Is knowing what death is a comfort?

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The only reason I can think of that you consider it funny is because you think it is referring to Jesus, however that is a quoted verse from Joel 2:32 Byrd, which clearly states those who call on Jehovah's name will get away safe.
im kinda getting tired of doing this RG, since you cannot hear, but no, there is no YHWH nor the Masoretic "Jehovah" anywhere in there,
All English Bibles that render God's name in English use Jehovah Byrd
no, they dont RG, and if they did, i would just recommend the original languages all the more, since Jehovah is a contrivance, as anyone with ears would quickly learn
I actually do not know of any version that is able to remove it completely however, do you?
yes, certainly; it is nowhere to be found in any Hebrew or Greek text
We are encouraged not to post on sites like this Byrd, you are quite correct.
tbh i mostly fear for you, when you start hearing the truth RG
I understand the whys, especially if one is not well rooted in the faith. The reason why you state we have it all mapped out, which we don't by the way, is because we are well educated scripturally sir. Isa 2:2,3. Jehovah prepares us well for us to accomplish the assignment, our ministry. Mat 28:19,20; 2 Tim 4:5
fine, go with that if you like RG, but i would allow for a little room for error if i were you
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I agree that whosoever has part in the first resurrection have overcome the second death, but they will not become immortal until their bodies are physically resurrected and changed physically from mortal to immortal, and corruptible to incorruptible human bodies. Immortal and incorruptible bodies enable them to live forever with Christ on the new earth. Physical death is not swallowed up in victory until our physical bodies are given immortal and incorruptible life. At the same hour the saints are physically resurrected and changed, those who have not part in the first resurrection are also physically resurrected to damnation of the second death (LOF).

1 Corinthians 15:51-54 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The 144,000 redeemed from the earth are Old Covenant faithful of all the tribes of the children of Israel. We first read of them in Rev 7 being sealed by the Holy Spirit. In life they died in faith, believing the prophets words of the Messiah who would come to redeem them from death. But they died before Christ came and sent His Spirit who gives us eternal spiritual life that makes it possible for us to ascend to heaven after death spiritually alive as living souls.

Revelation 7:4 (KJV) And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Having first been sealed with eternal spiritual life from the Holy Spirit, we next read of them in heaven, where they will remain until the seventh angel begins to sound that time shall be no more. Then their bodies will be physically resurrected from the grave and changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible, and reunited with our eternal spirit that comes with Christ when He returns the second time. Then we will once again be as we were in the beginning when God created mankind and everything was "very good".

We know the 144,000 are of all the tribes of the children of Israel of old because they are called "firstfruits unto God and the Lamb". Firstfruits meaning the first to be spiritually resurrected to ascend spiritually to heaven with Christ after His resurrection. This too proves how Christ defeated Satan by going into the abode of the dead and taking those held captive to death, now spiritually alive with Him to heaven.

Ephesians 4:8-10 (KJV) Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

The first resurrection we must all partake of is the resurrection of Christ. That means to be born again, born from above. Having spiritual life when we were once spiritually dead in trespasses and sins is to have part in the first resurrection. Only those of the first resurrection through Christ will attain immortal and incorruptible physical life after the seventh angel begins to sound that time shall be no more.
I agree that whosoever has part in the first resurrection have overcome the second death, but they will not become immortal until their bodies are physically resurrected and changed physically from mortal to immortal, and corruptible to incorruptible human bodies.
They of course become immortal when they are resurrected Rw, that is what overcoming, or not being subject to the second death means.
The 144,000 redeemed from the earth are Old Covenant faithful of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
Actually sir, the Bible indicates the Kingdom was taken from the Jews and given to a nation producing it's fruits Mat 21:43, the Israel of God Gal 6:16 is made up from people of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues Rev 5:9,10. They are the 144k anointed that will reside in heaven Rev 14:1-3
The first resurrection we must all partake of is the resurrection of Christ. That means to be born again, born from above.
Yes sir we agree, only born again Christians will be part of that first resurrection.
 

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im kinda getting tired of doing this RG, since you cannot hear, but no, there is no YHWH nor the Masoretic "Jehovah" anywhere in there,

no, they dont RG, and if they did, i would just recommend the original languages all the more, since Jehovah is a contrivance, as anyone with ears would quickly learn

yes, certainly; it is nowhere to be found in any Hebrew or Greek text

tbh i mostly fear for you, when you start hearing the truth RG

fine, go with that if you like RG, but i would allow for a little room for error if i were you
have a nice day
no, they dont RG, and if they did, i would just recommend the original languages all the more, since Jehovah is a contrivance, as anyone with ears would quickly learn
God's name appears as YHWH in the original Hebrew sir
yes, certainly; it is nowhere to be found in any Hebrew or Greek text
I wasn't asking for opinion, do you know of any version that is able to remove it completely Byrd? I haven't been able to find any. The Bible that Jesus and the apostles used and quoted from in their day was the Greek Septuagint and it contained the Divine name sir.
 

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you keep saying stuff like this RG, but demonstrating the exact opposite, wadr
tbh i think you are scared to death of what the Bible says, and have no desire for anyone to hip you up
I am not much for opinion as you should have discerned Byrd, so if you disagree with what I post, please do so with Scripture, as like I said, if the Bible says it, I believe it. We may differ on what it says however, but some things are point blank sir.
 

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No need to get bogged down in longwinded guesswork mate, the bottom line is that good people go to heaven and bad people don't, it's as simple as that..:)
In fact trying to give God a name is just downright disrespectful and blasphemous and I'm sure satan is chuckling..;)
Actually stating on behalf of God that there are people, good people and bad people, and that This isn’t heaven is what blasphemy is.
 

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God's name appears as YHWH in the original Hebrew
yes, ty RG
I wasn't asking for opinion, do you know of any version that is able to remove it completely Byrd? I haven't been able to find any. The Bible that Jesus and the apostles used and quoted from in their day was the Greek Septuagint and it contained the Divine name
it isnt in there at all, as you have already discovered im sure or you would have Quoted it right? So there is nothing to remove Rg, near as i can tell anyway
I am not much for opinion as you should have discerned Byrd, so if you disagree with what I post, please do so with Scripture,
ha well what would be the point RG, if you are just going to ignore any Bible you dont agree with? That is ezackly what i have been doing, and im seeing that it hasnt penetrated yet eh

tbh Jehovah, Yah, pretty much all meh to me RG, its when you start insisting on your corrupted vwersion that i start suggesting otherwise, ok?
You, specifically, function entire;ly on others opinions, thats why you believe as you currently do, which fwiw i have no objection to either ok
We may differ on what it says however, but some things are point blank sir.
RG, you are currently so completely sideways on anything the Bible says that you cannot hear anything anyone might tell you that disagrees with your or your elders' preconceived notions, and i am not inclined to disabuse you of your beliefs, in the least.
I would suggest that you are inevitably going to outgrow many of those beliefs, someday, maybe, and that when you do, you are in a poor position to adjust to that, but that is up to you.

You strike me as an earnest guy who is just really attached to his "tree" right now, and im ok with that, but wadr "Jehovah" is a pretty narrow view of YHWH, imo. Best of luck to you ok
 

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Is knowing what death is a comfort?


Well let's put it this way- when a christian is dying on his/her deathbed, his final words to his christian family and friends will be "See you later" which will give him and them tremendous comfort..:)
But a dying nonchristian will simply say to his nonchristian family and friends "goodbye forever."
End of the road for him-

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yes, ty RG

it isnt in there at all, as you have already discovered im sure or you would have Quoted it right? So there is nothing to remove Rg, near as i can tell anyway

ha well what would be the point RG, if you are just going to ignore any Bible you dont agree with? That is ezackly what i have been doing, and im seeing that it hasnt penetrated yet eh

tbh Jehovah, Yah, pretty much all meh to me RG, its when you start insisting on your corrupted vwersion that i start suggesting otherwise, ok?
You, specifically, function entire;ly on others opinions, thats why you believe as you currently do, which fwiw i have no objection to either ok

RG, you are currently so completely sideways on anything the Bible says that you cannot hear anything anyone might tell you that disagrees with your or your elders' preconceived notions, and i am not inclined to disabuse you of your beliefs, in the least.
I would suggest that you are inevitably going to outgrow many of those beliefs, someday, maybe, and that when you do, you are in a poor position to adjust to that, but that is up to you.

You strike me as an earnest guy who is just really attached to his "tree" right now, and im ok with that, but wadr "Jehovah" is a pretty narrow view of YHWH, imo. Best of luck to you ok
it isnt in there at all, as you have already discovered im sure or you would have Quoted it right? So there is nothing to remove Rg, near as i can tell anyway
I rather thought you wouldn't be able to, If you can come up with one Byrd, let me know I am definitely interested. I thought I found one the other day, but it was in it at Ps 68:10
 

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Well let's put it this way- when a christian is dying on his/her deathbed, his final words to his christian family and friends will be "See you later" which will give him and them tremendous comfort..:)
But a dying nonchristian will simply say to his nonchristian family and friends "goodbye forever."
End of the road for him-

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I don't particularly agree with that Drop, I am sure that is the case with some, but the Bible does indicate that pretty much everyone believes they are righteous Pro 21:2. I do agree that all of us Christians believe we will be resurrected, I know I sure do, and I always state that is a promise from God Jn 5:28,29; Rev 20:13, and that is just as sure as Jehovah's existence. I think most humans, even those who are atheist believes there is something after death sir.
 

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I don't particularly agree with that Drop, I am sure that is the case with some, but the Bible does indicate that pretty much everyone believes they are righteous Pro 21:2. I do agree that all of us Christians believe we will be resurrected, I know I sure do, and I always state that is a promise from God Jn 5:28,29; Rev 20:13, and that is just as sure as Jehovah's existence. I think most humans, even those who are atheist believes there is something after death sir.
thot you believed what the Bible said RG?
bro, you are as "death, more abundantly" as anyone else in here i guess
 

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I rather thought you wouldn't be able to, If you can come up with one Byrd, let me know I am definitely interested
RG, you have steadfastly ignored everything i have said, and just so you know if i did not have a lot of experience with believers in denial, i would have put you on ignore long time ago, k? This is not even a conversation, and you might get a grasp of "holding up your end" of one, with all due respect.

Now you can keep up with that clown talk if you want, but youre only kidding yourself, ok? Merry Bacchus to you
 

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The knower can not know, the understander can not understand, the believer can never see the truth. The truth is the end of the illusion of the individual, the end of believing.
 

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Totally understandable, that is how I have alway seen "the dead know nothing", it's because they are physically no longer here on earth. They past away, they have no consciousness here anymore, however due to the Lord Jesus Christ, they are resurrected at death because of God having raised him up from the dead.
They are not resurrected at death, the scriptures show that. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 tells us that the resurrection doesn't begin until the the second presence or second coming of Jesus Christ. So those who died before the second presence or second coming of Jesus Christ slept in death having no consciousness until they're resurrected at the second presence of Jesus Christ.
 

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Totally understandable, that is how I have alway seen "the dead know nothing", it's because they are physically no longer here on earth. They past away, they have no consciousness here anymore, however due to the Lord Jesus Christ, they are resurrected at death because of God having raised him up from the dead.
So to speak, reality is ‘made of’ not knowing. Infinite can not know finite. Infinite means ‘no finite’.

It’s not that “the dead” know nothing, it’s that you believe you know there is life & death, and therein “the dead”, and therefore believe right now you’re “alive”. That “aliveness“ is consciousness, conceptualized dualistically. (To be in accordance with beliefs).

But consciousness isn’t ‘here and there’ or ‘there but not here’ etc. Consciousness is infinite and eternal.

That people, humans, or any thing at all has consciousness, or that consciousness arises from a body, mind, or body-mind etc is referred to as the materialist’s paradigm. It’s a mental paradigm you’re looking to transcend. It’s ‘the matrix. Look into that if interested. Also, try to wrap your head around Schrödinger’s cat With respect to “life & death”, and then the double slit experiment. This will help you notice how you’ve currently got religious beliefs in place of, obscuring, the actuality of consciousness, and therein the truth of yourself & reality. The very consciousness aware now, not ‘some other consciousness’.

I am.
 

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