Is Jesus the only Way?

[bbyrd009]

How does one get "in Christ" so that there is definitely no longer an "if"? Was anyone described in the OT ever "in Christ"?


Cristovß Christos (khris-tos');
Word Origin: Greek, Adjective, Strong #: 5547

Christ = "anointed"

1. 
   
   
   • Christ was the Messiah, the Son of God
   • anointed

KJV Word Usage and Count
Christ 569



xyXm Mashiyach (maw-shee'-akh); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 4899

1. 
   
   
   • anointed, anointed one
     1. of the Messiah, Messianic prince
     2. of the king of Israel
     3. of the high priest of Israel
     4. of Cyrus
     5. of the patriarchs as anointed kings

KJV Word Usage and Count
anointed 37
Messiah 2

A corollary to that other would be that, at timescales too large for us to really comp or record, we ride waves, right, out "twin" stories closely mirror Romulus and Remus, etc, and Christ even said it is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick paraphrased, and what does "Christ" mean if not "anointed" right? Samson was anointed, some other OTs, etc, but a point might be that Christs or Anointeds manifest when we are on the like back-side of a wave, night is coming, when no man can work right, we get filled with evening then morning if you will, and maybe for-get that night is coming, when another Anointed will manifest.

Oh plus we like to imagine the whole world is involved, even encouraged to believe this from Scripture, but this might be error when we consider that we have that tendency, to project our woes onto everything else?

https://shaneidleman.com/2018/12/13/7-lessons-from-samson-surviving-the-anointing/

Only read the top couple paras, but there

 

[bbyrd009]

You should also have no doubt.
But go the Hegelian route and do the soft compromise through thesis-antithesis-synthesis route if you wish.

Ah well you might be right there, i would have to hear the thesis first, hope I'm not doing that but we'll see i guess.

Have no doubt about what, exactly? Bc fwiw in a very essential way, i have no doubt ok. Although full disclosure within the last year even i have momentarily like lost my grip and wondered if there was a God; but as i had already experienced that more than once i didn't even panic this time, i just kinda realized my def of "God" was adjusting...still is i guess, still work for me to think of "God" as "Father" tbh

 

[bbyrd009]

Life has an if in it.

zing!

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm listening with abated breath for those Scriptures. :)

Ah well, pls keep breathing ok :)
the Good Samaritan would have nothing to do with our Jesus, the Roman Centurion was credited with great faith but was not converted, (Mithraism is a belief system, not a sin iow, imo), Lazarus was not converted, feels like i'm forgetting a biggie but like that? The First Son said he would not go, yet did the Father's will...

Now I don't mean to say that these did not have Christ, ok--kinda forgot our arg here, sorry--but they def didn't have our Jesus?

Ya, so what I mean is "our current, widely held definition of Jesus The Anointed One is def not the only way, as the Scriptural examples of those who (obviously, imo anyway) would not have acknowledged the accepted Religion (or even more pointedly, would not emptily Profess to be willing to their Father) testify" whaddya say there? Can you poke any holes in that?

Also, "Jesus" is def the only way, sure

 

[bbyrd009]

7 Lessons from Samson—Surviving the Anointing - Shane Idleman

Put so nice better post it twice :)
Ima go read the rest now, bye!

So, the fight is over, the battle is won now, so i don't love the very bottom, but good stuff anyway imo. Iow pls don't go out and start killing "dead" ppl, etc

 

[Episkopos]

7 Lessons from Samson—Surviving the Anointing - Shane Idleman

Put so nice better post it twice :)
Ima go read the rest now, bye!

So, the fight is over, the battle is won now, so i don't love the very bottom, but good stuff anyway imo. Iow pls don't go out and start killing "dead" ppl, etc

It really comes down to humility....for surviving the anointing. Remaining weak in ourselves so we can be strong in the Lord. It's when you think you can handle things as you are that you are about to fail. Always pride before a fall.

With a greater anointing comes the need for a greater humility. We have to grow in both directions...like a tree...both up and down. If the roots of humility don't match the rise in anointing...the wind and pulls of nature will knock it down. Human nature...either ours or else the nature in others. But the forces are there. Wisdom shows us that we need the fear of the Lord and humility to survive the Christian walk so as to end up in a good place.

 

[bbyrd009]

It really comes down to humility....for surviving the anointing. Remaining weak in ourselves so we can be strong in the Lord. It's when you think you can handle things as you are about to fail. Always pride before a fall.

With a greater anointing comes the need for a greater humility. We have to grow in both directions...like a tree...both up and down. If the roots of humility don't match the rise in anointing...the wind and pulls of nature will knock it down. Human nature...either ours or else the nature in others. But the forces are there. Wisdom shows us that we need the fear of the Lord and humility to survive the Christian walk so as to end up in a good place.

Word, imo. How many times has some fresh anointing made me proud, yeh

 

[prism]

Ah well, pls keep breathing ok :)
the Good Samaritan would have nothing to do with our Jesus, the Roman Centurion was credited with great faith but was not converted, (Mithraism is a belief system, not a sin iow, imo), Lazarus was not converted, feels like i'm forgetting a biggie but like that? The First Son said he would not go, yet did the Father's will...

Now I don't mean to say that these did not have Christ, ok--kinda forgot our arg here, sorry--but they def didn't have our Jesus?

Ya, so what I mean is "our current, widely held definition of Jesus The Anointed One is def not the only way, as the Scriptural examples of those who (obviously, imo anyway) would not have acknowledged the accepted Religion (or even more pointedly, would not emptily Profess to be willing to their Father) testify" whaddya say there? Can you poke any holes in that?

Also, "Jesus" is def the only way, sure

Jesus is the only way to what?

 

[prism]

Ah well you might be right there, i would have to hear the thesis first, hope I'm not doing that but we'll see i guess.

Have no doubt about what, exactly? Bc fwiw in a very essential way, i have no doubt ok. Although full disclosure within the last year even i have momentarily like lost my grip and wondered if there was a God; but as i had already experienced that more than once i didn't even panic this time, i just kinda realized my def of "God" was adjusting...still is i guess, still work for me to think of "God" as "Father" tbh

It is good if your def of God is adjusting...adjusting according to His Word :)

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus is the only way to what?

Exactly. It takes a religious notion to assume that this is understood without any qualification. Like thinking the bible is the final authority.....even as it is used by wicked people for wicked purposes.

A bible can be used for good or evil. The truth is contained in the bible...but the truth can be twisted and misused.

It is they who think the bible is the final authority that misuse the bible the most.


They who preach grace the most understand it the least. They who preach law the most who break the most laws...etc...

We are human so we do things backwards. A little self-knowledge goes a long way to rectifying our inability to understand God.

 

[prism]

Btw when you go ask Lex that is not one but two instances of Scribes in the Woodpile there, turning faith into belief fuh ya.

I've never asked Lex, but I use to ask Alice. Does that count?

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus is the only way to what?

Ha, good one. Ok today ill say that Jesus is the only way to Nehushtan, who must needs be broken up if we are to follow Christ imo

 

[prism]

Exactly. It takes a religious notion to assume that this is understood without any qualification. Like thinking the bible is the final authority.....even as it is used by wicked people for wicked purposes.

A bible can be used for good or evil. The truth is contained in the bible...but the truth can be twisted and misused.

It is they who think the bible is the final authority that misuse the bible the most.


They who preach grace the most understand it the least. They who preach law the most who break the most laws...etc...

We are human so we do things backwards. A little self-knowledge goers a long way to rectifying our inability to understand God.

Nice piece of Zen for what it's worth...zero.
If Scripture is not the final arbiter in things spiritual, what is?
The Holy Spirit? Many claim "The Spirit showed me", that's a non starter.
The Pope? Have him if you want.
Prophet 'Zeke' and his latest teaching and the latest cult?

Matthew 24:35 KJVS
[35] Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Go ahead, continue to attack those who have a high regard for Scripture but with Job...

Job 23:12 KJVS
[12] Neither have I gone back from the commandment of his lips; I have esteemed the words of his mouth more than my necessary food.

 

[bbyrd009]

It is good if your def of God is adjusting...adjusting according to His Word :)

Well imo the words are right but the intent is Satanic, sorry.

In the beginnning was the Bible, and the Bible was with God, and the Bible was God

wow, what a useless po...any iPad user should out there know how to disable autocorrect, arg. Been looking. Older iPad, and google leads me to new info only!

I've never asked Lex, but I use to ask Alice. Does that count?

You are kidding of course, making jokes, but wadr Alice is for later, after the Book has been eaten, to honor the spirit of the song? Weren't we just jousting once again over
Bible = Word?
So bam move on when you feel led, but Alice will drop you in a pit if you are not ready for her i guess ok. If you harbor expectations, assumptions, beliefs, and by that i mean harbor in the Scriptural sense, Alice will be a Satan to you i guess.

Or I mean never mind all that, useles for you, sorry, but i would get fam with Lex and then the Inter before Alice, imo, ok. Pleasure is not a sin, unless it is. "Mandrakes" will open your mind, ok, regardless of whether you choose to abstain or over-indulge imo

 

[bbyrd009]

If Scripture is not the final arbiter in things spiritual, what is?

You might first formulate a specific complaint if you wish to call to account... Epi?
Fwiw

 

[bbyrd009]

It is they who think the bible is the final authority that misuse the bible the most.

And i think the Bible is the final authority, bam formulate your complaint and call me to account. Doesn't have to be a big deal; what/how have i misused the Bible? We are surrounded by witnesses, thirds if you will, and the truth will come out between us imo

A bible can be used for good or evil. The truth is contained in the bible...but the truth can be twisted and misused.

It is they who think the bible is the final authority that misuse the bible the most.


They who preach grace the most understand it the least. They who preach law the most who break the most laws...etc...

We are human so we do things backwards.

well, we certainly can i guess, but wadr you have left no room in there for...me? Others? Or at least we will see

 

[amadeus]

yeh, even with the little raven let go thing, ppl still...ha, well, if i told you my interp of Noach--Noah was a chick right--you would prolly put me on ignore or something lol

I won't say I won't but it is unlikely that I will...put you on ignore that is. Before you let your head swell up I must say that I have never put anyone on this forum on ignore... although I do purposely not read the posts of some people... or at least not usually. I won't name any of those if that is OK.

 

[amadeus]

oh ya? You should blog it!

Oh ya? You should blog it!
lol

Oh, i gotta say they are pretty up front on the Belief part?
lol

I don't know about all the rest, but I did start my blog here earlier today. I found what I had written about 10 years ago to initiate a blog on another forum. The actual blog on that forum seemingly has been dropped [deleted] but I had saved it to my computer.

 

[amadeus]

Life has an if in it.

It was there all of the time. So simple:

 

[amadeus]

Well i dunno, but confession leads to salvation yeh?

I hear that Q a lot, and i'm not sure the narrative could allow that? The OT speaks of righteous man? And we have...the diff in the way two Righteous Man's were described to maybe guide us there, um, Job and Noah? Both likely recycled? Then there is the Enoch/Noah relationship, which i guess I'm not telling any secrets to say that when one generation walked with God, and was no more and then the "next generation" finds itself in an Ark built by a...brb, wanna get this right,

Genesis 6:9 Interlinear: These are births of Noah: Noah is a righteous man; perfect he hath been among his generations; with God hath Noah walked habitually.

Ok so Noach also walked with God, blameless, among his generations which we usually glide over, right, but that is there for a reason too i guess, so anyway imo yes, only Christ had not yet incarnated right--which i will argue Jesus = John Doe all day long, at least for now, possibly even a composite character even, but i would still weirdly argue for the incarnation of Christ in Jesus, Who died for my sin; pls don't ask me to splain that tho lol-

-so maybe the narrative or rather dispensation being what it was, that language "in Christ" just wouldn't fit the dispensation? Even though we have plenty of hints of a pre-incarnate Christ Who Was, AM, meaning Christ is Spirit, too, yes?

So i dunno, but i do know the dangers of personifying Spirit? And we don't know all of Christ's Names, surely?

If instead of saying "in Christ", we were to say "in the name", would that simplify it or change its meaning? Consider this explanation I posted to this forum in August of 2018 about "In the name". It would still seem to explain what I see at the moment:


A part of me is rebelling against responding to this thread, but something else is leading me on so here it is:

To me this "dwelling in His presence" is what Jesus called being "in my name" or what we might call being "in His name".

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Matt 18:20

The verse quoted above is just one of a multitude of verses found not only in the NT but also in the OT. How can we express exactly what it means? God can and does express it at times to us, but we are likely to have difficulty expressing to others who have never been there.

I have read all of the posts on this thread and it was quite a pleasant experience because others have been in his name as well.

Many people meet regularly to worship God and when they do they should really all be in His name to get what God wants us to get when we gather together. Without the "in His name" it is likely no more than a social gathering of people and it may be good, but it certainly falls short of the "very good" that God made in the beginning.

We can be alone with God and "in His name" with no other person present and perhaps that is not the same as it is when other people are present who are also in His name, but they are certainly related. The difference I see is on the one hand preparing as an individual to become a part of the Body of the Christ, while the other is working together with other parts to get to that "fitly joined together" place of which Paul wrote. It is all necessary in God's plan and for anyone who hopes to be part of the end of God's plan.

For me the "in His name" comes sometimes with difficulty and sometimes so easily. The difference there is in me. How hard or easy is it to surrender it all to Him? My habitual time is in the morning when I first get up. I'm always the early bird so my wife sleeps on as I go into my study [2nd bedroom of 2 bedroom apartment] to spend my time with Him. I have my Bibles right there and I begin always with what people call the Lord's prayer [Matt 6:9-13 plus verses 14-15]. Some will call this a vain repetition, but I do not read them vainly. I pray them carefully two or three times depending on the day of the week. Some days it is in two languages plus one and other days in three languages plus one. As I am reading I am always trying to concentrate on what the words are saying. I do the same thing with my regular Bible reading which follows the Lord's prayer. Before and after each chapter read I will also stop to simply talk [pray] to the Lord or to listen.

Where does the "in His name" come in? Anywhere and everywhere. For me it usually comes in an unknown tongue. My tongue directed by His Spirit. This is the "plus one" I mentioned above. This is my morning session. There are no other special times, but while I am on a Christian forum I will always look to prayer sub forums and pray for needs expressed there. When I read through or scan the threads/posts on the other sub forums I will also try to pray as I go. When I don't, I may speak when I should be silent or I may say something better left unsaid. During the course of my day I will sometimes pray as led to do so. Usually, if not always this is "in His name".

"In His name"? What is it? Where is it? Heaven! When not "in His name" I guess that sometimes I am in hell, but I don't go there as often as I once did. When in heaven, it may simply be first, but quite often I believe it is the second. I cannot say that I've been to 3rd but God is not finished with me yet.

Don't get worried about heaven here. For me from scripture there are three. See the tabernacle in the wilderness built according to God instructions to Moses. There is the outer court, the holy place and the holiest of holies. Of course there is a place outside of the outer court. The children of Israel lived there and always had to return there. But daily the sacrifices were being made for them and once a year the high priest entered that most holy place. Now we, everyone of us, can stay always in first heaven; we should be entering second heaven every day. As to third heaven... that is a place for those without sin.

Never mind all of the detail for every person may be different in the details for the Body of Christ consists of many parts with assorted functions... but all "in His name".