Implications if Jesus does not return

[Helen]

If Jesus does not return, could it mean that the Jews were right? (And that Jesus was NOT the Messiah (since He did not fulfill the main Messianic prophecies))

Wasn't the whole point of Jesus having to return was cause He did not fulfill all the Messianic prophecies the first time around?

Why would it be written that Jesus Said” IT IS FINISHED “ if what He came to do in obedience to Father , was not finished !

As my friend has just well said in his post , he is very much HERE… or maybe you don’t know Him. ???

 

[Curtis]

Hebrews 13:5 KJV
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.

Jesus’ spirit dwells in believers hearts by faith, Ephesians 3:17 - but in addition to the texts I gave you that prove Jesus physically ascended to heaven, and that Jesus sits at the Father’s right hand in heaven, there is the fact that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to comfort us, because He ascended to heaven and no longer walks the earth.

Thus my reply to your assertion that Jesus never left, is still correct: He ascended bodily to heaven.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

 

[Timtofly]

If Jesus does not return, could it mean that the Jews were right? (And that Jesus was NOT the Messiah (since He did not fulfill the main Messianic prophecies))

Wasn't the whole point of Jesus having to return was cause He did not fulfill all the Messianic prophecies the first time around?

The Jews were wrong about His first coming. How could they be right about nothing happening?

Your thought would make more since as, "Since the Jews were right that Jesus was not the Messiah, will they remain right if Jesus Christ never comes back?" Is the point about the Jews being right? As long as there is no return of Jesus Christ, they will remain right. The Second Coming is the point they will be proven wrong.

They do not view themselves as being wrong. They have been consistent in maintaining they are right. Nor is there a time frame on when they would stop being right.

Obviously not all Jews make that claim, and that claim is not what defines a Jew. Atheist can make the same claim and not be a Jew. Some Jews obviously have accepted Christ as their savor, and did not stop being a Jew. Even defining a Jew is complicated.

Now about the point of not fulfilling all the prophecy. Jesus never claimed to have fulfilled all the prophecies, so yes, a promised return would be to essentially "finish the job". There is no Scripture that declares God would stop being God if all of the prophecies were not fulfilled. The point is what humans were expecting.

Can you make a case that any one at any time was expecting God to come to earth in human flesh? Only two cases come to mind. I am not sure the magi were expecting it, or just had some knowledge of a certain event.

Even posters in this forum claim they are not expecting a Second Coming. If it happens, it happens. Some claim it already happened, and don't really expect anything to change that fact. So even today we see people in the same general reality, of not expecting anything, and can easily reject what will happen, as that is the mindset that suits them.

 

[FHII]

Jesus’ spirit dwells in believers hearts by faith, Ephesians 3:17 - but in addition to the texts I gave you that prove Jesus physically ascended to heaven, and that Jesus sits at the Father’s right hand in heaven, there is the fact that Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to comfort us, because He ascended to heaven and no longer walks the earth.

Thus my reply to your assertion that Jesus never left, is still correct: He ascended bodily to heaven.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Joh 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The first thing we must realize is that when you quote the gospels when Jesus said he was going away is that he was talking about his death, from which he returned.

Now second, yes, his flesh did go away in Acts 1. No doubt about it. He's still in the flesh today though (one body, many members). However, yes he will return again.

Despite this, he said several times in many ways that he would not leave us. EVER! Given that we are supposed to look that things not seen (2 Cor 4:18), it puzzles why Christians think the way they do. So much is talked about Jesus returning, that when a fella like me says he never left, people say, "Well, yes... He is in our hearts, but one day he will REALLY come back!" Then they whoop, holler and praise God.

To me, that's backwards. I am excited that he is still here and then acknowledge that he will return in his own flesh.

 

[Helen]

@FHII AMEN bro…

 

[Josho]

One thing i can bank on , THIS IS the last generation . JESUS IS COMING and HIS coming draws ever nigh .
OH let the LORD be praised through it all . No matter what we have to endure or go through the LORD is with us .
And on HIS day we shall forever be WITH HIM . LET THE LORD BE PRAISED .
Hands up , cause it is LORD PRAISING TIME in the digital building .

I wouldn't bank on this being the last generation, as we don't know when for certain, only God knows the timing, but we know for certain the 2nd coming is getting nearer and nearer everyday.

 

[Josho]

If Jesus does not return, could it mean that the Jews were right? (And that Jesus was NOT the Messiah (since He did not fulfill the main Messianic prophecies))

Wasn't the whole point of Jesus having to return was cause He did not fulfill all the Messianic prophecies the first time around?

G'day Mike, don't think we have came across paths on here before, a very late welcome to you. ;)

What I can say is patience, cling to His promises, He will come back when least expected, don't get disappointed by man's predictions of when, because no one knows the timing except for God, for now we got He's Holy Spirit with us.

Acts 1:6-11
Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority. But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven.”

 

[Oseas]

I wouldn't bank on this being the last generation, as we don't know when for certain, only God knows the timing, but we know for certain the 2nd coming is getting nearer and nearer everyday.

Revelation 11:v.14 to 18

14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Luke 20:v.35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted WORTHY to obtain that WORLD -the next WORLD - the Kingdom of GOD-, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL unto the ANGELS; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

1 Thessalonians 4:v.13-17
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up...to meet the Lord...and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


Philippians 3:v.20-21
20 For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

21 Who shall CHANGE OUR VILE BODY, that it may be fashioned like unto His glorious body, according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto himself.