Is it a sin for a Christian to vote for a Democrat?

[Prayer Warrior]

Really now - I never claimed that was from the Bible .. I was speaking of the soul.

So when do you think it alights ?

I didn't say that you said the quote is from the Bible, but the quote is what you were basing your idea on about when the developing fetus becomes "a human" or a person.

I'm not sure what you mean by "alights."

I believe that human life begins at conception. How God does this, I do not know. As far as I'm concerned, it's a mystery. :)

 

[Heyzeus]

I didn't say that you said the quote is from the Bible, but the quote is what you were basing your idea on about when the developing fetus becomes "a human" or a person.

I'm not sure what you mean by "alights."

I believe that human life begins at conception. How God does this, I do not know. As far as I'm concerned, it's a mystery. :)

I gave a secular definition - and a religious definition.

Secular definition is summed up in "I think therefore I am" - followed by the description of what mechanical apparatus is necessary for such to exist

The Religious definition is when the soul alights .. when the soul enters the body

So answer the above .. but also say where the soul came from previously - and where it will go after.

Then tell me - on your next vacation - leaving heaven to go and live another life on some planet - the rule being you will not remember your past life .. until you get back to heaven.. where would you like to go .. but more importantly.

At what point would you want to enter the human vessel you will be inhabiting for your entire vacation.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Then tell me - on your next vacation - leaving heaven to go and live another life on some planet - the rule being you will not remember your past life .. until you get back to heaven.. where would you like to go .. but more importantly.

At what point would you want to enter the human vessel you will be inhabiting for your entire vacation.

Sorry, @Heyzeus , but I don't understand what you're asking me.

 

[Heyzeus]

Sorry, @Heyzeus , but I don't understand what you're asking me.

When do you think a soul enters - along the process of human creation. Or did you not believe in a soul.

For example - the Catholic dogma is that it arrives at conception. Is this when you think the soul arrives .. prior to this point .. or after this point...

 

[Prayer Warrior]

When do you think a soul enters - along the process of human creation. Or did you not believe in a soul.

For example - the Catholic dogma is that it arrives at conception. Is this when you think the soul arrives .. prior to this point .. or after this point...

I do believe that every human being has a soul, and this soul is imparted at conception.

 

[historyb]

tian socialism? I believe the article I posted has it right--that socialism is a form of communism, which is based on atheism.

The early Christians (in Acts) shared things in common, but I wouldn't call this socialism or communism because obviously, the early Christians were not atheists. So, the term "Christian socialism" is an oxymoron.

People in error think the first Christian were socialist because they try to put modern day things on Ancient times. People don't understand (especially the younger because they were never taught properly, except for professors such as yourself) that socialism is very evil

 

[Heart2Soul]

The more comments I read by Trump supporters (in this thread and in other threads) and the more I listen to Trump talk, the more I lean toward voting for Joe Biden. If these outspoken conservatives are trying to convince people like us to vote for Trump, then they are failing miserably.

It's actually causing me to dislike Donald Trump and his supporters even more than I did before I joined this site three weeks ago. I've shared the link to this thread with some fellow Independents and conservative friends of mine and they're just as appalled by its content as I am.

Why don't you make your own research about the president and decide based on your own conclusions instead of listening to what others say. Better yet, pray and ask God about what His Will is in the matter.:)

 

[Heyzeus]

I do believe that every human being has a soul, and this soul is imparted at conception.

OK .. but why at conception ? - hence the other questions which now come up.. Does the soul exist prior to taking residence in the zygote -
and if it did was this soul in heaven - or just drifting aimlessly around the universe looking for a vessel to inhabit.

I say the soul was in heaven .. the reason I say this is because after repeating Hail Mary's year after year for millennia ... a vacation would be nice - so that's where souls come from.

But OK so there is a soul in the zygote disappears and is replaced by two identical clones of itself .. 2 zygotes .. both totipotent .. each able to create a new human .. and sometimes this happens .. this division continues until time time when you have 300 zygotes - do we now have 300 souls ?

What we don't have yet is a single human cell that will be part of the structure of the human being created.. that poor soul has no body ! yet.
Hanging around in the blastocyst until ... yeah .. this makes no sense to me.

and I know you likely have not gone any farther than "The Pope Said So" - which is a terrible resource for such a topic.

 

[Bobby Jo]

I don't watch 26 minute videos.

If you can't articulate your point in a few paragraphs - you should reconsider spending time on a debate site.

Actually, I though it was worth every minute, plus MORE! :)

Hope you take a look if nothing else to refresh your history! With Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[Prayer Warrior]

OK .. but why at conception ? -

This is the million dollar question. I guess I would ask, "why not?"

Does the soul exist prior to taking residence in the zygote -
and if it did was this soul in heaven - or just drifting aimlessly around the universe looking for a vessel to inhabit.

Another million dollar question. I don't know if the soul is pre-existing or if God creates it when the person is conceived.

But OK so there is a soul in the zygote disappears and is replaced by two identical clones of itself .. 2 zygotes .. both totipotent .. each able to create a new human .. and sometimes this happens .. this division continues until time time when you have 300 zygotes - do we now have 300 souls ?

Another good question. Of course, there wouldn't be 300 souls for only one person. That would be very weird.

I don't know the exact moment the soul is imparted. I don't think anyone knows for sure, and I'm not Catholic, so I wouldn't likely quote what the Pope says about it.

I don't believe anyone knows the answers to these questions, except God. And this is okay with me. I don't have to have all the answers. I think that a lot of wrong doctrine results from forcing explanations to questions like these.
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[amigo de christo]

What do you hope to accomplish by saying things like this? Did you think you would convince everyone to hate Trump, or what?

Have you even bothered to address any of his policies? @Grailhunter provided a lengthy list. You don't like anything on that list? Would you like some things on the list if they were someone else's policies?

Oh, that's right. You have me on ignore, so you won't answer any of my questions even though your comments apply to me. This is cowardly.

Not me. He actually believes in the limitation of federal powers. He's taken a lot of criticism for not overstepping federal authority over states.

Biden has announced his plans to put back all the layers of taxation and regulation Trump rolled back. He'll put us back under the so called Paris Accord, which is more a wealth transfer than anything else.

Biden said that if the Governors didn't do what he told them, Biden would go to the counties, and whomever he had to in order to pressure compliance with his agendas. Did you hear that in his town hall last week? My jaw about hit the floor.

He's perfectly fine with mandating a vaccine. He is openly willing to "pack the supreme court" to get his way.

Much love!

Talk about a liberal blind spot . folks accuse trump of being a facist and all in it for power . YET he never seized one ounce of power
over the states and forced anyone to a govt mandated close down . HE left it up to the states . Talk about blindness .
Whatever you do , DONT vote biden and harris . OF course i get the same strong hunch , YA WONT .

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Talk about a liberal blind spot . folks accuse trump of being a facist and all in it for power . YET he never seized one ounce of power
over the states and forced anyone to a govt mandated close down . HE left it up to the states . Talk about blindness .
Whatever you do , DONT vote biden and harris . OF course i get the same strong hunch , YA WONT .

You might have misunderstood what marks is saying. I'm not sure.

I have already voted--according to my conscience. I wasn't sure how the polls would be in my area, so I voted absentee for the first time in my life. I just hope my vote is counted and not discarded. I have to trust God with that and this whole election!

 

[Heyzeus]

This is the million dollar question. I guess I would ask, "why not?"



Another million dollar question. I don't know if the soul is pre-existing or if God creates it when the person is conceived.



Another good question. Of course, there wouldn't be 300 souls for only one person. That would be very weird.

I don't know the exact moment the soul is imparted. I don't think anyone knows for sure, and I'm not Catholic, so I wouldn't likely quote what the Pope says about it.

I don't believe anyone knows the answers to these questions, except God. And this is okay with me. I don't have to have all the answers. I think that a lot of wrong doctrine results from forcing explanations to questions like these.
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So .. the real answer here is that we don't know when the soul alights. So best not be supporting legislation based on the claim that it exists at conception .. as "why not" does not cut it from a legal or moral perspective.

Agreed that dogma such as this creates problems.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

So .. the real answer here is that we don't know when the soul alights. So best not be supporting legislation based on the claim that it exists at conception

I would say the opposite is true. Why take chances with a human soul?

"Why not" cuts it as well as "why" when we don't know something for sure.

Glad we agree on the dogma part. :)

Edit: I'm adding this one caveat. God said this to Jeremiah:

Jer 1:5--“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

 

[Bobby Jo]

... I don't know if the soul is pre-existing or if God creates it when the person is conceived. ...

Dearest PW,

It would seem to me -- WHO CARES, unless that person is "hell-bent" on MURDERING THAT CHILD, and simply wants an excuse for their CRIME.

And as you Wisely and Correctly stated, GOD knows -- not only the ACT, but also the INTENT in murdering an innocent child; exactly as HE knows the INTENT in a man's heart when he looks at a woman. And so I'd argue that if the "egg" was TERMINATED seconds after "fertilization", if the INTENT was SELFISH, then that person is guilty of Murder; just as lusting is guilty of Adultery. :)

With VERY Best Regards,
Bobby Jo

 

[Seven of Nine]

Why don't you make your own research about the president and decide based on your own conclusions instead of listening to what others say. Better yet, pray and ask God about what His Will is in the matter.:)

I've done my own research about Trump and that's another factor of why I don't support him. However, the point I was attempting to convey in my post is that I'm turned off by the negativity I've experienced on this site, which has reflected very poorly upon the Christian witness of this site. Christians can either be a blessing to their brothers and sisters in Christ and also draw non-Christians closer to God OR Christians can be a stumbling block to their brothers and sisters in Christ and also push non-Christians further away from God. I know people who have rejected the message of the Gospel because of the unchristlike behavior and attitude of Christians. The words of a Christian can be a blessing or a curse.

Christians are commanded to tame their tongue and not let any unwholesome talk come out of their mouth. Christians are commanded to love their neighbor as themselves and to love and pray for their enemies. Christians are commanded to turn the other cheek and be an Ambassador for Christ. Christians are commanded to never repay evil for evil, but overcome evil with good. The Bible teaches that Christians are to let their light so shine before men that they may see their good works and glorify our Father in Heaven. The Bible also teaches that vengeance belongs to the Lord and He will repay. What the Bible DOES NOT teach is to call the people they don't like DEMONRATS and resort to other malicious name-calling. The Bible teaches that any Christian who hates his brother or sister is a LIAR and anyone who hates another person is a MURDERER at heart. The Bible teaches that the works of the flesh include hatred, discord, dissensions, and fits of rage. Christians who viciously degrade other people are a stumbling block to other Christians and to unbelievers. Christians are called to be a light in the world by representing our Savior.

 

[kcnalp]

What the Bible DOES NOT teach is to call the people they don't like DEMONRATS

How about calling them baby butchers?

Planned Parenthood launches $45M campaign to back Democrats in 2020

 

[Heart2Soul]

I've done my own research about Trump and that's another factor of why I don't like him. However, the point I was attempting to convey in my previous post is that I'm turned off by the negativity I've experienced on this site, which has reflected very poorly upon the Christian witness here on this site. Christians can either be a blessing to their brothers and sisters in Christ and also draw non-Christians closer to God OR Christians can be a stumbling block to their brothers and sisters in Christ and also push non-Christians further away from God. I know people who have rejected the message of the Gospel because of the unchristlike behavior and attitude of Christians. The words of Christians can be a blessing or a curse.

Christians are commanded to tame their tongue and not let any unwholesome talk come out of their mouth. Christians are commanded to love their neighbor as themselves and to love and pray for their enemies. Christians are commanded to turn the other cheek and be an Ambassador for Christ. Christians are commanded to never repay evil for evil, but overcome evil with good. The Bible teaches that Christians are to let their light so shine before men that they may see their good works and glorify our Father in Heaven. The Bible also teaches that vengeance belongs to the Lord and He will repay. What the Bible DOES NOT teach is to call the people they don't like DEMONRATS and resort to other malicious name-calling. The Bible teaches that any Christian who hates his brother or sister is a LIAR and Christian who hates another person is a MURDERER at heart. The Bible teaches that the works of the flesh include hatred, discord, dissensions, and fits of rage. Christians can either be a blessing or they can be a stumbling block. The truth is, Christians are called to be a light in the world and be an Ambassador for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Yes, Jesus taught us how we should be a light to the world. And as you referenced many times..."Christians" should walk and talk and live as Jesus lived.
And it says if we say we love God but hate our brother then we are liars.
1 John 4 (KJV)
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²⁰ If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
²¹ And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.


Jesus gave us 2 commandments.
Matthew 22 (KJV)
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³⁷ Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

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³⁹ And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
⁴⁰ On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

So which of those verses justifies hatred towards Trump or any person serving in office?

 

[Heyzeus]

I would say the opposite is true. Why take chances with a human soul?

"Why not" cuts it as well as "why" when we don't know something for sure.

Glad we agree on the dogma part. :)

Edit: I'm adding this one caveat. God said this to Jeremiah:

Jer 1:5--“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.”

Forcing personal religious belief/dogma on others through physical violence (Law) - is not the answer. It saddens me to hear such things from otherwise upstanding individual. It further saddens me that you are a teacher of others - and that through this teaching you may have passed on some of this flawed ideology.

Law that messes with essential liberty on the basis of " We don't know otherwise" is an anathema to the very rock on which Jesus based his teachings ..

It is also an anathema to the rock on which the founding principles (contained in the Declaration of Independence) is based - in a wonderful intersection of both Religious and Secular thinking.

Of this you are guilty - but likely quite unwittingly - 12 years of School and we fail to teach our Children the basics w/r to the founding principles of Western Democracy .. "Give me liberty or give me Death" - is foreign concepts from a forgotten time.

Jer 1:5 has no bearing on the issue .. "When does the soul arrive" ? So what if God knew you when you were in heaven .. God will still know you when the soul resides in its fleshy palace ...

but if the soul is not residing in the fleshy palace ... ?????????????? then God knowing that soul in heaven is irrelevant.

You have been a bad Girl .. regardless of whether or not you intended it .. although lack of intent is a mitigating factor .. and I can not read thoughts like the one who will Judge you .. the one who will determine "intent"

but now you know - go and sin no more - no longer is lack of intent an excuse for you.

 

[kcnalp]

I think those who knowingly support the baby butchers are gonna have a real bad time on Judgment Day.