children of God.

 

[St. SteVen]

I think I share @BarneyFife's perspective-you come across as a bit unconventional.

I may be in good company. That's what they said about Jesus.

I'm still waiting for a response from you about this question:

Who determines WHAT is "the broader context"? (the whole Bible view)

See my post #295

Do you hold a diminished view of Scripture? It seems like you're more focused on raising endless questions, and if I'm not mistaken, you also believe in Universalism, right?

Diminished, or realistic?
The questions are more important to me than the answers.
Again, in good company.

Luke 10:26 NIV
“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

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[Lambano]

You have answered none of my questions..you keep firing them back to me?

Of course. You asked if I understood what you posted. I'm asking questions meant to draw out what you meant in your posts.

 

[Ritajanice]

"Inviting Jesus into my heart" is just a modern colloquialism meaning the same as the biblical "receive".

What do you make of John's flow of thought? FIRST the person receives (lambanos) Jesus. THEN God gives them the right to become children of God.

Once again Lambano you are taking control of the discussion...here is my question once again to you.

So, those he gave the right to become children of God...we’re by HIS will @Lambano ...

What do you make of that?



Inviting Jesus into our heart is not biblical.

Being Born Again/ Born Of The Spirit/ regenerated is..plus it can only come by divine revelation.which again is biblical.

 

[Ritajanice]

Of course. You asked if I understood what you posted. I'm asking questions meant to draw out what you meant in your posts.

You never answered if you understood my questions.

What I meant in my posts...well, you aren’t understanding them are you?

Meant to draw out what I mean..which means what?

only God can get you to understand his word...I can’t.