In full agreement here, restrict those who can't control the way they interact and the way they talk.
This is a sad day, members threatening others, manipulative.
Shalom
J.
Is Michael Another Name For Jesus?
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This is a sad day, members threatening others, manipulative.
Shalom
J.
Why would it be a violation of Forum rules?
We have freedom of speech, don't we?
Is the Deity of Christ being silenced as well as the topic on the Triune Godhead?
Sad day indeed.
J.
Aunty Jane
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JW’s would not start “thread after thread” about those banned topics.....however, they would show you the scriptural evidence for why they think your beliefs are incorrect.
Those who start those threads are NOT just JW’s. We aren’t the only ones who reject “orthodox” Christian teachings. Don’t you first have to prove that “orthodox” beliefs are correct before you accept them?
For what reason then is the banned topic banned? If it was proven...i.e. if there was a clear statement from either God or his son that they were in the relationship that Christendom believes them to be, the topic would not still be raging after so many centuries......would it? It would have been resolved and put away a long time ago....done and dusted. But it remains unresolved because there is doubt created by the scriptures themselves. There is more scripture disproving that proving the belief....so on it goes. You can not resolve this issue by ignoring it. People need to know that they have choices and being exposed to the argument from both sides helps them to do that, based on knowledge not just blind belief.
Subtle....
What are the topics that is banned?JW’s would not start “thread after thread” about those banned topics.....however, they would show you the scriptural evidence for why they think your beliefs are incorrect.
Those who start those threads are NOT just JW’s. We aren’t the only ones who reject “orthodox” Christian teachings. Don’t you first have to prove that “orthodox” beliefs are correct before you accept them?
For what reason then is the banned topic banned? If it was proven...i.e. if there was a clear statement from either God or his son that they were in the relationship that Christendom believes them to be, the topic would not still be raging after so many centuries......would it? It would have been resolved and put away a long time ago....done and dusted. But it remains unresolved because there is doubt created by the scriptures themselves. There is more scripture disproving that proving the belief....so on it goes. You can not resolve this issue by ignoring it. People need to know that they have choices and being exposed to the argument from both sides helps them to do that, based on knowledge not just blind belief.
Subtle....
TO ALL JEHOVAH WITNESS,
If you truly claim and believe the SCRIPTURE to be true, then read the Scripture verses set forth below and BELIEVE who Michael is.
Daniel 10:18-21 reads:
18) Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
19) And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
20) Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21) But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth (Bible): and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Isaiah 9:6 reads:
"For unto us a child is born (JESUS), unto us a child is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Matthew 1:23 reads:
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."
Can a mere angel (a ministering spirit on behalf of true believers), become a believer's Prince or mighty God?
To God Be The Glory
If you truly claim and believe the SCRIPTURE to be true, then read the Scripture verses set forth below and BELIEVE who Michael is.
Daniel 10:18-21 reads:
18) Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me,
19) And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.
20) Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21) But I will show thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth (Bible): and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
Isaiah 9:6 reads:
"For unto us a child is born (JESUS), unto us a child is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulders: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."
Matthew 1:23 reads:
"Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name EMMANUEL, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US."
Can a mere angel (a ministering spirit on behalf of true believers), become a believer's Prince or mighty God?
To God Be The Glory
You have shown scriptures who Jesus is, and He is not Michael
Aunty Jane
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Because we cannot freely discuss this topic in this forum, would you please move your questions to the “Unorthodox” forum. I will be happy to discuss those scriptures with you there.
Jesus is God, and therefore is not Michael. Isn't that the Statement of Faith which we all agreed to?
Much love!
Aunty Jane
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Aunty Jane
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Nope.....being a “Christian” is not based on that “statement of faith” at all. Being an “orthodox Christian” does. But we are not all “orthodox Christians” here......and since we can’t discuss it....we have to leave it there.
Second time.
What topics are not up for discussion?
I believe in both, if some Moderators wants to impede on our freedom of speech they are the ones that needs to be silenced, not us.
J.
RLT63
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From what I understand the issue of the Trinity is a closed matter. This site affirms the Trinity and discussion of matters of the Trinity and the deity of Christ are restricted to certain areas of the forum. The way the thread was being derailed that conversation should probably take place in the Unorthodox Forum
I don't recall any requirement to agree to a statement of faith in order to post here.
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