Is heaven only for Christians? - That's convenient

[St. SteVen]

Sure, this incident does “good for the devil”!
It has reinforced your belief in interfaith, hasn’t it?

Come on, you’re smart enough to see through this deception. The purpose behind it.

You didn't watch the video, obviously.

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[Aunty Jane]

What that Hindu saw does no good for the devil.
He talked to Jesus on the throne. Who sent him back with a mission.

Deception always does good for the devil….since there is no immortal soul that can leave the body at death, who or what visited Jesus on his throne? And what mission did he send him on? The internet is full of these “near death” encounters. Atheists, Hindus, Buddhists, Muslims, and even Catholic priests and nuns have had these “experiences”. The devil is having a lend of them to promote his first lie.

Can the devil play with a dying brain? He will take advantage of every opportunity to promote his deceptions.

If we don’t know the difference between “immortality of the soul” and “resurrection”, then we are in trouble.…open to the deception that ‘we don’t really die’. That in turn paved the way for “hell” to be invented as a scare tactic for the corrupted church system to control the people with fear.

An immortal soul cannot die…..so there is no mention of an immortal soul in any verse of the Bible (Eccl 9:5, 10).…but the resurrection means that the dead are “asleep” in their graves awaiting the call from Jesus to come back to life……for the majority that will be here on earth where God created us to live. (John 5:28-29)

A small number are specially chosen for a role in heaven (Rev 20:6) but the majority believe that they are all going there, without a single idea as to why….or what they will do there.

What did God tell Adam? In sentencing him for his actions, God said…
”In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” (Gen 3:19)

If there was a “heaven or hell” scenario in place, why did God not tell Adam about where he was going? If ayone deserved this ”hell of eternal torment” then shouldn’t the one who caused the death and suffering of the entire human race have gone there?

Please don’t believe everything you hear or see on the internet….the master deceiver uses it convincingly to his best advantage. If you know the truth, you cannot be deceived by the lies.

 

[Brakelite]

Hell will be filled with people who don't believe in Hell!

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And BILLIONS of humans will receive the exact same future. Jesus said so.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

So God grants sinners eternal life as well as the saved? Both live forever only at different addresses??

 

[Jack]

So God grants sinners eternal life as well as the saved? Both live forever only at different addresses??

I prefer Jesus' description, EVERLASTING fire.

 

[quietthinker]

This was the "Why only us?" question I had to grapple with as a young adult.

Is it true? Heaven is only for Christians? What does that even mean?

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I don't think heaven has religious designations. What it has is the joy of life.

Many will ask Jesus, 'If someone asks, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ they will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’ Zechariah 13:6

The Patriachs; the many millions who didn't know Jesus by the name of Jesus or his sojourn on Earth, not to mention large slabs of those who lived after Jesus...including me....will have a steep and protracted learning curve.

The wonder of God's magnanimity (the cross) will be the science and the song of the redeemed throughout the ceaseless ages of eternity. EGW.

 

[Brakelite]

You did not make that clear enough . Even i thought its what you meant .
That is why ST STEVEN LOVED IT . HE too thought that .
Go back and make sure to remind all of the DIRE necessity to beleive on JESUS .
cause a lot of people will read what you say and probably take it wrong too .

I think it was clear I was only talking about those in heaven, answering the question, will all those in heaven be "Christians". What I said...

It means that whoever does finally find themselves in heaven, it will be a surprise to many others, possibly a surprise to themselves, but without exception, all will be there because of what Jesus accomplished on Calvary. Does that designate them all as Christians? Not necessarily. Nor does it designate them all as Catholics, Protestants, or even simply "believers". One other thing they will all have in common. They, each and every one, will have been living life to the full and in harmony to the measure of light on truth that they had received. None of them would have completed knowledge. Any more so than any of us. But all would have been heading in that direction, the tendency of their motives and actions, mistakes notwithstanding, evidence that the Spirit of God was steering them towards that one goal...an intimate and fully surrendered relationship with Jesus, so that in the end, Jesus could declare before all the angels in heaven, I know him.

Was not an apologetic for universalism, but let us not underestimate the grace of God. All those who will ultimately be saved will be so solely because of the blood of Christ, who gave Himself as the redemption price for the whole world. That does not mean the whole world will avail themselves of that generous and unearned gift. Not does it mean such salvation is reserved only for those who understand the gospel as we understand it. Remember, we are saved by faith, not knowledge. There will be many in heaven I believe who studied nature and concluded there is a Creator who is worthy of honour and obedience. They may never have darkened the portals of a church building, nor heard the name of Jesus.
“14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) 16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel. ”
Romans 2:14-16 KJV

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[Brakelite]

I prefer Jesus' description, EVERLASTING fire.

Again, you refuse to actually engage in conversation but resort to meaningless one liners.

So God grants sinners eternal life as well as the saved? Both live forever only at different addresses??

Can you answer the questions posed please.

 

[Jack]

Again, you refuse to actually engage in conversation but resort to meaningless one liners.

Can you answer the questions posed please.

You don't like Biblical answers.

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And BILLIONS of humans will receive the exact same future. Jesus said so.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

 

[St. SteVen]

All those who will ultimately be saved will be so solely because of the blood of Christ, who gave Himself as the redemption price for the whole world.

BINGO!
The atonement was a complete work.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

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[St. SteVen]

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And BILLIONS of humans will receive the exact same future. Jesus said so.

That is absolutely sick.
Is that the business God is in?

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[Jack]

That is absolutely sick.
Is that the business God is in?

I quote Jesus. You call it sick. Good luck on Judgment Day!

 

[Jack]

BINGO!
The atonement was a complete work.

It's HIGHLY conditional upon believing and serving God.

Mk 16 Remember? It's in all the new English translations.

 

[quietthinker]

Again, you refuse to actually engage in conversation but resort to meaningless one liners.

Can you answer the questions posed please.

I think Jack believes he is bound for everlasting fire but hopes to win a reprieve by quoting scripture. If I am wrong he can correct me.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You don't like Biblical answers.

The answers you give are a complete distortion of Scripture….

Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

And BILLIONS of humans will receive the exact same future. Jesus said so.

He also said that the dead sleep. Where was Lazarus before Jesus resurrected him? (John 11:11-14)

In Rev 20:13-14 “death and hades” are cast into the lake of fire……can you literally throw death and hell into a fire….c’mon Jack, do some study and throw away Christendom’s lies. You pretend to know what the Bible says but you have no idea.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Fire in the Bible is often linked to destruction, but not to torture. In fact there was not a single penalty under God’s law that required torture of any kind. Death was the highest penalty anyone could pay for any crime.

The fact that you seem to relish the thought of billions suffering in hell for all eternity, when the Bible does not teach this, says a lot about you.

 

[Jack]

I think Jack believes he is bound for everlasting fire but hopes to win a reprieve by quoting scripture. If I am wrong he can correct me.

But you said Jesus was wrong about the Genesis Flood. So much for your credibility!

 

[Jack]

The answers you give are a complete distortion of Scripture….

Aunty you know you obey your GB masters. Don't accuse others of distortion!

He also said that the dead sleep.

No Scripture

Where was Lazarus before Jesus resurrected him? (John 11:11-14)

Why don't you quote the Scripture? It's not so difficult. I do it all the time.

In Rev 20:13-14 “death and hades” are cast into the lake of fire……can you literally throw death and hell into a fire….c’mon Jack, do some study and throw away Christendom’s lies. You pretend to know what the Bible says but you have no idea.

You conveniently avoided quoting the rest.

Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!

Fire in the Bible is often linked to destruction, but not to torture.

No Scripture? Of course not!

In fact there was not a single penalty under God’s law that required torture of any kind. Death was the highest penalty anyone could pay for any crime.

Hell will be filled with people who wish they don't exist!

The fact that you seem to relish the thought of billions suffering in hell for all eternity,

SEEM is your JW false accusation! I don't want you to burn in Hell!

when the Bible does not teach this, says a lot about you.

But you said Jesus' doctrine and CYB Statement of Faith are Satanic. Why would any Christian believe that blasphemy?

 

[Nancy]

Maybe they did. There are three groups of people who have ever lived:

Those who have heard the gospel and responded to it. Only their works are judged, but not their salvation.
Those who have heard the gospel and rejected it. They are judged and condemned to eternally atone for their own sins.
Those who have died in ignorance.

The third group is really what you're getting at. Is there a pathway for them to be saved? I don't know, perhaps. They will certainly be judged, and claiming ignorance will not enough save them. So, they can only be judged on what they knew and how they responded to it. God is revealed through nature (Rom 1:20), and we are all born with a conscience (Rom 2:14–15). I suspect how they responded to that limited revelation will have a bearing on how they are judged. Rather they heard the gospel or not, they were still presented with a choice.

It seems to me that all people WILL hear the gospel:​

Matthew 24:14​

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

Romans 1:19-20​

"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

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John 14:6​

"Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."

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Revelation 14:6-7 "an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people. And he said with a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come, and worship him who made heaven and earth, the sea and the springs of water."​

Romans 1:20​

"For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse."

Revelation 14:6​

"Then I saw another angel flying directly overhead, with an eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on earth, to every nation and tribe and language and people."

Acts 4:12​

"And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved."

 

[quietthinker]

Why don't you quote the Scripture? It's not so difficult. I do it all the time.

The Pharisee's quoted scripture in the hope of gaining a win with Jesus....so did Satan. The deliberate choice to misunderstand ensues their demise.
Yes, one can quote scripture forever while distorting and self justifying....but even that knowledge wont stop those intent on assuaging a perceived rightness.
.....and as John said in Matthew 23:33 ' Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

 

[Jack]

The Pharisee's quoted scripture in the hope of gaining a win with Jesus....so did Satan. The deliberate choice to misunderstand ensues their demise.
Yes, one can quote scripture forever while distorting and self justifying....but even that knowledge wont stop those intent on assuaging a perceived rightness.
.....and as John said in Matthew 23:33 ' Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

And Hell Fire is FOREVER! Jesus said so.

 

[NotTheRock]

This was the "Why only us?" question I had to grapple with as a young adult.

Is it true? Heaven is only for Christians? What does that even mean?

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Apparently only those who follow Jesus enter Heaven. So, yes, it is only for those who follow Christ. But, of course, before the culmination of the ages, ALL will be following Christ and so ALL who were previously Jews, atheists, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc., will ALL be in Heaven!