Is anyone else a Seer?

[Peterlag]

Its the use of tyranny that is flat out wrong.

YHWH made Creation and rightfully has all power. That he may delegate power has nothing to do with the OP, that some of us are seers.

The OP is suggesting there are people called Seers who are different from Prophets in that they can see special things and also see into the future like Prophets and I'm saying nobody sees into the future.

 

[Peterlag]

Yes we all have choices and he knows how we will choose.

However ultimate free will is a myth because we are born Human and that defines limits.

Yes many are called and few are chosen.

The sticking point all comes back to your insistence that God is bound by time and cant see the future.

It is not surprising that you don't relate to John's Revelation because it is full of God's knowledge of the future.

I stay out of Revelation because it's mostly all about Israel and I'm a Christian. Now on this time thing. You know God is outside of time. No problem so far. Then you make the jump to believe that if one is outside of time that they can see stuff that has not happened yet.

 

[Peterlag]

It is not ultimately about power, but Love.

Covenant was made and power was shared but misused by Satan - read Job.

We seem to be talking about 2 different things. I'm talking about God who sees into the future and therefore controls everything. When I realized God does not know the future was when I realized He is not in control. This was when I realized such a concept of having God in control put me in a state of not being in control. Such thinking caused me to ask for what I should have had based on what He had already designed for me. So what if He designed nothing for me because He is not in control of my life like if I were a puppet? Then it would have been nothing all those years that I was praying to receive. Realizing such a concept was never true has put me in control of my own spiritual life.

 

[Peterlag]

Jesus spoke of events before they happened in detail, so did the prophets.

But you believe what you want to for whatever reason.

I speak of many things in detail before they happen because they are details that I have worked around for many years. That does not mean I see into the future. If God is so wise as to be competent and resourceful in dealing with us instead of manipulating all that happens? Then this would not diminish His authority to govern because such authority that reigns unchallenged is not as absolute as the authority that accepts a challenge. Such supreme independent power requires tremendous wisdom, patience, love, faithfulness, and resourcefulness to work with a world of independent creatures. This kind of a relationship is not one of domination or manipulation, but of participation and cooperation wherein we become co-laborers with God.

 

[One 2 question]

You asked 5 questions and in the end asked what do I think which is another question. Which question do you want me to answer?

There is no obligation here my friend. Feel free to answer any or none. All good this end.

 

[Peterlag]

Far from it - you are speaking to one who has prayerfully read nothing but Scripture for over 5 years with no traditional input.

Are you saying because you only read the Scriptures that you do not understand...

Why Christians believe there's a Trinity.
Why Christians believe dead people are alive.
Why Christians believe water baptism is relevant.
Why Christians believe the four gospels are written to Christians.
Why Christians believe God is in control of everything that happens.

 

[Peterlag]

You attribute tyranny to God, not realising that He keeps His covenants with good and evil until final judgement.

If He knows the future and is therefore in control of everything because He already saw it all... then He's got something like a tyranny government set up.

 

[Jay Ross]

I'm asking for help not accolades. That was a mean thing to say. Or do you wish you had this too. Ask. That's all I did. Although it was prophesied over me in 2001 that my eyes would be opened by the Spirit of God. And that has finally happened.

Wanting to be a seer is fraught with dangers and what I posted was not being mean to you. I prefer the Gifting that the Lord has given me, where I operate quietly often not openly for others to see. My experience has been over many years stretching back over 50 years.

 

[Wrangler]

The OP is suggesting there are people called Seers who are different from Prophets in that they can see special things and also see into the future like Prophets and I'm saying nobody sees into the future.

1st, what you’re saying is untrue on 2 counts. The OP is not parsing Seers from prophets. And all prophets see into the future. The terms are synonymous.

There were seers in the Old Testament called prophets, but the word "seer" is not used in the New Testament for prophets.

2nd, parsing seers from prophets has nothing to do with your railing against Gods absolute rule in his own kingdom.

 

[Wrangler]

You know God is outside of time. No problem so far. Then you make the jump to believe that if one is outside of time that they can see stuff that has not happened yet.

Seeing things that have not happened for temporal beings is an implication for one whose existence is outside time. You just don’t want to accept it for some reason.

 

[Wrangler]

Then it would have been nothing all those years that I was praying to receive. Realizing such a concept was never true has put me in control of my own spiritual life.

This is nonsensical.

1st, it’s a stunning g lack of humility to assert you are in real control.

The heart of man plans his way, but the LORD establishes his steps.
Proverbs 16:9

2nd, to the extent any of us have apparent control, it does not change the fact that God already knows how things will play out, including for you.

 

[Wrangler]

He's got something like a tyranny government set up.

Again with the blasphemous abuse of the word tyranny!

I’ve read that all monarchies are truly oligarchs precisely because of the need to delegate authority for effective government. But to deny it is right for YHWH to have all power over his own Creation is nonsensical.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I stay out of Revelation because it's mostly all about Israel and I'm a Christian. Now on this time thing. You know God is outside of time. No problem so far. Then you make the jump to believe that if one is outside of time that they can see stuff that has not happened yet.

Yes that is exactly correct - if you are outside of Chronology as God clearly is - your perspective is no longer subject to future, past or present.

If God could not see what is to happen then prophesy concerning the coming Messiah, seen again and again in the OT, would not exist.

 

[Carl Emerson]

We seem to be talking about 2 different things. I'm talking about God who sees into the future and therefore controls everything. When I realized God does not know the future was when I realized He is not in control. This was when I realized such a concept of having God in control put me in a state of not being in control. Such thinking caused me to ask for what I should have had based on what He had already designed for me. So what if He designed nothing for me because He is not in control of my life like if I were a puppet? Then it would have been nothing all those years that I was praying to receive. Realizing such a concept was never true has put me in control of my own spiritual life.

It does not follow that seeing into the future means also controlling every action - this would be robotic.

God knows everything, He is the Alpha and the Omega - He is a just judge of human action and a loving Father.

This understanding God only comes by revelation, not by human thought.

 

[Jesusfollower]

When I used the word omniscience... I was referring to God knowing the future. God knows men and what and how they think having known us for a very long time. Even longer than we might know since He probably has done this before with other humans like us and maybe even others on different planets. Even I can tell you how certain people will act before they do based on what is put in front of them. I can tell you how my son will act before he's born and how he will respond to me. And it's not because I can see into the future.

How easily you twist things and proper scripture to match your lack of understanding...we are done since you wont listen.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I speak of many things in detail before they happen because they are details that I have worked around for many years. That does not mean I see into the future. If God is so wise as to be competent and resourceful in dealing with us instead of manipulating all that happens? Then this would not diminish His authority to govern because such authority that reigns unchallenged is not as absolute as the authority that accepts a challenge. Such supreme independent power requires tremendous wisdom, patience, love, faithfulness, and resourcefulness to work with a world of independent creatures. This kind of a relationship is not one of domination or manipulation, but of participation and cooperation wherein we become co-laborers with God.

Sorry but your musings simply don't align with the simplicity of Scripture.

 

[Behold]

It does not follow that seeing into the future means also controlling every action - this would be robotic.

True.

God knowing everything that is going to happen NEXT... (Foreknowledge of God), is not the same as causing it all to happen next . (Pre-destined), Which is the Lie Of Calvinism- Tulip - Hyper Calvinism.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Are you saying because you only read the Scriptures that you do not understand...

Why Christians believe there's a Trinity.
Why Christians believe dead people are alive.
Why Christians believe water baptism is relevant.
Why Christians believe the four gospels are written to Christians.
Why Christians believe God is in control of everything that happens.

Your responses are more like a troll - I have persevered patiently with you but our understandings are sadly light years apart.

I see little reason to continue - may the eyes of your heart be opened to Him, His Love and Majesty.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If He knows the future and is therefore in control of everything because He already saw it all... then He's got something like a tyranny government set up.

Have a great day.

 

[Peterlag]

Your responses are more like a troll - I have persevered patiently with you but our understandings are sadly light years apart.

I see little reason to continue - may the eyes of your heart be opened to Him, His Love and Majesty.

I don't know what a troll is. You believe you know the Bible because you just read it on your own. I believe most if not all that you believe is from what the Catholics put in our culture. [removed: Trinity discussion is not to be discussed on this forum] Then you are following what the Catholics taught you. They invented the concept.