Is Jesus a Man That God Selected?

[Wrangler]

I perceive that in your endeavor to support your non-trinitarian view, you've applied a meaning to a word in a passage that isn't correct.

And that belief about the verb word is totally wrong. Stop telling me what I believe.

I'm typing this slowly in the hopes you will understand. It is the sentence itself. Jesus is not God in the sentence. What part of this FACT do you not get?

 

[marks]

And that belief about the verb word is totally wrong. Stop telling me what I believe.

I told you my perception.

Much love!

 

[Wrangler]

I told you my perception.

Much love!

Indeed. Perception is only important on subjective matters. Sentence structure is an objective matter. Jesus is not the subject of the sentence. God, in his unitarian nature, is the subject of the sentence. In the sentence structure, Jesus is identified as the object being acted upon - the man Jesus is emphasized.

It's not about perception but conception. Do you recognize reality for what it is - the sentence structure for what it is - or do you rationalize it to be otherwise? God <insert verb> the man Wrangler (or the man marks) or the man Jesus.

One example is God selected the man Jesus. See Acts 17:31.

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL. A figurative statement is the very definition of a non-absolute statement.

Also, absolute statements are not necessary absolute truths. For instance, when I say it is dark out, it may be true the moment I said it. However, that does not mean it is always true.

No, it's not. God sometimes speaks to us figuratively - it isn't non-absolute.

 

[Wrangler]

No, it's not. God sometimes speaks to us figuratively - it isn't non-absolute.

LOL. Double negative. Seems you are engaging in Circular Reasoning. Are you saying God lacks the ability to express non-absolute statements?

 

[Wrangler]

Then there is the 2nd part of Acts 17:31. God, in his unitarian nature, raised Jesus from the dead.

Trinitarians refuse to answer the question from this verse of who raised Jesus from the dead. What does this text say?

 

[APAK]

Thank the one true God, who is his Father and mine, for raising his Son Jesus, and my Savior from his death to immortality for his, and our sakes...Hallelujah!!

 

[Bob Estey]

LOL. Double negative. Seems you are engaging in Circular Reasoning. Are you saying God lacks the ability to express non-absolute statements?

This isn't an English class. It's a religious discussion.

 

[Wrangler]

LOL. Double negative. Seems you are engaging in Circular Reasoning. Are you saying God lacks the ability to express non-absolute statements?

This isn't an English class. It's a religious discussion.

Not an answer to my question.

 

[Bob Estey]

Not an answer to my question.

The Lord might want one person to take away one thing from a statement, and another person another thing, but he would never make a statement and then leave it up to us to interpret any way we choose.

 

[bbyrd009]

The Lord might want one person to take away one thing from a statement, and another person another thing, but he would never make a statement and then leave it up to us to interpret any way we choose.

imo dont be too sure bob

 

[face2face]

I'm not JW but a unitarian Christian.

Hi Wrangler,
I also am a Unitarian Christian and wondered how you came to your understanding? taught from a child or through discovery of truth?

 

[Wrangler]

Hi Wrangler,
I also am a Unitarian Christian and wondered how you came to your understanding? taught from a child or through discovery of truth?

Discovery of truth. I was raised a bad Catholic and recall sitting in the pew as the priest talked about the 1C. The singular pronoun "me" struck me as being as opposed to the doctrine of the trinity as could be. That would have been a wicked good time for God to 'splain hisself; you shall have no god before the Father, Son & HS.

One guy recently asserted here that we cannot understand Scripture as literature. It is a tacit admission that there is no rational Scriptural basis for the doctrine.

I choose the plain words of Scripture over 4th century man-made doctrine.

Trinitarians are completely deluded, holding this doctrine as the central message of the Bible. Problem is, it's not in the Bible. The doctrine of the trinity is so important to God that it is not mentioned once in 66 books - not the word, not the doctrine. I truly feel bad how twisted their mind must be to violate the 1C, the Sh'ma and Mark 7:13. In a desperate attempt to uphold the doctrine of the trinity, one must reject:
Logic
Definition
Language Usage

Logic: 3 is not 1. Jesus said he has a God, who is the Father, greater than him, knows more than him, sent him, told him what to say, raised him from the dead and gave him a revelation as he submitted his will to his God. This is not equality.

Definition: Jesus died. This is how you know he is not God. Scripture is explicit that God is the Father and Jesus is the Son of God. Conversely, 'God the Son' is not equivalent nor is it anywhere in Scripture. Biden of Maryland is not Maryland of Biden.

Language Usage: We are children of God. This makes us equal to Jesus, sharing in the same inheritance. Trinitarians make up classes of children, with Jesus as the Son but a special class of a child of God. And we, they say, are a different group of God's sons and daughters.

There is no doctrinal purity test to enter heaven. Yet, most trinitarians assert it is the gateway to salvation. Again, that nowhere is this in Scripture makes no difference to these poor souls.

 

[face2face]

There is no doctrinal purity test to enter heaven. Yet, most trinitarians assert it is the gateway to salvation. Again, that nowhere is this in Scripture makes no difference to these poor souls.

I really enjoyed reading your post and the Scriptural logic you use!

By chance do you believe in Heaven Going when one dies?

F2F

 

[Wrangler]

I really enjoyed reading your post and the Scriptural logic you use!

By chance do you believe in Heaven Going when one dies?

F2F

Thanks! Glad I could help. Heaven Going is not an expression I've heard before. Do you mean the idea of us going to heaven or staying on Earth after Judgement Day?

 

[kcnalp]

Don't Unitarians deny that Jesus is God? What about eternal Hell?

 

[Wrangler]

Don't Unitarians deny that Jesus is God? What about eternal Hell?

Good questions for another thread.

 

[kcnalp]

Good questions for another thread.

Done.

 

[Bob Estey]

imo dont be too sure bob

The Lord loves us - he doesn't want us misinterpreting things.

 

[bbyrd009]

The Lord loves us - he doesn't want us misinterpreting things.

well, different subject i think? and
all are deceived right