Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?

[Enoch111]

I think those who knowingly support the baby butchers are gonna have a real bad time on Judgment Day.

Democratic politicians have sent BILLIONS to baby butchers Planned Parenthood, and also received millions from PP in donations. And Biden-Harris are fully behind the butchery.

 

[Heyzeus]

I think those who knowingly support the baby butchers are gonna have a real bad time on Judgment Day.

Agreed - along with those who knowingly support forcing a woman not to take the morning after pill when the condom breaks ..through physical violence - (Law) and doing this in the name of Jesus.

Some questions to answer for sure.. among other things .. I do not pass Judgement .. but when I Judge, I do so under the authority of the Most High.... Jah .. Rastafa :)

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Forcing personal religious belief/dogma on others through physical violence (Law) - is not the answer. It saddens me to hear such things from otherwise upstanding individual. It further saddens me that you are a teacher of others - and that through this teaching you may have passed on some of this flawed ideology.

Law that messes with essential liberty on the basis of " We don't know otherwise" is an anathema to the very rock on which Jesus based his teachings ..

It is also an anathema to the rock on which the founding principles (contained in the Declaration of Independence) is based - in a wonderful intersection of both Religious and Secular thinking.

Of this you are guilty - but likely quite unwittingly - 12 years of School and we fail to teach our Children the basics w/r to the founding principles of Western Democracy .. "Give me liberty or give me Death" - is foreign concepts from a forgotten time.

Jer 1:5 has no bearing on the issue .. "When does the soul arrive" ? So what if God knew you when you were in heaven .. God will still know you when the soul resides in its fleshy palace ...

but if the soul is not residing in the fleshy palace ... ?????????????? then God knowing that soul in heaven is irrelevant.

You have been a bad Girl .. regardless of whether or not you intended it .. although lack of intent is a mitigating factor .. and I can not read thoughts like the one who will Judge you .. the one who will determine "intent"

but now you know - go and sin no more - no longer is lack of intent an excuse for you.

My goodness, @Heyzeus , you have been a silly boy (if you really are a male) by imposing your morals on me, a free moral agent and lecturing me.... I find your last post to be a mixture of ignorance and meanness.

Forcing personal dogma on others? Try causing the death of an unborn child (not really), and you will have a new understanding about religious dogma being forced on you through what you call "physical violence, or law." Of course, I'm talking about a WANTED pregnancy.

You mention the "founding principles." I suppose you mean these:

We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;
​

You can see that the "right...to life" is the first unalienable right mentioned, but you are proposing that this doesn't apply to the unborn of less than 20 weeks gestation because of a lack of cognitive function..... You said this thing in the womb wouldn't be "a human." I asked you if the thing in the womb of 19 weeks would be "a human," but you conveniently skirted my question.

So, I'm a "bad girl" in your estimation? What moral hogwash you are dishing out based on what you consider to be science (I guess). I believe that it's better to err on the side of treating the human zygote/fetus as a human being deserving of all the legal protection that any other human being deserves. In the USA, this includes the right to life.

Of course, I will stand before Almighty God on Judgment Day and answer to Him for my views on abortion, not before you, for which I am grateful. So, your judgment means nothing to me, but it does to you. When we dish out unwarranted judgment against others, it tends to come back to us.

 

[Heyzeus]

My goodness, @Heyzeus , you have been a silly boy (if you really are a male) by imposing your morals on me, a free moral agent and lecturing me.... I find your last post to be a mixture of ignorance and meanness.

Forcing personal dogma on others? Try causing the death of an unborn child (not really), and you will have a new understanding about religious dogma being forced on you through what you call "physical violence, or law." Of course, I'm talking about a WANTED pregnancy.

You mention the "founding principles." I suppose you mean these:

We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;
​

You can see that the "right...to life" is the first unalienable right mentioned, but you are proposing that this doesn't apply to the unborn of less than 20 weeks gestation because of a lack of cognitive function..... You said this thing in the womb wouldn't be "a human." I asked you if the thing in the womb of 19 weeks would be "a human," but you conveniently skirted my question.

So, I'm a "bad girl" in your estimation? What moral hogwash you are dishing out based on what you consider to be science (I guess). I believe that it's better to err on the side of treating the human zygote/fetus as a human being deserving of all the legal protection that any other human being deserves. In the USA, this includes the right to life.

Of course, I will stand before Almighty God on Judgment Day and answer to Him for my views on abortion, not before you, for which I am grateful. So, your judgment means nothing to me, but it does to you. When we dish out unwarranted judgment against others, it tends to come back to us.

I accused you of nothing other than the consequences of your actions - have your beliefs - keep them - be happy you live in a nation that allows you to have religious belief .. But -when you start forcing that belief on others through physical violence - that is another matter.

Did you miss this distinction ?

I stated when I think for sure a soul exists .. prior to that I do not know - have to see how much brain function was present .. I would be OK with back dating it to 16 weeks .. just to make sure - from a moral perspective .. and feel Ok from a legal perspective sans extraordinary circumstances ..

The legal question is a different kettle of fish - and the bar is much higher.

Not only have you failed to give valid religious justification - " I don't know" as justification for anything is logical fallacy.
You have horribly failed with secular justification of Law..

Yet .. based on this horrible failure - you feel you have the right to force your personal religious dogma on others through physical violence.

Did you want me to praise you for this ? No Maam .. not happening..

 

[Prayer Warrior]

I accused you of nothing other than the consequences of your actions - have your beliefs - keep them - be happy you live in a nation that allows you to have religious belief .. But -when you start forcing that belief on others through physical violence - that is another matter.

Did you miss this distinction ?

I didn't miss your distinction at all. I just applied it differently than you, and I believe more biblically. Any laws that are based on morals are a form of forcing a moral view on others. No doubt, you're glad that there are laws against stealing.

I stated when I think for sure a soul exists .. prior to that I do not know - have to see how much brain function was present .. I would be OK with back dating it to 16 weeks .. just to make sure - from a moral perspective .. and feel Ok from a legal perspective sans extraordinary circumstances ..

Please don't take offense, but it sounds as though you think you are God--like you have it within your own power to make this judgment. YOU DON'T KNOW when a certain level of cognitive function begins in a human being. So...now you're saying 16 weeks. I wonder what God would say. What would He consider the entity in the womb at 15 weeks of gestation?

Not only have you failed to give valid religious justification - " I don't know" as justification for anything is logical fallacy.
You have horribly failed with secular justification of Law..

Yet .. based on this horrible failure - you feel you have the right to force your personal religious dogma on others through physical violence.

Did you want me to praise you for this ? No Maam .. not happening..

I can see that my candidness was lost on you. I will keep my wondering to myself in the future.

However, I did not fail to give biblical justification for protecting the human being in the womb at all stages of development. You dismissed what I provided, so what you are saying is not the truth. Hmm.

Did you want me to praise you for this ? No Maam .. not happening..

Believe me, I wasn't hoping to receive your praise. Furthermore, I would not value the praise of a confused person who believes what you do about the morality of killing unborn humans.

 

[Heyzeus]

I didn't miss your distinction at all. I just applied it differently than you, and I believe more biblically. Any laws that are based on morals are a form of forcing a moral view on others. No doubt, you're glad that there are laws against stealing

Nope ... laws against stealing are different. You are missing the distinction - hence why you provided such an answer.

Direct Harm - one person against another (rape, murder, theft ) is not part of "essential liberty" - protection from this harm is the legitimate authority of Gov't - that we all agree to as per the social contract - construct by which we the people give authority to Gov't.

What we did not give Govt the authority to do is mess with essential liberty - actions where there is no direct harm to another individual by doing some action ... sans overwhelming consent.

So no .. you are not getting it.. There is a difference between 1) having a personal belief . and 2) forcing that belief on another human - be it religious or secular - with respect to essential liberty.

If you don't like alcohol - don't drink .. but the fact that you do not like alcohol is not legitimate justification to use physical violence to prevent another from drinking alcohol

Nor is "God says so" legitimate justification - for any law .. nor is it moral justification - as per the sacred scripture

 

[Prayer Warrior]

What we did not give Govt the authority to do is mess with essential liberty - actions where there is no direct harm to another individual by doing some action ... sans overwhelming consent.

Essential liberty--the right to life!

I rest my case.

 

[CadyandZoe]

It is hard for me to take this seriously. It's wishful thinking.

I would say maybe it's people like Q who are trying to create fear and panic, imagining shadowy enemies everywhere.

Why do you resist the evidence? Why do you refuse to acknowledge the truth?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/hunte...ng-connections-with-dad-to-boost-burisma-pay/

Ask yourself, why is this story being censored across all social media platforms? Why is this story not reported in other main stream media? Why has the Biden campaign not refuted the story? Why the efforts to suppress rather than explain? The FBI had this information for 18 months. Why didn't the FBI do anything?

Are Liberals willfully blind or ……….?
$1.5B contract in Iraq for Biden’s little brother exposes Obama ahead of debate
Biden's brother $1.5b contract in Iraq.
https://nypost.com/2019/05/11/the-troubling-reason-why-biden-is-so-soft-on-china/
Biden's son $1.5b deal w/ China.
Coincidence?

Biden admitted using his influence to help his son maintain his corrupt deals with Burisma
FLASHBACK, 2018: Joe Biden Brags At CFR Meeting About Withholding Aid To Ukraine To Force Firing Of Prosecutor

 

[CadyandZoe]

You sure your in the right thread
Just kidding..
Young women huh? And young men, and, and and..
we have some really deviant and malign people in politics.
A young woman would be normal. Some of these people are not normal.
Can you imagine how much blackmail and bribery are held against those who took trips to say, Haiti? or Epstein Island?
Some fancy forests over in the UK where they like to go umm hunting.
These aren't theories either. They are documented court cases.
Most are sealed but every now and then a couple sneak out.
One of Trump's first Executive Orders was for Crimes against Humanity.
And every year it gets renewed.
Thats why they want us shut down. Thats why they want us censored.
Because people like us aren't supposed to be asking questions like those.
Too late.. we got it all :)

I know Ziggy. I must admit that I am woefully inadequate in my efforts to convince others of the depths of evil taking place right now around the world. And I know that reality is even much worse than what you have rightly said here. (Thanks for your post.) This isn't just another four year election is it?

 

[Giuliano]

Why do you resist the evidence? Why do you refuse to acknowledge the truth?

https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/hunte...ng-connections-with-dad-to-boost-burisma-pay/

Ask yourself, why is this story being censored across all social media platforms? Why is this story not reported in other main stream media? Why has the Biden campaign not refuted the story? Why the efforts to suppress rather than explain? The FBI had this information for 18 months. Why didn't the FBI do anything?

Are Liberals willfully blind or ……….?
$1.5B contract in Iraq for Biden’s little brother exposes Obama ahead of debate
Biden's brother $1.5b contract in Iraq.
https://nypost.com/2019/05/11/the-troubling-reason-why-biden-is-so-soft-on-china/
Biden's son $1.5b deal w/ China.
Coincidence?

Biden admitted using his influence to help his son maintain his corrupt deals with Burisma
FLASHBACK, 2018: Joe Biden Brags At CFR Meeting About Withholding Aid To Ukraine To Force Firing Of Prosecutor

I don't find one newspaper carrying a story that impressive. I heard Fox News was offered the story and turned it down.

You can cook up all the theories you like about the FBI, the liberals, etc. You can make any wild claims you want. What I know is that the NY Post ran that story -- and that doesn't make it true anymore than a story run by the New York Times has to be true because they ran it.

You choose to believe whatever fits into your theory of things. Republicans in the Senate investigated this too. They found no real evidence. Instead of imagining everyone is lying, why not think maybe most of these people are sincere and honest?

I will wait for better evidence; and to be blunt, I wouldn't be surprised if the NY Post was duped and will wind up embarrassed over that story and some people responsible for starting rumors could wind up in jail. But I cannot say I know. You can pretend to know, but it's all pretend.

What you ought to see is that there are efforts to get the American people to mistrust their government, mistrust the press, mistrust people of the other political party. That is an attempt to undermine the stability of the US government which could lead to chaos and violence. The enemies of the US would be laughing at us.

 

[JohnDB]

It's not illegal to be a lobbyist for a foreign company.
We have a ton of them.
Japan has a consulate here in Nashville TN for the electronics firms to lobby our local government on deals with electronics for AV and internet equipment. (Music and movies industry)

BUT

Lobbyist must be declared, licensed and identified as such. Otherwise it's very illegal...can be construed as espionage.

And Hunter Biden didn't do that.

 

[John Caldwell]

Hey there John
History is an interesting thing but judging time periods and cultures is like trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
Taking someone from the era of the bible and dropping them into our town....they would probably consider us all witches. If we were dropped into the turn of the millennium we would probably find ourselves tied to pole as they lit the tinder beneath us.

Slavery was a good example...as everybody knows the Jews were slave at one time. Christ nor Paul denounced slavery for good reason....it was more than the norm. It was a social economics of the time period. Taking the stylish logic of today if we all traced our ancestry back far enough, we could find slavery in our past and a good part of us could be out in the streets demanding retribution.

The Democrats are lucky that the minorities do not know that at one point that it was the Democrats that supported slavery and were against freeing them.

Are you growing your beard again?

Principles are the same. ANE culture allowed for things (like divorce and slavery) but American slavery was not slavery within the Hebrew nation.

The largest moral issue with the Democrat party is their stance on abortion. It is a greater evil than slavery.

We are accountable for our actions and where we lend our voice. It could be some who crucified Christ were believers, I suppose. But their faith did not make their actions less a sin.

What we do to the least of these we do to Christ. There is none so helpless as a child.


I started growing my beard again but shaved. It was going so good but I shaved it for an interview and can't muster the will to get through that first stage of looking like I need to shave.

 

[JohnDB]

I'm growing my blonde beard for Christmas...
Then I'm going to shave it all off.

The story of Simon the Cyrene is the tale that condemns the practice of abortion the most. (Simon sold Abortifacient)

So I'm not going to promote that practice and encourage others not to

 

[Truther]

I think those who knowingly support the baby butchers are gonna have a real bad time on Judgment Day.

Yep.

 

[ChristisGod]

My goodness, @Heyzeus , you have been a silly boy (if you really are a male) by imposing your morals on me, a free moral agent and lecturing me.... I find your last post to be a mixture of ignorance and meanness.

Forcing personal dogma on others? Try causing the death of an unborn child (not really), and you will have a new understanding about religious dogma being forced on you through what you call "physical violence, or law." Of course, I'm talking about a WANTED pregnancy.

You mention the "founding principles." I suppose you mean these:

We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness;
​

You can see that the "right...to life" is the first unalienable right mentioned, but you are proposing that this doesn't apply to the unborn of less than 20 weeks gestation because of a lack of cognitive function..... You said this thing in the womb wouldn't be "a human." I asked you if the thing in the womb of 19 weeks would be "a human," but you conveniently skirted my question.

So, I'm a "bad girl" in your estimation? What moral hogwash you are dishing out based on what you consider to be science (I guess). I believe that it's better to err on the side of treating the human zygote/fetus as a human being deserving of all the legal protection that any other human being deserves. In the USA, this includes the right to life.

Of course, I will stand before Almighty God on Judgment Day and answer to Him for my views on abortion, not before you, for which I am grateful. So, your judgment means nothing to me, but it does to you. When we dish out unwarranted judgment against others, it tends to come back to us.

Amen

 

[amigo de christo]

I would say the opposite is true. Why take chances with a human soul?

"Why not" cuts it as well as "why" when we don't know something for sure.

Glad we agree on the dogma part. :)

Edit: I'm adding this one caveat. God said this to Jeremiah:

Jer 1:5--“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Thats right dear sister . WE SHALL have no PART of the roe v wade legislation . Babies lives matter . Praise the LORD sister .
Praise the Lord . Save the babies .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sorry, @Heyzeus , but I don't understand what you're asking me.

As you notice , folks Think a lot . But the simple truth is , Abortion is evil . And that we DO KNOW .
Many will try and persauded many that it is not wrong or evil . OH BUT IT IS . Sound it out dear sister , babies lives matter .

 

[CadyandZoe]

I don't find one newspaper carrying a story that impressive.

I don't care what you find "impressive." The only question is whether or not the story is true.

You can cook up all the theories you like about the FBI, the liberals, etc.

This isn't a "theory." This is a story of corruption, bribery, treason and sedition at the highest level being told by a respected newspaper with evidence to support the story.

Instead of imagining everyone is lying, why not think maybe most of these people are sincere and honest?

This is not my imagination at work. These are real stories backed up by real facts.

I will wait for better evidence;

I don't believe you.

 

[Heyzeus]

Essential liberty--the right to life!

I rest my case.

You have no case. Essential Liberty applies to Persons - and you have not shown that a zygote is a person.

You responded "we don't know" and then went on to say that you would like law created on the basis of "we don't know otherwise" and have no problem forcing religious belief on others through physical violence.

For those that accept this position - Law justified on the basis of "we don't know otherwise" to force a woman to pass a large object through a small orifice - I suggest we send over Big Bob the Sodomizer once a week on the basis of - "we don't know that this will not do this person some good"

I suggest it would do these folks a great deal of good - as they would quickly learn how horrible the Justification "we don't know otherwise" is for Law.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

You have no case. Essential Liberty applies to Persons - and you have not shown that a zygote is a person.

You responded "we don't know" and then went on to say that you would like law created on the basis of "we don't know otherwise" and have no problem forcing religious belief on others through physical violence.

For those that accept this position - Law justified on the basis of "we don't know otherwise" to force a woman to pass a large object through a small orifice - I suggest we send over Big Bob the Sodomizer once a week on the basis of - "we don't know that this will not do this person some good"

I suggest it would do these folks a great deal of good - as they would quickly learn how horrible the Justification "we don't know otherwise" is for Law.

God has a case! His case matters, @Heyzeus !

God knows! It's not for humans to decide when life begins. This is God's area! He created life!

Now, you're just sounding unhinged and obscene.