ICE raid on churches, have they gone too far?

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Verily

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Why don't you guys jump up and down, blow your trumpet and make a big noise about the pornography and the weapons of mass destruction produced and exported from your country to all over the world?
I think because the topic at hand is "ICE raids on churches..." but you could start a thread on that if you want to hear some noise on that topic. You might be surprised.

Yes, you want to hang the responsibility of all your woes on refugees who flee their oppressive countries on foot; who walk hundreds of miles with their families and the few possessions they own in the hope of their mistaken view that America will be easier to live in.
If you truly believe it is their mistaken view that America will be easier to live in why would anyone object to them being deported if life (in reality here) would be harder for them if they were to remain?

I think even the criminal ones have it good here in American, for example, "Juan Manuel Sierra-Leyva is an illegal immigrant from Mexico, who was caught with a blowtorch near the Kenneth Fire in Los Angeles. He was arrested by residents in Woodland Hills, which is close to the Palisades area. Juan Manuel Sierra-Leyva has a history of criminal activity and was arrested for violating probation, but he has not been charged with arson."

There is just never anything to see here (but that seems to be the same in just about every nation that is being flooded with immigrants)

But I thought this was about illegal immigrants who have not been properly vetted who (very similar to Juan Manuel Sierra-Leyva and others) would have never been allowed entry into the U.S had they had been properly vetted.

Of course there are criminals who use the refugee status as a cover for their dastardly activity, but you guys want to tar every refugee with that label because it takes the focus off your own shortcomings. How pathetic!
The subject is ICE raids on churches and have they gone to far, so I do believe we should examine the shortcomings in bypassing the vetting process which has been the cause of some of the current problems we have now in doing that.
Have you lost the ability to discern? Have your hearts become as hard as flint?.....just look at your own homeless problems in all the major cities.
Right, and I also believe we should be tending to U.S citizens homelessness, and that it should be making its own citizens the priority not other countries.
 

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Ah yes, if it's not blaming individuals like myself it's blaming something else like other nations or immigrants or it's blaming internal political parties. The reality locked onto is blame, blame, blame. Wake up guys....aren't we those who claim to follow Jesus and not The Accuser?
Why can you assign blame toward an oppressive government on the part of fleeing refugees but disallow assigning any blame from the receiving end of the same? On the one hand you will say, examine your own shortcomings, but when they would do so you accuse them of playing the blame game again?
 

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This is how you do it Wrangler. You edit my words to suit your argument by misrepresenting them. This is the work of a dishonest disposition. This is the process by which the Jews charged Jesus.
 

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Why can you assign blame toward an oppressive government on the part of fleeing refugees but disallow assigning any blame from the receiving end of the same? On the one hand you will say, examine your own shortcomings, but when they would do so you accuse them of playing the blame game again?
Bending the view to further blame is a slippery business. In other words, you want to make it appear that because I am calling oppression out that I am equally blaming. You know that is slippery and the fact that you would use this approach reveals the principle and values by which the world operates. It distances itself from the values of the Kingdom of God.
It is the approach taken by the Serpent with Eve.
 

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Bending the view to further blame is a slippery business. In other words, you want to make it appear that because I am calling oppression out that I am equally blaming. You know that is slippery and the fact that you would use this approach reveals the principle and values by which the world operates. It distances itself from the values of the Kingdom of God.
It is the approach taken by the Serpent with Eve.
You speak in endless word salads
 

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You speak in endless word salads
If you cannot understand a simple/ ordinary explanation as the one I have given, how will you understand anything pertaining to the reality of Jesus and the principles of the Kingdom of God?
 

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Ah yes, if it's not blaming individuals like myself it's blaming something else like other nations or immigrants or it's blaming internal political parties. The reality locked onto is blame, blame, blame. Wake up guys....aren't we those who claim to follow Jesus and not The Accuser?

You cannot accept that you are mistaken.

Political corruption by Democrats motivated MILLIONS of people to decide to invade the U.S. in order to capitalize on the promise of free things, jobs, free medical care, etc., all at the expense of poor and middle-class Americans while the aforementioned Democrats raked in BILLIONS. Understand?

How about this? My wife and I believe we're entitled to live with YOU in Australia and that YOU have to provide for our care otherwise you are a non-Christian bigot. If you own any cats they'll have to go because my wife has allergies, got it?
 
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If you cannot understand a simple/ ordinary explanation as the one I have given, how will you understand anything pertaining to the reality of Jesus and the principles of the Kingdom of God?
You mean Jesus whom you don't believe?
 

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You NEED to hang BLAME on someone else, in this case it's me; you need to distort and demonise..... because if you didn't you couldn't process the responsibility of the raping, the kidnapping, the child sex trafficking by your own people in your own country.
Demonic. You have one problem, so you should tolerate having a 2nd problem?! Your hate for America has blinded you to the evil within.
 
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You NEED to hang BLAME on someone else, in this case it's me; you need to distort and demonise..... because if you didn't you couldn't process the responsibility of the raping, the kidnapping, the child sex trafficking by your own people in your own country.

That's a nutty thing to say, it almost sounds like when women get caught cheating and get mad and blame the man for it.

I understand your position to be, we should go ahead and let all those illegal migrants into our country because there might be a few good people within thheir ranks? So all that stuff is the Americans doing them?

I wonder if any examples are in scripture about this situation.? I think it was Abraham, Lord if there be 5 righteous people found there will you still kick them out and deport them? (Destroy them!)

So we do hhave an example. God said ok, I will spare Sodom & Gomorrah for 5's sake. Well, did God tell them it's your fault anyway so don't beat up on the homo's? Uhh, that aint what God said. What happened? Well I guess there was on two found so God said, continue operations...and every single one was deported, so to speak.

So your case to stand up for the invasion force is losing ground quickly bud. If you would seek to put blame on Americans...then is it ok if we look forward to your never returning to our great country? That would have been a plus for your case! Lol.

The two righteous illegal migrants shall be depoted also and with a certanty. Not for murder, rape or sex trafficking, but for the illegal entry into our country.

Using your logic, if we find one single Aussie among the illegals...then we should ban all Aussies from ever visiting our country. That would be about as well thought through as the argument you put forth.
 

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This is how you do it Wrangler. You edit my words to suit your argument by misrepresenting them. This is the work of a dishonest disposition. This is the process by which the Jews charged Jesus.

Now relate that to the destruction of Sodom & Gomorrah and God's talk with Abraham about it.
 

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Demonic. You have one problem, so you should tolerate having a 2nd problem?! Your hate for America has blinded you to the evil within.
He reminds me of those former defense attorneys who would ask a rape victim what she was wearing at the time of her assault. An attempt to free the perpetrator and blame his victim for her own assault.

At this point I think our dark thoughts advocate is actually showing us they are mentally ill.

They need treatment and prayers. pryw
 

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Demonic. You have one problem, so you should tolerate having a 2nd problem?! Your hate for America has blinded you to the evil within.
If you could see you would see but now that you say you do see your blindness remains!
 
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hmmm, do you mean the strong and the brave have always been oppressive?
I don't believe upholding the law is oppressive.
And if anyone or any organization is aiding and abetting illegal immigrants which broke the law to come into this country, then they too are breaking the laws of our land.
At this point all persons which have entered the US illegally are able to willingly deport themselves and apply for legal entry through application and vetting.
If you choose to be removed forceably from the country then you will not have an option to return.
It's better if they give themselves up than it is for us to have to hunt them down.
And churches should be abiding by the laws of the land. Unless it conflicts with the moral standards of God's laws.

There is always room for forgiveness if one repents from their sin. If they broke the law and return back from where they came willingly, then they will be judged accordingly. And some may return and some may not. It depends on if they have criminal records or have broken any laws while they were illegally in the states.

You don't get into heaven without an invitation... just sayin.
Even heaven has gates and walls and borders. So thieves and criminals can't climb in.
They have to go through the door.
Why should it be any different here on earth as it is in heaven?

It basically comes down to one word... Respect.
Respect our country, our laws, our cultures and our people.
Better to knock on the door than to climb over the wall.
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The assumptions are that all illegal immigrants are criminals. At least that is what the language used implies and therefore becomes the premise to justify oppression ....because that's what it basically is.
When the founding Fathers left Europe because of the oppressions experienced (perpetrated by the religious) and arrived in the America's, weren't they also illegal immigrants?
They weren't invited and just took it upon themselves to move in on someone else's territory. Did that make them criminals?.....or was it they became criminals when the local folk tried to 'deport' them? How does this work? or is it more like 'do as I say, not do as I do?
Being illegal in itself is a criminal offense. Just because I break into your house and don't steal anything doesn't mean I won't be arrested for breaking and entering and tresspassing. The act of illegal entry is in itself criminal, period.

Now when the founding fathers left Europe and came to America I don't believe there were any laws of the land that they were breaking.
Which tribe passed a law saying no one is allowed to enter? There were no laws in the land at that time. Not until there was a Constitution created for the territories which were conquered not stolen. We baught Louisiana from the French, we went to battle with Mexico for the west. Canada chose at that time to stay loyal to the crown but they had an option to join the newly forming country.

What was the name of the country before it was called America? Who owned it? You could say the natives of the land owned it, but they were battling and at war with their own nations. Was it the Cherokee, the Navajo, Choctaw, Sioux ?
And when God sent the Hebrews out of Egypt to the promised land did they have to conquer that land from the people that resided there?
Would you consider Israel criminals because God sent them to inhabit the land?

And one could ask, where did the native Americans come from to begin with and did they replace people when they got here?
The history of Native Americans in the United States began tens of thousands of years ago with the settlement of the Americas by the Paleo-Indians. The Eurasian migration to the Americas occurred over millennia via Beringia, a land bridge between Siberia and Alaska, as early humans spread southward and eastward, forming distinct cultures and societies.

Sometimes you have to wonder.... do all roads lead to Rome?

But once the Declaration of Independence had been signed and the Constitution of the US written, laws and boundaries were placed on the land. And we declared ourselves one nation. United we stand.
All countries have borders and laws. And if you break them you have to pay the penalty.

I don't understand what is so hard to understand about the word "Illegal" .

The United States wasn't stolen it was conquered from the Eurasian migration which conquered it prior to.

We conquered it from ourselves. Isn't that ironic?

Eurasia

Continental landmass comprising Europe and Asia
Eurasia is a continental area on Earth, comprising all of Europe and Asia. According to some geographers, physiographically, Eurasia is a single supercontinent. The concepts of Europe and Asia as distinct continents date back to antiquity, but their borders have historically been subject to change. Wikipedia

But now we have borders and we will defend them from others who would wish to conquer and overcome us.
It's called... wait for it..... self-defence.


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Jack, why do you behave/ respond like a tosser?
Better question: Why do you profess to be Christian and you don't believe Jesus , Moses and several other Bible quotes about the Genesis Flood? So clearly your opinions are unBiblical.
 
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