I have a question that remains unanswered:

[Waiting on him]

John 1:1-5 KJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The beginning here is referring to His beginning in the world, when this light came into the world. This doesn’t appear to be a reference to the creation of the cosmos.

 

[David in NJ]

I’ve always had a hard time understanding the whole in the beginning part,due to fact God has no beginning or end but. Recently I’ve entertained the idea that what John is speaking of is what began at the baptism of Jesus.

Genesis 1:1 is not about God having a beginning, but about the beginning of creation - nothing to be perplexed about.

Genesis 1:1-5 is the same as John 1:1-5

 

[David in NJ]

John 1:1-5 KJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The beginning here is referring to His beginning in the world, when this light came into the world. This doesn’t appear to be a reference to the creation of the cosmos.

You quoted the Scripture but missed completely the simplicity of Truth in it - The Lord was never created - HE created.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by Him(the Word); and without Him was not any thing made that was made.

The Word was God in the beginning and the Word created everything - everything.

 

[Waiting on him]

Genesis 1:1 is not about God having a beginning, but about the beginning of creation - nothing to be perplexed about.

Genesis 1:1-5 is the same as John 1:1-5

I don’t think so, you have to consider that we are a new creature/creation and that began at Calvary.

 

[Waiting on him]

You quoted the Scripture but missed completely the simplicity of Truth in it - The Lord was never created - HE created.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

The Word was God in the beginning and the Word created everything - everything.

There again you have to ask yourself in light of all scripture what beginning.
Read the chapter again and consider all the verse that found this beginning being when the light came into the heart of man. It’s pretty obvious when it was this happened


1st century all things have become new.

 

[David in NJ]

I don’t think so, you have to consider that we are a new creature/creation and that began at Calvary.

You completely misunderstand John 1 and now you take that misunderstanding and attempt to support it with Scripture that does not agree with you.
This is how confusion 'begins' and has it's creation in the minds of men.

The Son of God is the Word who was with God and was God from the beginning - simple
And the Word (who was God) became flesh and dwelt among us.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace

Matthew 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

 

[David in NJ]

There again you have to ask yourself in light of all scripture what beginning.
Read the chapter again and consider all the verse that found this beginning being when the light came into the heart of man. It’s pretty obvious when it was this happened


1st century all things have become new.

No, you have to stop adding your words to Scripture which is forbidden and leads to your confusion.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[Waiting on him]

No, you have to stop adding your words to Scripture which is forbidden and leads to your confusion.

Every word of God is flawless;
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him.
Do not add to His words,
lest He rebuke you and prove you a liar. Proverbs 30:5-6

Okay, so help me out here and show me the words I’ve added?

 

[Truth7t7]

LOL Actually my field of study.
For those that are serious about knowing the truth....going back to the source is best.
The King James Version is mostly reused faulty translations. Translation of translations. As time goes on errors start to build and multiply. As it is the King James Version is the most error ridden Bible we have in print. It has also had the most revisions to correct errors. Famous for its errors....The Adulterer's Bible....the Vinegar Bible....the Murmurer's Bible.....the Wife hater's Bible....etc If you find any of these hang on to them because they are valuable.

It appears you are unaware of new bible translations and the (Novum Testamentum Graece)

Modern translations NIV, NASB, ESV, ETC are supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) this Greek Text was "Created" by Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), and Homosexual Union Supporter And Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

(Kurt Aland) divorced his wife (Ingeborg) and ran off with and married his college student (Barbara Nee Ehlers), being 22 years her senior

Did God Use Adulterers And A Homosexual Union Supporter To Preserve His Words In The Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece)?

Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), And (Carlo Maria Martini), Are Corrupt Trees, And The (Novum Testamentum Graece) Is Their Corrupt Fruit

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 

[David in NJ]

God does not have a beginning - the beginning refers to the creation = Genesis chapter 1
In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God = John 1:1
Genesis 1:1-5 is the same as John 1:1-5
God/Word were not created - THEY created everything

You said: "I don’t think so, you have to consider that we are a new creature/creation and that began at Calvary"

 

[Abaxvahl]

John 1:1-5 KJV
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. [4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [5] And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The beginning here is referring to His beginning in the world, when this light came into the world. This doesn’t appear to be a reference to the creation of the cosmos.

How does it not reference the creation of the cosmos when it says "all things were made by Him"? Moreover, it says "the Word," would this not be God's creative Word through which He made all things saying "be" and they are, through which He commands and they are created (the Psalms testify to this), or the Word which God spoke to the Prophets when they say "and the Word of the Lord came to me..."?

I do not see how the verse could truly mean "all things were made by Him" and it not actually mean "all things," or rather "all" as is literal. Due to the next word "made by Him," it seems it means more "came into being" or "came to pass," which indicates just as "in the beginning" the creation of time and mutability for whatever "came to pass" or "came to be" changes, and nothing but God is on the other side of that, so if all that came to pass was by the Word then the Word must by definition be excluded from created things. Not to mention the "was God."

 

[David in NJ]

Okay, so help me out here and show me the words I’ve added?

How does it not reference the creation of the cosmos when it says "all things were made by Him"? Moreover, it says "the Word," would this not be God's creative Word through which He made all things saying "be" and they are, through which He commands and they are created (the Psalms testify to this), or the Word which God spoke to the Prophets when they say "and the Word of the Lord came to me..."?

I do not see how the verse could truly mean "all things were made by Him" and it not actually mean "all things," or rather "all" as is literal. Due to the next word "made by Him," it seems it means more "came into being" or "came to pass," which indicates just as "in the beginning" the creation of time and mutability for whatever "came to pass" or "came to be" changes, and nothing but God is on the other side of that, so if all that came to pass was by the Word then the Word must by definition be excluded from created things. Not to mention the "was God."

Wonderfully articulated and true - thank you

 

[Wrangler]

You do know that 60 confessing Christian's and scholarly men worked on the KJB 1611, it's been 410 years and going strong

Going strong? Not what I'd call an obsolete translation. If you want to accept half millennia old translation errors as "Gospel" I can't stop you.

Make a blessed day!

 

[Waiting on him]

How does it not reference the creation of the cosmos when it says "all things were made by Him"? Moreover, it says "the Word," would this not be God's creative Word through which He made all things saying "be" and they are, through which He commands and they are created (the Psalms testify to this), or the Word which God spoke to the Prophets when they say "and the Word of the Lord came to me..."?

I do not see how the verse could truly mean "all things were made by Him" and it not actually mean "all things," or rather "all" as is literal. Due to the next word "made by Him," it seems it means more "came into being" or "came to pass," which indicates just as "in the beginning" the creation of time and mutability for whatever "came to pass" or "came to be" changes, and nothing but God is on the other side of that, so if all that came to pass was by the Word then the Word must by definition be excluded from created things. Not to mention the "was God."

Wonderfully articulated and true - thank you

sounds as if you two have it all figured out.

 

[Grailhunter]

It appears you are unaware of new bible translations and the (Novum Testamentum Graece)

Modern translations NIV, NASB, ESV, ETC are supported by the Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece) this Greek Text was "Created" by Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), and Homosexual Union Supporter And Roman Catholic Jesuit Cardinal (Carlo Maria Martini)

(Kurt Aland) divorced his wife (Ingeborg) and ran off with and married his college student (Barbara Nee Ehlers), being 22 years her senior

Did God Use Adulterers And A Homosexual Union Supporter To Preserve His Words In The Greek Text (Novum Testamentum Graece)?

Adulterers (Kurt Aland), (Barbara Aland), And (Carlo Maria Martini), Are Corrupt Trees, And The (Novum Testamentum Graece) Is Their Corrupt Fruit

Matthew 7:17-18KJV
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

You do know that King James was homosexual. A Bible with his name.
And I am talking about translations that use photocopies of the oldest texts available.
Even back in the day that the King James Version was translated there were hundreds of doctors. They did the best they could, but there were things they did not know. So they believed things that were not true. That era impacted the King James Version, whether it was predetermined beliefs shading the translation or inaccurate sources.

Now I think the King James sounds beautiful....as well it should because it was written during the era of classical poetry and plays.
The language of the King James....not really old English in style and certainly not modern English. For that reason people have a hard time understanding what it is trying to say. Not a Bible for beginners....

Liking the King James....Those that had the Geneva Bible in hand when the King James was published, did not like it. Thought it twisted the scriptures....
Some people think that God indorsed the King James Bible.
Some people think it is a sin to read anything else.
Some treat it as a God itself.

As it is now, there are books with photo copies of the available Christian texts. These books show the oldest texts that have been discovered. Texts that were not available at the time of the King James translations.

I love the King James Version, just not for in-depth study. For reading outload at cerimonies....it is my favorite.
I collect these Bibles and some are quite valuable.

 

[David in NJ]

sounds as if you two have it all figured out.

My Dear FRIEND - Our Heavenly Father, His Son and the Holy Spirit had this figured out before the world began - from Eternity.

Look See Hear = Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms.
For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence - In love
Ephesians 1:4

 

[Aunty Jane]

I'm not sure why you say remembering the brass serpent would help me. It was only a type/shadow of Christ, not Christ Himself, right? :)

Wowser Barny.....I am getting worried about your spiritual education.
Did you not know that the Jews turned the copper serpent into an idol and God had it destroyed? (2 Kings 18:4)
C'mon...you can do this.....

 

[Philip James]

Christ conquered death by death and their state has fundamentally changed since then.

Hi Abaxvahl,

That was beautiful!
Thanks for sharing!

Christ is risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Truman]

That was beautiful!

 

[BarneyFife]

Wowser Barny.....I am getting worried about your spiritual education.
Did you not know that the Jews turned the copper serpent into an idol and God had it destroyed? (2 Kings 18:4)
C'mon...you can do this.....

My memory isn't what it used to be. Glad I could be of service to your amusement. :)