I have a question that remains unanswered:

[Abaxvahl]

What is the name of the Father Abax?

He has no proper name but only titles. The Incarnate Lord has a proper name because He was Incarnate in time. A proper name belongs to things created. "Father" or "God" or "Lord" or to the Third Person "Holy Spirit" are all titles not proper names derived from the good deeds and functions of Deity, and "Yahweh" is self-evidently a title for it means "He Who Is" or such, which is something which extends throughout the whole eternal Trinity, they all "Are."

God's Nature (and a name calls what a thing is as demonstrated by the Scripture) is beyond comprehension and so logically even containment or declaration by ours words, no proper name can be given.

 

[David in NJ]

He has no proper name but only titles. The Incarnate Lord has a proper name because He was Incarnate in time. A proper name belongs to things created. "Father" or "God" or "Lord" or to the Third Person "Holy Spirit" are all titles not proper names derived from the good deeds and functions of Deity, and "Yahweh" is self-evidently a title for it means "He Who Is" or such, which is something which extends throughout the whole eternal Trinity, they all "Are."

God's Nature (and a name calls what a thing is as demonstrated by the Scripture) is beyond comprehension and so logically even containment or declaration by ours words, no proper name can be given.

Dear Abaxvahl, You said: "He has no proper name but only titles"

God did give to us His Name. HE assigned this Name to us as a commandment Forever.

God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites,
‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation. - Exodus 3:14-15

PLEASE do not miss out on the part that says: "This is My Name FOREVER - in EVERY generation."

 

[GEN2REV]

By the the LOVE of God i tell you friend - It is written that God is Three Persons who are Echad - a United One Elohim

I remembered that you kept spouting this and noticed something in my Bible reading this morning.

In my KJV study Bible, Psalms 82:1, gods is defined as:

gods = mighty ones = judges = Elohim

When you take that information, coupled with the context of Psalm 82, it is undeniable that Elohim are angels. It has nothing to do with God being three persons.

I have also read this many times over the years that it was the angels that God was speaking to at Creation when He said, "Let us make man in our image."

God created the angels in His image. They, God and the angels, created man in their image. This is one of the things lucifer could not tolerate. he would not go along with making what he considered to be inferior beings to be so blessed and adored by God. Angels are often referred to, in specific verses throughout scripture, as a man because they look just like us, but are much larger. That's why when the fallen copulated with human women, their offspring became Giants.

 

[Brakelite]

What is the name of the Father Abax?

KJV Exodus 34:5-9
5 And the LORD descended in the cloud, and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the LORD.
6 And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,
7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
8 And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped.
9 And he said, If now I have found grace in thy sight, O Lord, let my Lord, I pray thee, go among us; for it is a stiffnecked people; and pardon our iniquity and our sin, and take us for thine inheritance.

Who was this that Moses bowed down and worshipped?

KJV 1 Corinthians 10:4-5
4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness.

 

[Abaxvahl]

Dear Abaxvahl, You said: "He has no proper name but only titles"

God did give to us His Name. HE assigned this Name to us as a commandment Forever.

God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’ ”
God also told Moses, “Say to the Israelites,
‘The LORD, the God of your fathers—the Elohim of Abraham, the Elohim of Isaac, and the Elohim of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
This is My name forever, and this is how I am to be remembered in every generation. - Exodus 3:14-15

PLEASE do not miss out on the part that says: "This is My Name FOREVER - in EVERY generation."

What is "I Am" except self-causality and eternal existence? This extends throughout the Three Persons of the Trinity (although this is not to ignore their relations of Unbegotten and Begotten, and Procession which is neither). Because of this it is a description and not properly a name for essences are named, and while God is His existence what that is in itself remains unknown because we can not comprehend it. So while it calls it a name it seems to be a title to me for what He is, or rather that He is, without saying what He is in Himself for we can not know that.

 

[David in NJ]

I remembered that you kept spouting this and noticed something in my Bible reading this morning.

In my KJV study Bible, Psalms 82:1, gods is defined as:

gods = mighty ones = judges = Elohim

When you take that information, coupled with the context of Psalm 82, it is undeniable that Elohim are angels. It has nothing to do with God being three persons.

I have also read this many times over the years that it was the angels that God was speaking to at Creation when He said, "Let us make man in our image."

God created the angels in His image. They, God and the angels, created man in their image. This is one of the things lucifer could not tolerate. he would not go along with making what he considered to be, inferior beings to be so blessed and adored by God. Angels are often referred to, in specific verses throughout scripture, as a man because they look just like us, but are much larger. That's why when the fallen copulated with human women, their offspring became Giants.

Your ending paragraph/conclusion is heresy and perverting the Way of Truth - very very bad.

All should take note as this is a clear example of the "wide and crooked" path of the serpent working through a vessel who lacks understanding.

 

[David in NJ]

What is "I Am" except self-causality and eternal existence? This extends throughout the Three Persons of the Trinity (although this is not to ignore their relations of Unbegotten and Begotten, and Procession which is neither). Because of this it is a description and not properly a name for essences are named, and while God is His existence what that is in itself remains unknown because we can not comprehend it. So while it calls it a name it seems to be a title to me for what He is, or rather that He is, without saying what He is in Himself for we can not know that.

God said it was His Name forever - this is Proper and to be honored, unless you believe that you do not need to Honor HIS Name.

Stay away from the 'substance' stuff - God is not 'substance' - HE is ALIVE and HIS Word fails us not.
Elohim Abraham Elohim Isaac Elohim Jacob = Father Son and Holy Spirit = One Eternal Elohim

Know them by THEIR Names, believe on THEM through THEIR Word and you are on the Path of Life.

 

[BarneyFife]

OK...so it isn’t what I say, as much as the way I say it? Is that what I am understanding here?

My Aussie directness is what you are having trouble with.....for this I can only apologise.
I would see such questioning as a challenge, not an insult. I relish a challenge. It is not intended to be mean spirited as you seem to see it. I am challenging your beliefs.....not insulting you personally.

Are "confidence and truthfulness" unnecessary qualities for a Christian????

Cultural differences often happen between Aussies and Yanks....as I have admitted, many Americans find us rude, but all we are is direct and truthful. We are not used to tip-toeing around people’s fragile sensibilities. It’s not who we are. But all I can do is try not to offend you as I seem to be doing on a regular basis, because you take everything so personally.

Aussie humor is by nature a little confronting and sometimes sarcastic to some people, its just the "larrikin" in us (Google it)....but confidence and truthfulness will always be part of my speech......OK?

This just sounds like an apology for (hiding behind) your culture that you backpedal on by suggesting "people's fragile sensibilities" are really the problem. It's all good because you're just being confident and truthful (I really like that little straw man rhetorical question, btw--Are "confidence and truthfulness" unnecessary qualities for a Christian????). But, really, there's no need to dodge my direct (we can do it, too) question. Either you see patronizing, mockery, and/or insults in your comment or you don't. If you don't, that's fine. I just thought you'd want to know how you came across, just like you wanted me to know about the brazen serpent idol.

When I was in the Air Force in the early '80s, I went to a joint military training station for my technical school. In our barracks building, we had a detachment of about 25 Australian troops. I found them all to be very respectful and polite. I've also found a lot of Americans to be quite rude and antagonistic. Much more so than I would attribute to your comment. :)

And by the way, I was taught from childhood that forgiveness is not an event--it's an attitude. So if there was anything to forgive, it was instantly at the bottom of the ocean, as far as I'm concerned. You're the one who blew this up all out of proportion. All I said was I was glad to have been of service to your amusement. So you can stop portraying me as ultrasensitive anytime you like--or not--your choice. I'm long past over it. I'm just replying to your unceasing objections to my short, plain statement about my perception of your behavior. If you check my posting history, you'll see that I readily forgive but never excuse ill behavior, especially in Christians, who ought to know better.

Are "kindness and mildness" unnecessary qualities for a Christian???? (It's just a ridiculous question, isn't it?)

We're real good as far as I'm concerned, but I'm not gonna rubber stamp your manners. But, hey, I'm nobody, anyway. :);):cool:

 

[BarneyFife]

Jesus had died, and was appearing to his disciples at that time, he had previously stated:
(John 14:15-17) . . .“If you love me, you will observe my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father and he will give you another helper to be with you forever, 17 the spirit of the truth,. . .
Jesus was just about ready to return to heaven, and their ministry soon would get started. The recorded fulfillment of his words is found in Acts chapter 2, which occurred on Pentecost of the year 33 CE.

Great question Barn, keep in mind the Bible never contradicts itself, so sometimes you might run into a seeming contradiction, therefore it is faith strengthening to search out the whys and wherefores.

Yeah, it's called a paradox. I'm familiar with it, having been an avid Bible student for over 30 years. wadr, That's not an answer at all. Either Christ had the Holy Spirit before the ascension or He didn't. You're the one who made the claim. :)

Luke 4:16 Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read,
Luke 4:17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed,
Luke 4:19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
Luke 4:20 Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on Him,
Luke 4:21 and He began by saying, "Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."

 

[bbyrd009]

What is "I Am" except self-causality and eternal existence?

well, it’s also present tense :)

 

[bbyrd009]

God is not 'substance'

ive felt for a while now that “existence” is a poor metric for Yah, myself

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah, it's called a paradox. I'm familiar with it, having been an avid Bible student for over 30 years. wadr, That's not an answer at all. Either Christ had the Holy Spirit before the ascension or He didn't. You're the one who made the claim. :)

Luke 4:16 Then Jesus came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. As was His custom, He entered the synagogue on the Sabbath. And when He stood up to read,
Luke 4:17 the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to Him. Unrolling it, He found the place where it was written:
Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim liberty to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed,
Luke 4:19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."
Luke 4:20 Then He rolled up the scroll, returned it to the attendant, and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fixed on Him,
Luke 4:21 and He began by saying, "Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."

Hey, i like this Brother - amen

 

[bbyrd009]

but confidence and truthfulness will always be part of my speech

i am confident that i can only hazard a guess, at best (what is it?), and everything i say is surely a lie! lol
“like” down to there though :)

 

[Abaxvahl]

well, it’s also present tense :)

Indeed, I take it either as a declaration of self-existence (eternal existence) or as the beginning of a statement such as "I am... the God of your fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." Yahweh means the same thing. "He Who Is" on it's own, but also when added to another word such as Yahweh-Yireh (He Who Provides) or Yahweh Sabaoth (He Who Is the Lord of Hosts) it is a longer title.

 

[bbyrd009]

Indeed, I take it either as a declaration of self-existence (eternal existence) or as the beginning of a statement such as "I am... the God of your fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob." Yahweh means the same thing. "He Who Is" on it's own, but also when added to another word such as Yahweh-Yireh (He Who Provides) or Yahweh Sabaoth (He Who Is the Lord of Hosts) it is a longer title.

YHWH means “He who is?”

 

[Abaxvahl]

ive felt for a while now that “existence” is a poor metric for Yah, myself

This is true, the reason being our limited nature we can not truly know what God is in Himself, so the Saints may often say "He is beyond even existence" which is "He is beyond all that you can know and understand existence is." This can be said for all things said of God, "He is beyond all oneness" or "He is beyond all threeness" or "He is beyond being itself." One can always deny their knowledge of God and make a true statement. "Existence" simply is insufficient, as are all things said of the One Beyond All, who is God. But some affirmations are a useful markers of what God reveals of Himself to us.

 

[Abaxvahl]

YHWH means “He who is?”

The name does not have a known etymology and definite meaning, "He Who Is" is my personal favorite interpretation of what it means, as a stand in for all I have seen it be said to mean by scholars and interpreters. It (Yahweh and what precedes in Exodus 3) is said to mean not only that but also:

- I Am Who I Am.
- I Will Be Who I Will Be.
- He Is.
- I Am The Being.
- I Am The One Who Is.

"He Who Is" is the simplest summary to me as it can be a metaphysical statement of His eternal self-existence (He alone is the One Who Is, while all creatures are ones who came to be), and an identification with a longer title such as "He Who Is the God of Abraham." It also to me at least has the sense of those other possible definitions which are all sort of saying the same thing.

 

[Wrangler]

OK...so it isn’t what I say, as much as the way I say it? Is that what I am understanding here?

Are "confidence and truthfulness" unnecessary qualities for a Christian?

Either you see patronizing, mockery, and/or insults in your comment or you don't.

Well stated exchange. Predictably, I side with Aunty Jane.

Barney, you take things personally. AJ and I attack ideas not people. When your ideas are challenged you retreat into victimhood.

Are "kindness and mildness" unnecessary qualities for a Christian?

Great question. Last year my Pastor pissed me off asking a variant of this question. I am not ONLY a Christian. Worse for my Pastor and you, I do NOT act ONLY along Christian ideals.

You may not like my priorities. So be it. I am a Christian in the Crusader mold. My job is not to judge my enemy, only to arrange a meeting for Judgment with them and God.

My pastor gave a sermon with the ridiculous claim that you should always be kind to everyone. I emailed her a challenge: Quickly Send Your Balanced Budget Proposal to Washington. It comes down to being unkind to tomorrows generation or today’s generation; enslave the future or lower standard of living today.

Hard choices. Partially explains why it has been so rarely done in over a century.

The truth is not kind to those living a lie, no matter how mildly AJ or I say it.

 

[bbyrd009]

The name does not have a known etymology and definite meaning

hmm, ive always—perhaps mistakenly—just accepted that it (YHWH) was just a transliteration of hebrew vowels…

 

[BarneyFife]

Well stated exchange. Predictably, I side with Aunty Jane.

Barney, you take things personally. AJ and I attack ideas not people. When your ideas are challenged you retreat into victimhood.



Great question. Last year my Pastor pissed me off asking a variant of this question. I am not ONLY a Christian. Worse for my Pastor and you, I do NOT act ONLY along Christian ideals.

You may not like my priorities. So be it. I am a Christian in the Crusader mold. My job is not to judge my enemy, only to arrange a meeting for Judgment with them and God.

My pastor gave a sermon with the ridiculous claim that you should always be kind to everyone. I emailed her a challenge: Quickly Send Your Balanced Budget Proposal to Washington. It comes down to being unkind to tomorrows generation or today’s generation; enslave the future or lower standard of living today.

Hard choices. Partially explains why it has been so rarely done in over a century.

The truth is not kind to those living a lie, no matter how mildly AJ or I say it.

That's nice. God bless you, Wrangler. :)