Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

[Soverign Grace]

Karl Marx said that the "bourgeoisie" (the middle class) must eventually disappear Communist Manifesto (Chapter 2)
Every communist since then has justified it because they wrongly felt that the middle class was an impediment. That is why all communist schemes eventually fail--because in attacking the middle class, they undercut the very backbone of civilization. It leaves the poor easily manipulated workers at the mercy of their pitiless communist leaders. Eventually, the whole system comes crashing down because production always falls far behind what is needed to maintain a decent standard of living when you work against the productive middle classes. The Russians used to have a wry saying when they were under communism: "The people pretend to work and the government pretends to pay us."

Hitler never used it as a political slogan although he might have said it in passing. Even if he did, why does that make President Trump suspect? I haven't noticed that Trump has done ANYTHING even remotely reminiscent of Hitler's actions.


He has tried to stop the funding of Planned Parenthood, but the leftist Democrats in Congress always make sure that the funding for PP is part of a larger spending bill that jeopardizes the entire funding of the government should Trump veto it. They did the same thing to Ronald Reagan whose "wish list" always included a "line item veto" which Congress would never give to him. The greatest insurance against gun control is the conservative Supreme Court justices Trump has nominated and fought to confirm. How is Trump responsible for that? Are you in favor of homosexuals being jailed or thrown off of roofs? He is just one man. The liberals who control public education throughout the West are mostly committed to the U.N. mandates concerning education. He can't fight everyone in the educational establishment... He promised to end ISIS in the M.E. and ISIS has nothing more than a token presence in the M.E.--there are very few Americans engaged in military action at this time... How do you know that? Much of the hatred from the left is hate manufactured by the leftist media--and it IS a show. They are trying to get up support for the Democrats. Just the opposite is true. Mexico has been told, in no uncertain terms that they must respect the sovereignty of the U.S. or there will be economic repercussions. They are now cooperating on stemming the tide of illegal immigrants. As for Canada--it has always been an economic colony of the U.S. and will continue, in that vein, in spite of the Marxist (Justin Trudeau) Prime Minister that Canada has at the moment.

No, that is actually true. Why do you think the elites hate him so much? They consider him to be a "traitor" to their globalist plans. The virulence of their attacks through the media which they own is NOT just a show. That story was mostly a lie. It was greatly exaggerated by his enemies. No--it is actually Satan who can appear as an angel of light and unless you are suggesting that Trump is the Antichrist, I see nowhere to go with that accusation. I don't think any Christian is blind to the very human individual he is. What President has ever been morally perfect--name one. Kennedy was a notorious womanizer, so was LBJ (who, more importantly, also did a lot of damage to the country). Eisenhower warned the people about the "Military-Industrial-Complex" as he was leaving office but there is no sign that he tried to do anything about it while in office. And so it goes. President Trump is at least trying to do something against the destruction that Obama and his minions did to the country.

He was raised Presbyterian--do you know how many Presbyterian churches are infected with Freemasonry? It doesn't mean that Trump worships Satan. Anyone below the level of 33rd degree is pretty clueless about what goes on at the highest levels of the organization. I'm told that the highest levels are beyond the 60th degree, although there is officially only 33 degrees.

Yes, that part is true.

Thanks for the explanation - the middle class is disappearing in America - they must be following the Communist Manifesto.

I just thought that it was interesting that Trump is using the same slogan that Hitler did. Trump's first wife Ivana said that he kept a book about Hitler next to his bed. It shows me that we're being manipulated on a grand scale even as America shifts into a police state mirroring Nazi Germany. If you look at all of Trump's actions and not what he says, outside of throwing a few bones to Christians, he's fulfilling the left's agenda. He's continued Planned Parenthood, he's flying thousands of illegals all over the country and dropping them into communities without getting a health check. He said we need to "import more." He's continued the endless wars. I could go on but they are not actions of a Christian or a populist. It personally affected me when I couldn't be seen in the ER in spite of being in dire need and I saw with my own eyes and felt with my own pain just how dangerous America has gotten.

What frightens me to the core is that Trump has continued to turn America into a police state. Police executed my neighbor's unarmed grandson. A judge threw out the family's lawsuit, saying the "shooting was justified." Three little girls were left without their father and without money. Police sexually molested someone I know during a traffic stop, and set a police dog on a man in custody and it bit and mauled him to death. Police beat my brother unconscious and stole his money - several thousand. These things - and worse - happen every day across America and no one is held accountable. We have great police in our city but there are those abusing the public and nothing is done. By the same token, police should be protected. We should do whatever is necessary to protect them. But our rights have systematically been taken so that America looks like Nazi Germany and Trump has continued it:

The Illusion of Freedom: the Police State Is Alive and Well

25 Signs That America Is Rapidly Becoming More Like Nazi Germany

10 Stunning Parallels Between The United States And Nazi Germany

Trump said police should treat the people they arrest violently, encouraging cops to get “rough” when they toss people into a police vehicle. He offered the praise for flagrant retributive violence by uniformed law enforcers during a speech to cops in New York. Officers present laughed and applauded in response.

The Nazis were well known for their brutal police tactics, and that is definitely true of us today. The following photo is a powerful commentary on the transformation of police in America over the past several decades…




Trump decries the Democrats as stopping him but it's a lie. Trump signed a 1.3 trillion budget that includes funding for Planned Parenthood. Trump signs $1.3 trillion budget bill that still funds Planned Parenthood

After it was revealed that Planned Parenthood was selling the organs and body parts of aborted human beings to biotech companies, Donald Trump said he wasn't sure if the organization should lose its federal funding. He even went out of his way to praise Planned Parenthood's good work.

Reagan was no populist - he was illuminati. Reagan by the way allowed mass migration here. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Trump - all put on a show for the American people.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Trump installed Jesuit-trained Brett Kavanaugh who is not a conservative. You have to look beyond what the mainstream media is saying, and its pretend attack on Kavanaugh. The Dirt on Jesuit Brett Kavanaugh (Obamacare, Vince Foster, Abortion) and Covington & Burling

I have a friend who is gay - who is nicer than some Christians. No one should ever be bullied, looked down upon, or mistreated. Ever. I believe in love, compassion, and dignity for every single person on the earth. You never win anyone over with hate - only love. But some who are involved in sin, draw others into their sin - those who are vulnerable, like children. What adults do with another adult is absolutely no ones business, but there are sodomites who prey on children and children should always be protected first. There was a young boy a few towns over who was sodomized by three priests. I saw what it did to the parents - it destroyed them. I talked with the father, a cop, who was a broken man. I wish to God there had been some way to ease his suffering. I couldn't. All I could do was show compassion. But I had to feel his pain - not to the depth he did, but I felt it nonetheless. I also knew a lawyer who handled priest and a coach's sex abuse cases and he experienced agony at having to listen to the stories of victims and he looked to me for an explanation; I couldn't give him any. Sin usually always starts out small and grows worse in degrees. Laws are usually weakened one shade at a time. The illuminati have planned for the destruction of America a long time ago by twisting sexual identity. The young boy sodomized by the priests committed suicide. The lawyer lost his faith in God. So we see an eventual outworking of sin and unfortunately those affected are sometimes vulnerable children and then it spreads outward to the children's parents, and then to lawyers and others...

I don't have the answers - I just care about children and people in general and we should always keep the sanctity of the person formed in God's image - to see that no child - or adult - is hurt in any way. This world can be cruel.

I've seen the leadership in churches have the sin of pride, and then their pride infects others who often go along with it to stay in their good graces - so there is a lot of sin to go around. It keeps going until it spreads and then it hurts people. I watched a family operate a church and they held to the bible and christianity very loosely. They wound up cheating and hurting a lot of people. The pastor left the church and told us that they had caused so much trouble in another church that there are people who refuse to step into a church today. Scripture says that the sins of the parents pass on. The sins of others pass on. Our sins pass on - all into an ever-widening circle.

This was in the news yesterday: Lesbian couple kill 9-year-old son by cutting off his genitals to force him to transgender: https://www.newswars.com/lesbians-s...-him-transgender-by-cutting-off-his-genitals/

Ask yourself if sin is usually contained or if it spreads...often to vulnerable children. Who would do something like that to a child?

A family member works in a hospital and people flooding across our border are bringing in antibiotic-resistant TB. We should show all people compassion, but we should do it in a sensible way, so as not to hurt one group while trying to help another group. Those familiar with presidential power stated that Trump held all the power to close our border and deal with the border crisis, yet he blamed Democrats and Mexico when he held the power and didn't secure our border. This brouhaha with Mexico is just another one of his shows to mislead the American people - and it looks like it's working. I was kept from being seen in the ER because of what Trump has continued to do. Does he care? No - he and his brood will be seen when they are in need. I was left in agony and I'm to think that Trump cares about the little folks who are made to suffer because of policies he's continuing?

I supported Trump vociferously, so didn't come to this decision lightly but I see too many Christians looking the other way as Trump lies to them. They make one excuse after another. Trump is no different than Bushes, Clintons, Obama, Reagan - they're all elite, freemasons or skull and bones, and they all lied to the American people. I really don't think that an honest person not picked by the illuminati can get into the office of the presidency. I don't fully understand the hierarchy of the powers that be and don't really want to - but I do know that something is deeply wrong with Trump - I feel it in my bones.

The bottom line is to ask yourself if Trump is promoting the precepts in Scripture or not. Would God approve of what Trump is doing? Would God approve of Trump praising Planned Parenthood?

Perhaps another question to ask is if any of Trump's decisions will lead to pain or hurt to anyone. If we are honest and face the truth we'll see that Trump's policies are going to eventually lead to sorrow. Scripture says that they who sow the wind will reap the whirlwind. And those hurt often don't have to do anything wrong to suffer. Like the boy above who killed himself. They only have the bad luck of being in proximity to a person living in sin.

Perhaps I learned this lesson a little stronger than others. I was injured due to the sinful actions of another. By that I don't mean that I was mildly inconvenienced - I mean that I live every second, minute, hour, month, year in severe in-your-face pain. I don't know why God allowed it but it did make me more compassionate to others. It gave me empathy so that I know the depth of how deep pain runs and I don't want to see any human or animal suffer. But it has also forced me to examine my own life at how my sins have affected others and it's not a nice realization. The psalmist prayed "see if there be any wicked way in me.' We're all a work in progress and our views evolve as we incorporate new knowledge into our belief system. Something I believe today I may not believe tomorrow but I try to look at what Scripture says.

We all know Scripture. We need to ask ourselves if Trump is really aligning the country to fit with Scripture. Outside of throwing a few bones to Christians you'll see that he's not.

I believe Trump is "Controlled opposition."

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it." ~ Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. Arthur Schopenhauer

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

If you want much more of the truth, Sovereign Grace, you should read Gateway Pundit or Breitbart The Gateway Pundit - Where Hope Finally Made a Comeback

Breitbart News Network

 

[prism]

RK: Shortly after the attack, the Israeli Ambassador, or maybe it was the Prime Minister at the time, called on the hotline and told them [Washington] they had made a mistake and attacked the ship. So, it was shortly after the attack that everybody really knew about it, because they took responsibility and said that it was an accident.

All this from a person who doesn't know for sure?
umm, no.

 

[prism]

No, Israel is God's creation, not the devil's...

(Eze 38:8) After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
Read 1948.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

JFK warned about a ruthless conspiracy mob that relies on covert means to expand it's sphere of influence, it's infiltration instead of invasion, on subversion instead of elections, on intimidation, it's a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military-diplomatic, intelligence, economic scientific, political operations. 17/4/1961

 

[Soverign Grace]

If you want much more of the truth, Sovereign Grace, you should read Gateway Pundit or Breitbart The Gateway Pundit - Where Hope Finally Made a Comeback

Breitbart News Network

The Gateway Pundit has some pretty unnerving stories. I used to read Breitbart every day. I no longer read it because it was upsetting. I had so much hope when Trump was elected - I prayed every day and asked God that he'd be. Then I watched as one hope after another was dashed and Trump lied and blamed others, and I realized that after throwing a few bones to the right he was all lies. I think the last good president was Kennedy and they had him killed. The illuminati have been playing the Hegelian Dialectic on us for years.

Trump is moving America into a police state: the North America Union. That's why he hasn't secured our border and is flying thousands of illegals a day into cities across America. We passed through a few when we went on a road trip and the residents had bars on all their windows. Our area is full of foreigners - two separate illegals in our state just raped and murdered. And every nationality is breaking into the country: Indians, Middle-Easterners, Guatemalans, Russians - they're all coming and Trump is doing nothing. They use hospital emergency rooms as medical offices and then the hospital closes down because of it. I read that something like 7 closed in CA. I don't think Americans are going to awaken out of their slumber until they or their loved one is turned away at the hospital. The kids are taught multiculturalism in public schools but they've come out with different studies that show it doesn't work.

A group I belong to is opposing Vanila Singh who is at the head of our HHS. She and the CDC unbelievably instituted rules for prescribing to people dealing with pain syndromes which has led to a number of suicides - many who were vets - after their doctor refused to prescribe anything for the pain. The spokesperson is a highly intelligent man that has gone toe to toe with Singh - but to no avail as yet. Singh tried to push the narrative that doctors and patients are behind the opioid epidemic when they're not: it's caused by Mexican cartels moving tons of drugs across the open border and through the mail from China. It's an open secret that no one is talking about. Yet Trump refuses to use his power to secure the border even as thousands of young Americans die from the drugs flooding in, and the other thousands die because doctors and patients are blamed for the epidemic.


“Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed.”

― Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[Soverign Grace]

All this from a person who doesn't know for sure?
umm, no.

I cut and pasted that - I can't account for why he wasn't sure who it was.

 

[prism]

I cut and pasted that - I can't account for why he wasn't sure who it was.

I realized that, I was referring to the RK character in the OP.

 

[st3712]

Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

I watched that marching to Zion, yep very good points in that.

 

[st3712]

I watched that marching to Zion, yep very good points in that.

I do not follow that preacher or agree with him on many things
but in those 2 videos he is right on the truth.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

That's really well done with visuals and it answers the question. I have to watch it again.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Is Israel really biblical Israel or is it a devil's creation?

In the "Dry Bones" prophecy of Ezekiel 37, it is clear that Israel will be reestablished in unbelief. But, God will not leave them in unbelief. Unbelieving Judah (along with tiny remnants of the other tribes) is occupying the Land right now but, in the future, when God brings them through a severe test, they will know the Lord Jesus as their Savior. The lost tribes of Israel will then flow into the Land and the long-awaited Messianic Age will begin for Israel. They will burn the Talmud and follow only the Tanakh (the Old Testament) and the Brit Chadashah (the New Testament). When that happens, "all Israel be saved" (see Romans 11:25-36). Our job is to preach the gospel "to the Jew first and also the Gentile" but how can we be effective in reaching a people who believe we hate them? We need to always remember Romans 1:16--->"For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile." Those who first followed Jesus were the sons of Abraham and the prophecy that all nations would be blessed through him is still being seen. Once the full number of the Gentiles come in, God will turn to showing Himself to the people of Israel, and then He will cleanse them of false teachers/teaching and fill them with His Spirit.

 

[st3712]

In the "Dry Bones" prophecy of Ezekiel 37, it is clear that Israel will be reestablished in unbelief. But, God will not leave them in unbelief. Unbelieving Judah (along with tiny remnants of the other tribes) is occupying the Land right now but, in the future, when God brings them through a severe test, they will know the Lord Jesus as their Savior. The lost tribes of Israel will then flow into the Land and the long-awaited Messianic Age will begin for Israel. They will burn the Talmud and follow only the Tanakh (the Old Testament) and the Brit Chadashah (the New Testament). When that happens, "all Israel be saved" (see Romans 11:25-36). Our job is to preach the gospel "to the Jew first and also the Gentile" but how can we be effective in reaching a people who believe we hate them? We need to always remember Romans 1:16--->"For I am not ashamed of this Good News about Christ. It is the power of God at work, saving everyone who believes—the Jew first and also the Gentile." Those who first followed Jesus were the sons of Abraham and the prophecy that all nations would be blessed through him is still being seen. Once the full number of the Gentiles come in, God will turn to showing Himself to the people of Israel, and then He will cleanse them of false teachers/teaching and fill them with His Spirit.

The " Jesus Christ " prophecy Matthew 21:43 how do you account for it?
Please explain it to me.

I would say since it came after and was from the Messiah of Israel and the Christ the Son of the living God that it took precedence over the the "Dry Bones" prophecy of Ezekiel 37.

But I would like to hear what you have to say about it.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

The " Jesus Christ " prophecy Matthew 21:43 how do you account for it?
Please explain it to me.

Wasn't it indeed taken from them? But, I and many others believe that it was temporary--while the Lord gathered a people for Himself from among the Gentiles. That appears to be what Paul is telling us in Romans 11. The Lord wished to make the Jews jealous of the Gentiles. (Romans 11:11)

I would say since it came after and was from the Messiah of Israel and the Christ the Son of the living God that it took precedence over the the "Dry Bones" prophecy of Ezekiel 37.

Didn't it indeed take precedence? However, ALL of the prophecies MUST come to fruition--it is unthinkable that God would allow prophecy to be overturned. When has any other prophecy been overturned? Even the question of obedience was settled before Israel ever turned their back on God. He gave conditional promises of the "If-then" sort. Ex. "Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long, full life, in the Land your Lord God is giving you."(Exodus 20:12) That commandment came with a conditional promise--the children of Israel were told what would happen to them if they disobeyed. Other prophecies were given with no conditions. I cannot think of a single prophecy of the End which is given attached to a condition. Can you? (By the way, that's not rhetorical--I would really like to know if there are any? If there are, I will have to revise.)

 

[st3712]

Wasn't it indeed taken from them? But, I and many others believe that it was temporary--while the Lord gathered a people for Himself from among the Gentiles. That appears to be what Paul is telling us in Romans 11. The Lord wished to make the Jews jealous of the Gentiles. (Romans 11:11)



Didn't it indeed take precedence? However, ALL of the prophecies MUST come to fruition--it is unthinkable that God would allow prophecy to be overturned. When has any other prophecy been overturned? Even the question of obedience was settled before Israel ever turned their back on God. He gave conditional promises of the "If-then" sort. Ex. "Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long, full life, in the Land your Lord God is giving you."(Exodus 20:12) That commandment came with a conditional promise--the children of Israel were told what would happen to them if they disobeyed. Other prophecies were given with no conditions. I cannot think of a single prophecy of the End which is given attached to a condition. Can you? (By the way, that's not rhetorical--I would really like to know if there are any? If there are, I will have to revise.)

You have made some interesting comments,
I see that you believe all this to the heart.
Not just lip service. So I will address each comment
one by one for I am interested in what you have to say.

 

[st3712]

Wasn't it indeed taken from them? But, I and many others believe that it was temporary--while the Lord gathered a people for Himself from among the Gentiles. That appears to be what Paul is telling us in Romans 11. The Lord wished to make the Jews jealous of the Gentiles. (Romans 11:11)

John 10:16
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice;
and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Please connect this to what you have stated for me.
When does this come into that to which you have stated to me?

 

[st3712]

Didn't it indeed take precedence? However, ALL of the prophecies MUST come to fruition--it is unthinkable that God would allow prophecy to be overturned. When has any other prophecy been overturned?

Jonah
Chapter 3

1 And the word of the LORD
came unto Jonah the second time, saying,

2 Arise, go unto Nineveh, that great city,
and preach unto it the preaching that I bid thee.

3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh,
according to the word of the LORD.
Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.

4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey,
and he cried, and said, Yet forty days,
and Nineveh shall be overthrown.

5 So the people of Nineveh believed God,
and proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth,
from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh,
and he arose from his throne, and he laid his robe from him,
and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.

7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through
Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying,
Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste any thing:
let them not feed, nor drink water:

8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth,
and cry mightily unto God: yea, let them turn every
one from his evil way, and from the violence that
is in their hands.

9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent,
and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not?

10 And God saw their works,
that they turned from their evil way;
and God repented of the evil,
that he had said that he would do unto them;
and he did it not.

 

[st3712]

Other prophecies were given with no conditions. I cannot think of a single prophecy of the End which is given attached to a condition. Can you?

Revelation 3:5
He that overcometh,
the same shall be clothed in white raiment;
and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life,
but I will confess his name before my Father,
and before his angels.