Is anyone else a Seer?

[JLB]

I don't understand your point concerning 1 Peter chapter one. This secret concerning the body of Christ was hidden in God, and this is why the prophets who spoke and wrote God’s Word had to search diligently to find out the length of time that was between “the sufferings of Christ, and the glory.” They could not find anything to tell them if the glory would follow the sufferings immediately, or if there would be a period of time between them. The prophets revealed “the sufferings” and saw the glory that followed, but they did not know “what” it was or the length of time between “the sufferings” and the appearing of Christ, and that is what those prophets searched diligently to find.

The prophets spoke by the Spirit of Christ; The Spirit of Jesus Christ, The Spirit of the LORD God.

• the Spirit of Christ who was in them

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11

Whenever you see a Prophet saying, "thus says the LORD", it was Christ in Them the Spirit of the LORD Jesus Christ, YHWH.

Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel:
“For your sake I will send to Babylon, And bring them all down as fugitives—
The Chaldeans, who rejoice in their ships.
I am the LORD, your Holy One,
The Creator of Israel, your King.”
Isaiah 43:14-15


He is the LORD, YHWH the LORD God who became flesh.

 

[Behold]

I was banned from that forum defending the reformers--your prerogative to call them agents of Satan with cunning, Satanic art of accusing God falsely, I see it differently.

Brightframe, was just teaching that infants who died, and are not of "the Elect", go to Hell , then the Lake of fire, because they are pre-destined by God to burn, because God didn't "elect" them as "infants".

I teach that this is insane Theology, created by a demonically insane "group"... So, call it Calvinism, or TULIP< or Hyper Calvinism".... its all the same doctrine of devils.

Also, you are very interested in what a lot of men teach, as THEIR THEOLOGY, who are not found in the NT.
You post a lot of "this man said, and that man said, and i read that that man teaches",.. yet, none of them are listed in a BIBLE.
So, what all your MEN... that you "cut and paste",... teach.... is of no interest to me...
I just dont care about "men's" theology, unless the MEN are in the New Testament.

I deal with a lot of Catholics, and they always want to post ... "church fathers"... and that is what they follow.
I really dont.
I have a bible, it has the NT in it, and that is all i need.

Does that mean that i was not taught by great men, or that my Seminary training was not performed by men.... i dont listen to sermons, ?
Of course not.
But, i would never come to a forum, and post what some MAN said,.. who wrote a book, or posted a Video...or was recognized as a scholar, to try to prove anything.
The NT is the End Game. Paul's Doctrine is the final word, on "Doctrine" and "Theology"., and if some man agrees completely with Paul's doctrine, and not with Calvin or the Pope or Muhammed, then that one is useful, potentially.

 

[Johann]

Also, you are very interested in what a lot of men teach, as THEIR THEOLOGY, who are not found in the NT.
You post a lot of "this man said, and that man said, and i read that that man teaches",.. yet, none of them are listed in a BIBLE.
So, what all you MEN... that you "cut and paste",... teach.... is of no interest to me...
I just dont care about "men's" theology, unless the MEN are in the New Testament.

Don't know if you have noticed, but I don't post "commentaries" and really not interested in instant noodles on Google search--I believe what I post is biblical sound and can be "tweaked" since no one can boast he has his theology or doctrine 100% correct and take heed to Peter's warning re the writings of our brother Paul.

And I have discernment to "cut and paste" MEN who I believe are sound in their exposition and exegesis of Scriptures.

 

[Peterlag]

The prophets spoke by the Spirit of Christ; The Spirit of Jesus Christ, The Spirit of the LORD God.

• the Spirit of Christ who was in them

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11

Whenever you see a Prophet saying, "thus says the LORD", it was Christ in Them the Spirit of the LORD Jesus Christ, YHWH.

Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel:
“For your sake I will send to Babylon, And bring them all down as fugitives—
The Chaldeans, who rejoice in their ships.
I am the LORD, your Holy One,
The Creator of Israel, your King.”
Isaiah 43:14-15


He is the LORD, YHWH the LORD God who became flesh.

God was the Lord in the Old Testament. He did not make Jesus both Lord and Christ until Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

 

[Peterlag]

I do not agree--
Examination of 1 Timothy 3:16 in the Early Church (1st Century)

1 Timothy 3:16 (Greek and English):
Καὶ ὁμολογουμένως μέγα ἐστὶν τὸ τῆς εὐσεβείας μυστήριον· Ὃς ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί, ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι, ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις, ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν, ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ, ἀνελήμφθη ἐν δόξῃ.
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory."

Early Church Interpretation and Teachings:
1 Timothy 3:16 is a Christological hymn that encapsulates key aspects of the mystery of godliness, focusing on the incarnation, vindication, and exaltation of Christ. Early Church Fathers and Christian writers referenced similar themes in their writings, though a direct exposition on this specific verse in the first century is scarce. However, the core doctrines expressed in this passage were central to the early Christian faith.

Early Church Figures and Their Teachings:
Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35-108 AD):

Christology: Ignatius emphasized the reality of Christ’s incarnation and His dual nature as both fully divine and fully human. In his letters, he often spoke of Christ as "God in the flesh."
Writings: In his letter to the Ephesians, Ignatius wrote, "There is one Physician who is possessed both of flesh and spirit; both made and not made; God existing in flesh; true life in death; both of Mary and of God; first passible and then impassible, even Jesus Christ our Lord."
Polycarp of Smyrna (c. 69-155 AD):

Apostolic Witness: Polycarp, a disciple of John the Apostle, upheld the teachings of the apostles, emphasizing Christ’s work and divine nature.
Writings: Although his extant writings are limited, in his letter to the Philippians, he stressed the importance of Christ’s incarnation and redemptive work.
Clement of Rome (c. 35-99 AD):

Epistle to the Corinthians: Clement, an early bishop of Rome, wrote extensively about the humility and suffering of Christ. His writings reflect an early understanding of Christ’s divine mission.

Christological Hymns: Although Clement did not directly comment on 1 Timothy 3:16, his epistle includes creedal statements and hymns that echo the Christological themes found in this verse.

Key Teachings Reflected in 1 Timothy 3:16:
Incarnation (ἐφανερώθη ἐν σαρκί): The early Church
firmly held that Jesus Christ was God incarnate, as seen in the writings of Ignatius and Clement.

Justification (ἐδικαιώθη ἐν πνεύματι): Early Christian writings frequently mention the vindication of Christ through His resurrection and the role of the Holy Spirit.

Witness of Angels (ὤφθη ἀγγέλοις): Early theologians acknowledged the angelic proclamation of Christ's birth and resurrection.
Universal Proclamation (ἐκηρύχθη ἐν ἔθνεσιν): The mission to preach the gospel to all nations was a foundational aspect of early Christian teaching, as seen in the Acts of the Apostles and the writings of early Church Fathers.

Belief in the World (ἐπιστεύθη ἐν κόσμῳ): The spread of Christianity and the belief in Christ across different cultures and regions were emphasized by early Church leaders.

Ascension and Glorification (ἀνελήμφθη ἐν δόξῃ): The ascension of Christ and His exalted state were celebrated in early Christian creeds and liturgies.

Summary:
While there is no direct commentary on 1 Timothy 3:16 from the first century, the themes expressed in this verse are echoed in the writings and teachings of early Church Fathers such as Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, and Clement of Rome. These early Christian leaders emphasized the core doctrines of the incarnation, justification, angelic witness, universal proclamation, global belief, and the ascension and glorification of Christ, which align closely with the content of 1 Timothy 3:16.

Believe it or not.
J.

Taught!!! Not just a verse here and a verse somewhere else. Whole chapters teaching it. There's none. Nowhere. Not in the Old or New Testament.

 

[Johann]

Taught!!! Not just a verse here and a verse somewhere else. Whole chapters teaching it. There's none. Nowhere. Not in the Old or New Testament.

I take it you don't believe Jesus is God-right?

 

[Hillsage]

Jesus Christ is the Son of God; God the Son who became flesh.

That is not nonsense.

Well, it's not exactly biblical either as far as I'm concerned.

I believe half a dozen scriptures say "JESUS CHRIST" is the "SON OF GOD" or "SON OF THE FATHER".
I don't think any verses say "CHRIST JESUS" is the son of God
No verse anywhere says anything about 'God the Son.....anything'.

Scripture does say where the BODY/flesh of Jesus came from.

JOH 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

JOH 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The "spirit of Christ" in that body of FLESH (WORD) is what made Jesus the Christ the son of God. And 'that' son never existed until he was born of the virgin Mary.

I was a Catholic, and was taught to believe that Mary was the "Mother of God". I no longer believe that. It makes no more sense than what you believe concerning Jesus when Jesus didn't exist, but the WORD did.

The Spirit of the LORD Jesus Christ spoke through the mouth of the prophets, before He became flesh.

Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11

This verse says nothing about "Jesus"....because, when the prophets had 'the holy spirit of Christ' inspire them to prophesy there was no "Jesus the Christ". And IMO that spirit of Christ wasn't DWELLING in them. It only was in them for the time they were to speak under inspiration. But I can't say that with a verse.

Here is an example -
The Son created all things as YHWH the LORD God.

The Son created NOTHING....the WORD did. And even then it was "GOD"/ELOHIM (pl) who created all things in Genesis.
I like to say the FATHER thought it, the WORD spoke it, the HOLY SPIRIT did it. And 'the WORD' didn't do any of it as FLESH.

 

[Peterlag]

I take it you don't believe Jesus is God-right?

Such a concept seems to me would be important and therefore taught. And it is not. Nor is it in any writings in the literature of the day in the first 3 centuries.

 

[Johann]

Such a concept seems to me would be important and therefore taught. And it is not. Nor is it in any writings in the literature of the day in the first 3 centuries.

Yet we have the Scriptures and you cannot see it--anyways, I respect your opinion and won't impose.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Or well, now I'm in love with you again. How will I find you there?

charismaticlady

 

[Peterlag]

Yet we have the Scriptures and you cannot see it--anyways, I respect your opinion and won't impose.

There's nothing to see. There's no teaching on it. All that the Catholics have is a verse here and a verse there all that are either taken out of context or twisted in such a way that it does not fit with the culture of the day it was written in. But I'm not talking about verses. I'm talking about whole chapters explaining it like we have with all the many other important subjects. There's none on this subject.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I have entered the trinity subject on that other site.

Wonderful! Have fun!

 

[JLB]

God was the Lord in the Old Testament. He did not make Jesus both Lord and Christ until Jesus was resurrected from the dead.

Have a nice day.

 

[Peterlag]

Have a nice day.

Here's the verse...

Acts:2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

 

[Johann]

Acts:2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Acts 2:36 is a crucial verse in Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost, shortly after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. This verse encapsulates a powerful declaration about Jesus Christ:

Audience: Peter addresses "all the house of Israel," emphasizing that his message is directed towards the Jewish people gathered in Jerusalem for the festival of Pentecost.

Declaration: Peter proclaims that God has made Jesus, whom they crucified, "both Lord and Christ." This statement carries significant theological weight:

Lordship of Jesus: By calling Jesus "Lord," Peter asserts His divine authority and sovereignty. In Jewish tradition, "Lord" (Greek: κύριος, kyrios) often refers to God Himself. Peter's declaration implies that Jesus holds a divine status.

Christ: "Christ" (Greek: Χριστός, Christos) translates the Hebrew "Messiah" and signifies Jesus as the promised Savior and Anointed One prophesied in the Old Testament scriptures.

Implications: This declaration challenges Peter's audience to recognize Jesus not merely as a historical figure or a teacher but as the fulfillment of God's promises and the center of God's redemptive plan.

Context: Acts 2 records the events of Pentecost, where the Holy Spirit descends upon the apostles, empowering them to speak in languages understood by the diverse crowd gathered in Jerusalem. Peter's sermon follows, explaining the significance of these events in light of Old Testament prophecy and affirming Jesus as the crucified and resurrected Messiah.

In theological discussions, Acts 2:36 is pivotal for understanding the early Christian proclamation of Jesus' lordship, his role as the Christ, and the implications of these beliefs for both Jewish and Gentile audiences.

 

[Peterlag]

Acts 2:36 is a crucial verse in Peter's sermon on the day of Pentecost, shortly after the outpouring of the Holy Spirit. This verse encapsulates a powerful declaration about Jesus Christ:

Audience: Peter addresses "all the house of Israel," emphasizing that his message is directed towards the Jewish people gathered in Jerusalem for the festival of Pentecost.

Declaration: Peter proclaims that God has made Jesus, whom they crucified, "both Lord and Christ." This statement carries significant theological weight:

Lordship of Jesus: By calling Jesus "Lord," Peter asserts His divine authority and sovereignty. In Jewish tradition, "Lord" (Greek: κύριος, kyrios) often refers to God Himself. Peter's declaration implies that Jesus holds a divine status.

Christ: "Christ" (Greek: Χριστός, Christos) translates the Hebrew "Messiah" and signifies Jesus as the promised Savior and Anointed One prophesied in the Old Testament scriptures.

Implications: This declaration challenges Peter's audience to recognize Jesus not merely as a historical figure or a teacher but as the fulfillment of God's promises and the center of God's redemptive plan.

Context: Acts 2 records the events of Pentecost, where the Holy Spirit descends upon the apostles, empowering them to speak in languages understood by the diverse crowd gathered in Jerusalem. Peter's sermon follows, explaining the significance of these events in light of Old Testament prophecy and affirming Jesus as the crucified and resurrected Messiah.

In theological discussions, Acts 2:36 is pivotal for understanding the early Christian proclamation of Jesus' lordship, his role as the Christ, and the implications of these beliefs for both Jewish and Gentile audiences.

Acts 2:36 does not say Jesus the Lord. It says God made him Lord. Both Lord and Christ meaning he was not that before he was resurrected.

 

[Johann]

Acts 2:36 does not say Jesus the Lord. It says God made him Lord. Both Lord and Christ meaning he was not that before he was resurrected

Acts 2:36
all. Jer_2:4; Jer_9:26; Jer_31:31; Jer_33:14, Eze_34:30; Eze_39:25-29, Zec_13:1, Rom_9:3-6.
the house of Israel. Act_2:22, Act_3:25-26; Act_7:42; *Act_13:26; *Act_13:46, Eze_36:32; Eze_36:37, Mat_10:6; Mat_15:24, Luk_1:33, Heb_8:8; Heb_8:10.
know. Gr. ginōskō, Joh_8:55 note. Psa_20:6.
assuredly. Act_16:23, Mar_14:44.
that God. +Mat_28:18, +**Luk_1:32, +Heb_3:2.
hath made. Psa_45:3-8, *Isa_53:12, +*Joh_14:28, Heb_3:2 g.
that same Jesus. Act_2:22-23; Act_2:32, +*Act_1:11; Act_3:6; *Act_4:11; *Act_4:12; Act_5:30-31; =Act_7:35; Act_10:36-42; Act_17:3, *Psa_2:1-8; *Psa_2:12, Mat_22:32; Mat_28:18-20, **Joh_3:35; **Joh_3:36; *Joh_5:22-29; Joh_12:16; Joh_13:3; Joh_13:31, Rom_14:8-12, *2Co_5:10, +*1Th_4:16 note. **2Th_1:7-10.
whom ye have crucified. +Act_2:23, Act_4:10, Lev_3:2, Psa_68:18, 2Co_13:4.
both Lord. Act_7:35, +Luk_2:11, Joh_21:7, Rom_14:9, 2Co_4:5, Eph_4:5, *Php_2:9-11.
and Christ. Act_17:3; +Act_18:5, Mat_16:20, +Luk_2:11; +Luk_2:26; +Luk_2:34, 1Co_8:6, 2Co_4:5.

I'll let you figure this one out.

 

[Johann]

There's nothing for me to figure out concerning the above post. Jesus is not God and he never was and he will never be. The Catholics fed you a bunch of BS and you bought it.

Confusion reigns.

1. Matthew 7:21-22
Text: "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?'"
Significance: Jesus speaks of people calling him "Lord," indicating that he was recognized with this title during his ministry.

2. Matthew 8:2
Text: "A man with leprosy came and knelt before him and said, 'Lord, if you are willing, you can make me clean.'"
Significance: The leper addresses Jesus as "Lord," showing reverence and acknowledging his authority to heal.

3. Luke 5:8
Text: "When Simon Peter saw this, he fell at Jesus' knees and said, 'Go away from me, Lord; I am a sinful man!'"
Significance: Peter calls Jesus "Lord" after witnessing the miraculous catch of fish, recognizing his divine authority.

4. John 11:27
Text: "'Yes, Lord,' she replied, 'I believe that you are the Messiah, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.'"
Significance: Martha addresses Jesus as "Lord" and confesses her belief in his messianic identity.

5. John 13:13
Text: "You call me 'Teacher' and 'Lord,' and rightly so, for that is what I am."
Significance: Jesus acknowledges the title "Lord" given to him by his disciples, affirming its appropriateness.

6. Mark 2:28
Text: "So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."
Significance: Jesus refers to himself as "Lord of the Sabbath," indicating his authority over Jewish law and traditions.

7. Luke 19:31, 34
Text: "'If anyone asks you, "Why are you untying it?" say, "The Lord needs it."' ... They replied, 'The Lord needs it.'"
Significance: Jesus instructs his disciples to use the title "Lord" when explaining why they are untying the colt, indicating that he was known by this title.
Summary
These references demonstrate that Jesus was called "Lord" during his earthly ministry, both by his followers and in his own declarations. The title "Lord" (Greek: Kyrios) signifies recognition of his authority and divinity. Acts 2:36, therefore, reinforces and publicly declares Jesus' lordship in light of his resurrection and exaltation, confirming what his disciples and others had already acknowledged during his life.

No need to reply.

 

[Johann]

There's nothing for me to figure out concerning the above post. Jesus is not God and he never was and he will never be. The Catholics fed you a bunch of BS and you bought it.

Let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ - Don't misunderstand this statement. Peter is not saying that God the Father will MAKE Jesus something (someone) that He was not before His incarnation. Beloved, Jesus has ALWAYS been Lord and Christ (Messiah), but by His death, resurrection and exaltation the Father "installs" (so to speak) Him in His rightful exalted position before all creation or as Peter says in Acts 10:36 "He is Lord of all!"

It is worth noting that Peter's sermon repeatedly emphasizes the central role of God the Father.

Acts 2:17 In the last days God says that I will pour forth of My Spirit
Acts 2:22 Jesus the Nazarene, a man attested to you by God
Acts 2:22 miracles and wonders and signs which God performed through Him in your midst,
Acts 2:23 this Man, delivered up by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God,
Acts 2:24 God raised Him up again, putting an end to the agony of death,
Acts 2:30 God had sworn to David to seat one of his descendants (MESSIAH) upon his throne
Acts 2:32 This Jesus God raised up again
Acts 2:33 Exalted to the right hand of God
Acts 2:33 Received the promise of the Spirit from the Father (only time called Father)
Acts 2:36 God has made Him both Lord and Christ.

Both Lord and Christ this Jesus - Peter used the word Lord (kurios) in Acts 2:34 to describe the Messiah in Psalm 110:1 and now he applies kurios to Jesus (Iesous). Peter is saying, based on the evidence of Jesus' life, death, resurrection and exaltation, this Jesus they killed was not simply a man, but in fact was God (Lord) and Messiah (Christ). He had described Him as Messiah (Christ) in Acts 2:31 but now adds that He is Lord.


F F Bruce - He was exalted not only as Messiah, but as Lord. The first apostolic sermon leads up to the first apostolic creed: “Jesus is Lord” (cf. Ro 10:9+; 1 Cor. 12:3; Phil. 2:11+) – “Lord” not only as the bearer of a courtesy title, but as bearer of “the name which is above every name” (Phil. 2:9+). To a Jew, there was only one name “above every name” – the Ineffable Name of the God of Israel, represented in synagogue reading and in the LXX text by the title “Lord.” And that the apostles meant to give Jesus the title “Lord” in this highest sense of all is indicated by the way in which they do not hesitate on occasion to apply to Him passages of OT scripture referring to Jehovah. Indeed, in this very context it may well be that the promise “that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered” (Joel 2:32) is viewed as being fulfilled in those members of Peter’s audience who repentantly invoke Jesus as Lord. (NICNT-Acts)

Lord (2962)(kurios) means the supreme one, the owner, the one in control. The Jews would be very familiar with this title as the Name of God for kurios was used in the Septuagint Scriptures in every place the Hebrew Name Jehovah was found. The Jews considered Jehovah or Yahweh too holy to pronounce, and so they substituted the word kurios. It follows that Peter's use of kurios was clearly understood by his Jewish audience as a reference to God.

And not surprisingly, Jesus is referred to as Lord repeatedly in Acts - Acts 4:33; 8:16; 15:11; 16:31; 21:13; 28:31. Do you (I) treat Jesus as "Lord?" I'm not speaking of just mouthing the word "Lord," but actually daily living (enabled by His Spirit) in light of the full orbed significance of all that the word kurios entails!

Get your act together and don't "lag"

 

[marks]

To a Jew, there was only one name “above every name” – the Ineffable Name of the God of Israel, represented in synagogue reading and in the LXX text by the title “Lord.”

Exactly!

So when Paul applied Isaiah's prophecy to Jesus,

Philippians 2:9-11
(9) Because of this also God highly exalted Him and gave Him a name above every name,
(10) that at the name of Jesus "every knee should bow," of heavenly ones, and earthly ones, and ones under the earth,
(11) and "every tongue should confess" that Jesus Christ is "Lord," to the glory of God the Father. Isa. 45:23

he would have, as would his Jewish readers, considered it utter blasphemy if Jesus were not in fact the God of the Bible.

Much love!