Is the first resurrection past already?

[Stewardofthemystery]

Amils keep claiming Jesus is the first resurrection as is mentioned and defined in Rev. 20:4-6 and that resurrection is past already. But what did Paul think about this idea of the first resurrection being past already?

Paul knew Jesus was bodily resurrected already YET Paul did not consider the first resurrection to be past already. In fact Paul warned about this false doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:16-18

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16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Take it from me, the Holy scriptures and Paul the first resurrection of the dead in Christ is not past already.

Blessed are those who believe this Truth. Peace

 

[WPM]

Amils keep claiming Jesus is the first resurrection as is mentioned and defined in Rev. 20:4-6 and that resurrection is past already. But what did Paul think about this idea of the first resurrection being past already?

Paul knew Jesus was bodily resurrected already YET Paul did not consider the first resurrection to be past already. In fact Paul warned about this false doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:16-18​

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16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Take it from me, the Holy scriptures and Paul the first resurrection of the dead in Christ is not past already.

Blessed are those who believe this Truth. Peace

So, Jesus never defeated the grave. That is total heresy. Sad!

Who is "the first that should rise" in Acts 26:23?
Who is "the firstborn from the dead" in Colossians 1:18?
Who is "the firstfruits of them that slept" in 1 Corinthians 15:20?
Who is "first begotten of the dead" in Revelation 1:5?

When you establish this it will help you establish Revelation 20:6 - that is if you believe in letting Scripture interpret Scripture (as Amils do).

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

So, Jesus never defeated the grave. That is total heresy. Sad!

Amils always try to prop up straw man arguments when their lies are exposed.

Paul knew Jesus was bodily resurrected already YET Paul did not consider the first resurrection to be past already. In fact Paul warned about this false doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:16-18​

King James Version​

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Take it from me, the Holy scriptures and Paul the first resurrection of the dead in Christ is not past already.

 

[WPM]

Amils always try to prop up straw man arguments when their lies are exposed.


Paul knew Jesus was bodily resurrected already YET Paul did not consider the first resurrection to be past already. In fact Paul warned about this false doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:16-18​

King James Version​

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Take it from me, the Holy scriptures and Paul the first resurrection of the dead in Christ is not past already.

Where does he mention "the first resurrection" in 2 Timothy 2:16-18? Nowhere. You force it into the text. That is simply in your mind. I quoted the proof that Jesus was "the first resurrection." You reject that. That is heresy!​

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Galatians 1:6-9

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6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Where does he mention "the first resurrection" in 2 Timothy 2:16-18? Nowhere. You force it into the text. That is simply in your mind. I quoted the proof that Jesus was "the first resurrection." You reject that. That is heresy!​

The resurrection Paul is referring to is the first resurrection, as Paul learned from the words of Jesus that the dead in Christ shall rise first to the resurrection of Life.

Luke 20:33-36

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33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

2 John 9-11

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9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

 

[WPM]

The resurrection Paul is referring to is the first resurrection, as Paul learned from the words of Jesus that the dead in Christ shall rise first to the resurrection of Life.

Luke 20:33-36​

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King James Version​

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33 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife of them is she? for seven had her to wife.
34 And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

The word "first" in 1 Thess 4 is just differentiating between the raising of the dead and the living. That is it! The future resurrection is not the first resurrection. There has already been a resurrection. Jesus has already conquered the grave. If you deny that you are a heretic.

 

[rwb]

Amils keep claiming Jesus is the first resurrection as is mentioned and defined in Rev. 20:4-6 and that resurrection is past already. But what did Paul think about this idea of the first resurrection being past already?

Paul knew Jesus was bodily resurrected already YET Paul did not consider the first resurrection to be past already. In fact Paul warned about this false doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:16-18​

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King James Version​

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16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Take it from me, the Holy scriptures and Paul the first resurrection of the dead in Christ is not past already.

Blessed are those who believe this Truth. Peace

Do you think if you repeat the same line of reasoning ad nauseum that will make your false doctrine true?

Paul just a few verses before says, "Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:" If Paul did not believe the first resurrection is past already why does he tell us to remember that Jesus Christ WAS (past tense) raised from the dead? HELLO, do you have reading comprehension difficulties?

Is it not also Paul who says, "That Christ should suffer, and that he should be the first that should rise from the dead, and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles."

It's time for you to move on, you have become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal! Just making noise without knowing how to reason through the Scriptures.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

The word "first" in 1 Thess 4 is just differentiating between the raising of the dead and the living. That is it!

Rev. 20 proves you are wrong, because the first resurrection of the blessed and holy happens a thousand years prior to the rest of the dead being raised after the thousand years is finished.

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

[WPM]

Rev. 20 proves you are wrong, because the first resurrection of the blessed and holy happens a thousand years prior to the rest of the dead being raised after the thousand years is finished.

Revelation 20:5
But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

I refer you back to my last post.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I refer you back to my last post.

I refer you back to the OP.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

If Paul did not believe the first resurrection is past already why does he tell us to remember that Jesus Christ WAS (past tense) raised from the dead?

Paul knew Jesus was bodily resurrected already YET Paul did not consider the first resurrection to be past already. In fact Paul warned about this false doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:16-18​

King James Version​

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Take it from me, the Holy scriptures and Paul the first resurrection of the dead in Christ is not past already.

 

[Ritajanice]

Short commentary...What does 1 Corinthians 15 say about resurrection?
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Short commentary...What does 1 Corinthians 15 say about resurrection?
For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him

The words “when he comes”is talking about the second coming of Christ which has not happened yet.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

Paul knew Jesus was bodily resurrected already YET Paul did not consider the first resurrection to be past already. In fact Paul warned about this false doctrine.

2 Timothy 2:16-18​

King James Version​

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Paul also warned about those deceivers who would pervert and contradict Paul’s own words as well.

Galatians 1:6-9

King James Version​

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any manpreach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

 

[Ritajanice]

Hello @Stewardofthemystery you said.

Paul knew Jesus was bodily resurrected already YET Paul did not consider the first resurrection to be past already. In fact Paul warned about this false doctrine


RJ,He had a body of flesh and bone. And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself! Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have'” (Luke 24:37–39).



I’m just trying to understand ,without the need to argue over it, we’re all learning my friend.

Are you saying that Jesus ascended into heaven, as flesh and bone?

 

[Taken]

Is the first resurrection past already?

A Resurrection denotes A BODY, with it’s soul, with its spirit is Raised up from the Dead.

Resurrections HAVE Occurred throughout History…and continues to this day…(what some call a “near death experience”,) as they are found to have no heart beat, not breathing, then resume a heart beat and breathing.

There are accounts IN Scripture of men being bodily dead, then resurrected…
A few examples;
1 Kings 17….boy dead, resumes living
John 11…Lazarus dead, buried, raised up
Rom 6: 4 ……
1 Cor 15…..Jesus dead, buried, raised up

Others ….Christ’s Church…SHALL Be…collectively raised up together.

However the FIRST Resurrection is Expressly in reference to the end of days of Gods tribulations upon the Earth…for any and all
Soul saved, Spirit quickened to be Raised up in their new body, and all such, to stand before the Judge for their Judgement and Sentence.

No that has not yet happened.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

I’m just trying to understand ,without the need to argue over it, we’re all learning my friend.

Paul knew ( as I do) that Jesus was bodily resurrected. And Paul also knew (as I do) what it means to be born again of the Holy Spirit.

But YET Neither Paul or I believe the first resurrection is past already. So Amil doctrine is false doctrine.

Are you saying that Jesus ascended into heaven, as flesh and bone?

It is written….

Psalm 16:10
For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Acts 2:31
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Acts 13:35
Wherefore he saith also in another psalm, Thou shalt not suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.