Is anyone else a Seer?
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He did not see the future. He saw the flat tire before you saw it. And if you're thinking about the foretelling of Jesus. It's because He knew what He was going to do. God’s purpose is a deliberately conceived plan, proposed for action because only God’s purpose can triumph in the end, and only God’s purpose is certain and sure, since God’s existence cannot be separated from His purpose. People are able to have their own purpose and even pursue them in the short run. God’s purpose is His eternal will and plan, as it always was and always will be unchangeable on the earth or in heaven.
Carl Emerson
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So you confirm your position that God can't see what will happen in the future.
That means He is subject to the time/space universe He created...
Not many will agree with you on that.
Not many will agree with me because the churches teach what the Catholics taught them starting 14 hundred years ago. No one prior to Augustine, suspected that above this freely generated warfare there existed an even more fundamental explanation whereby an all-good and all-determination blueprint existed in the mind and will of God.
Hillsage
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Was thinking earlier of this very verse in Psa.
So, of course God knows the prehistoric past ages as well as the ages YET to come. To think He doesn't know what's happening in those ages....is as dumb as trying to pick fly spots out of spilled pepper.
That was taught long ago and I can't quote a verse to confirm it. But a few years back I did stumble on to an unusual translation which made me think.
ECC 11:5 As you do not know how the spirit comes to the bones in the womb of a woman with child, so you do not know the work of God who makes everything.
The 'outline' for bones to be formed starts at 7 weeks with actual calcified bone beginning at 10 weeks.
So you think something can happen before it happens and you can be there to see it happen before it happens?
What do you call it when someone misrepresents something to make it sound ridiculous? Well, I can't think of the word. I think there is one.
Regardless, No, I do not think something happens before it happens.
Much love!
“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Zechariah 12:10
The Spirit of the Lord Jesus Christ spoke through the mouth of Zechariah proclaiming the suffering He would endure, because He saw that day. He sees the end from the beginning, because He is the Alpha and Omega, the First and Last; The Beginning and the End.
“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.” Revelation 22:12-13
Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11
JLB
I don't believe God telling what would happen to Jesus means it already happened and they can see it by rewinding the tapes. I believe God knew what would happen because He's smart and thus, told what would happen before it did. I can do the same and I'm not even God. I can say to you right now that if I went to a certain part of town next week and started to walk 3 blocks that I would be dead before I finished the intended walk.
It was Jesus Himself before He became flesh, (The Spirit of Christ) speaking through the mouth of the prophets, testifying what He would suffer and endure.
It wasn't just a good guess... He foresaw the future of when He would walk this earth as the Messiah; as a flesh and blood Man.
“And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
Zechariah 12:10
Hi Peter,
What you are describing about making the future happen is the limitation that Satan has in telling the future. That is why psychics tell the future, but are not 100% accurate. God on the other hand is.
The scripture teaches Jesus is God (God the Son) who created all things and became flesh.
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:1-3,14
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory. 1 Timothy 3:16
1 Timothy 3:16 is not something I made up.
Oh I see... you think 1 Timothy 3:16 means Jesus is God.
There are some Greek manuscripts that read, “God appeared in the flesh.” This reading of some Greek manuscripts has passed into some English versions, and the King James Version is one of them. The reading of the earliest and best manuscripts is not “God” but rather “he who.” Almost all the modern versions have the verse as “the mystery of godliness is great, which was manifest in the flesh,” or some close equivalent.
New International Version
Beyond all question, the mystery from which true godliness springs is great: He appeared in the flesh, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory.
English Standard Version
Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness: He was manifested in the flesh, vindicated by the Spirit, seen by angels, proclaimed among the nations, believed on in the world, taken up in glory.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
And this Mystery of Righteousness is truly great, which was revealed in the flesh and was justified in The Spirit; He appeared to Angels and was preached among the Gentiles; He was trusted in the world and he ascended into glory.
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