If our interpretation of scripture sidesteps common sense, did we get it right?

[Hobie]

Check the Ten Commandments, and you may be surprised...

Enjoy Shabbat, as it was given to man...........man is not created for it.

Jesus healed on Shabbat, to prove to religious nutbars, who are stuck in MOSES Law, that Shabbat is not a straight jacket........its something that God created for Man to enjoy. Its a refreshing..

Religious heretics in Jesus's day, and also TODAY.... try to reconstruct Shabbat, as a "one day a week prison sentence ".
Shabbat is not a LAW.

 

[St. SteVen]

When it comes to the Sabbath, most Christians do sidestep what God's Word says...

That's debatable.

Romans 14:5 NIV
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike.
Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind.

Deuteronomy 5:15 NIV
Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there
with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has
commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.

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[St. SteVen]

Check the Ten Commandments, and you may be surprised...

To whom were they given?

Deuteronomy 5:1-3 NIV
Moses summoned all Israel and said:
Hear, Israel, the decrees and laws I declare in your hearing today.
Learn them and be sure to follow them.
2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us at Horeb.
3 It was not with our ancestors[a] that the Lord made this covenant,
but with us, with all of us who are alive here today.

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[St. SteVen]

On the contrary, common sense is the wisdom of this world, it is carnal. Common sense would reject miracles. And so it rejects the word of God. It would reject the cross.

But the wisdom of this world is foolishness to God.

Nonsense.
(hopefully you took that as a compliment) - LOL

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[lforrest]

Nonsense.
(hopefully you took that as a compliment) - LOL

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Nonsense is not synonymous with foolishness. Logic still applies. Conflicting doctrines can't all be true.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We've all heard the vacuous mantra: "God said it, I believe it, that settles it."
What does this communicate parenthetically?
"It doesn't need to make sense, I just need to accept it." ??? (with a shrug?)

Do we really need to check our brain at the door when we go to church?

On the forum, and elsewhere, I run into common sense roadblocks.
Some Christians seem to be incapable of applying common sense at all.

Perhaps you have subjects that give you similar problems?

If our interpretation of scripture sidesteps common sense, did we get it right?

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What you have done is remov ed god from the throne and made your sense of "common sense" as the supreme will of the universe.

There are many things we accept that make no sense. But they are true anyway.

Example: How does gravity work that keeps things on teh surface of a ball that is spinning at 1,000 miles an hour?
Try putting anything on any size ball and start spinning it and see if something will stay on it.

Example: If the universe is approx 14 billion years old from the hypothetical big bang, when the universe was averaged out as a hyper dense pea size, how can we see things 14 billion years distant in space when 14 billion years aog everything was in that pea shape size? HInt- you can't!

 

[St. SteVen]

Logic still applies. Conflicting doctrines can't all be true.

I question whether conflicting doctrines can't all be true.
That seems like the "the wisdom of this world" that you warned about.
We see unresolved arguments on the forum that seem to indicate that conflicting doctrines are true.
Both sides line up with their biblical "proof-texts". Which one is true and which one is false?
Maybe they are both true, or even both false.
I'm not convinced that truth is a singular thing.

Absolute truth - Do we know what it is?​

Is Truth Relevant? True and False are opinions. - True or False?​

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[ElieG12]

I question whether conflicting doctrines can't all be true.
That seems like the "the wisdom of this world" that you warned about.
We see unresolved arguments on the forum that seem to indicate that conflicting doctrines are true.
Both sides line up with their biblical "proof-texts". Which one is true and which one is false?
Maybe they are both true, or even both false.
I'm not convinced that truth is a singular thing.

The inability of some individuals to reach a consensus does not imply that the biblical truths regarding specific matters have not been explicitly communicated.

Believing that differing, contradictory doctrinal perspectives stem from the Bible itself is merely a feeble justification for a lack of deep examination.

Numerous factors contribute to a person's unwillingness to entertain an alternative viewpoint from their own. Additionally, there are numerous individuals with ulterior motives who focus on fostering disputes rather than genuinely seeking resolutions.

Disputes persist in settings where individuals refuse to alter their opinions. The tactics and techniques to avoid conceding in a debate due to sheer ego seem to be limitless.

James 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him by his fine conduct demonstrate works performed with a mildness that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above; it is earthly, animalistic, demonic. 16 For wherever there are jealousy and contentiousness, there will also be disorder and every vile thing.
17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace.

 

[St. SteVen]

The inability of some individuals to reach a consensus does not imply that the biblical truths regarding specific matters have not been explicitly communicated.

Believing that differing, contradictory doctrinal perspectives stem from the Bible itself is merely a feeble justification for a lack of deep examination.

Numerous factors contribute to a person's unwillingness to entertain an alternative viewpoint from their own. Additionally, there are numerous individuals with ulterior motives who focus on fostering disputes rather than genuinely seeking resolutions.

Disputes persist in settings where individuals refuse to alter their opinions. The tactics and techniques to avoid conceding in a debate due to sheer ego seem to be limitless.

James 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him by his fine conduct demonstrate works performed with a mildness that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above; it is earthly, animalistic, demonic. 16 For wherever there are jealousy and contentiousness, there will also be disorder and every vile thing.
17 But the wisdom from above is first of all pure, then peaceable, reasonable, ready to obey, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, not hypocritical. 18 Moreover, the fruit of righteousness is sown in peaceful conditions for those who are making peace.

Would you surrender your own beliefs in the cause of doctrinal unity? (doubtful)
Who decides what is true and what is false? There is no consensus.

The Unity and Division threads - Unified to one topic - Divided by links

Doctrinolatry - tribalism and division in the Body of Christ A follow-up to my Bibliolatry topic. Doctrine becomes an idol when it is used to support tribalism and cause division in the Body of Christ. Since doctrinal unity is impossible, allowing others to hold their own doctrinal opinions may...

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[ElieG12]

The New Testament mentions "truth" more than a hundred times, with a significant number of those instances attributed to Jesus.

To uncover "truth," immerse yourself in the Scriptures and you will discover it.

Your perspective is merely one of countless individual interpretations. The Bible was not intended for personal interpretation (2 Pet. 1:20,21), so I urge you to thoughtfully consider perspectives beyond your own. This will provide you with a foundation to genuinely claim "having the truth" yourself; you're blaming others for it, but what about you?

Thanks for your time. Now I have to sign off.