I have a question that remains unanswered:

[GEN2REV]

If you open your heart you will hear better - hard heart also effects hearing.

YES, i replied to you in post #619 - yours was #616
Here again, is my reply to your post #616

AMEN to "Do not add to His words lest i be rebuked and be proven a liar" - AGREE - How about you?

How about you? Do you accept the Truth Challenge set forth by our Lord in Deut 4:1-2 and Proverbs 30:5-6 and Revelation 22:18-19?

The beginning of Proverbs 30: 5-6 starts with verse 5
Every word of God is Pure
He is a shield to those who take refuge in Him

Let us together take refuge in His Pure Word - Agree?

Hmmm... Nope. Still nothing here.

You claimed, "it is written that 'God is three persons'."

I simply asked "Where is it written, David?"

 

[amadeus]

I tried to understand Him, but I got more headaches...I could feel my brain cells start to stretch...any second they were going to start snapping...snap, crackle, pop! Since I didn't want my head to sound like the breakfast table, I stopped thinking so much! Lol

Many years ago when my mind worked much better, I was an avid Bible student and it was a primary reason for me backsliding about 10 years ending in 2002. My problem was presuming I could use my brain cells to figure it all out if I simply read the Bible and studied enough. My goal was to like Enoch and get "translated" like he did.

I was eating his flesh [reading and studying the Bible] but I had not learned how much of his blood I needed to be drinking. Out of balance, I finally backslid. Drinking the blood is getting into the Spirit so that the Spirit in us will bring to Life the flesh we have been eating... People call it communion, but they usually are talking about wine/grape juice and wafers/cracker/bread (from wheat or barley or other grain]... I look here:

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever." John 6:53-58

 

[Truman]

Many years ago when my mind worked much better, I was an avid Bible student and it was a primary reason for me backsliding about 10 years ending in 2002. My problem was presuming I could use my brain cells to figure it all out if I simply read the Bible and studied enough. My goal was to like Enoch and get "translated" like he did.

I was eating his flesh [reading and studying the Bible] but I had not learned how much of his blood I needed to be drinking. Out of balance, I finally backslid. Drinking the blood is getting into the Spirit so that the Spirit in us will bring to Life the flesh we have been eating... People call it communion, but they usually are talking about wine/grape juice and wafers/cracker/bread (from wheat or barley or other grain]... I look here:

"Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever." John 6:53-58

I used to devour everything I could to do with the bible and God. Read everything, go to every conference and seminar. Then I got my brain injury. Otherwise, I'd spend all my time "debating." Except now I call it arguing. Things that no one can prove. To each his own.

 

[David in NJ]

Hmmm... Nope. Still nothing here.

You claimed, "it is written that 'God is three persons'."

I simply asked "Where is it written, David?"

This is what i said:
By the the LOVE of God i tell you friend - It is written that God is Three Persons who are Echad - a United One Elohim

You did not respond to the commandment God established for all. - Deut 4:1-2, Prov 30:5-6, Rev 22:18-19

In summary, i reached out in the love of God to those who seek to change the meaning of Scripture (Jesus is a god) so that it submits to their religious doctrine (serpent in the Garden).
God established His Word for us to know Him and to provide guidance, protection and is a weapon against the devil.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Tim 3:16

 

[GEN2REV]

This is what i said:
By the the LOVE of God i tell you friend - It is written that God is Three Persons who are Echad - a United One Elohim

You did not respond to the commandment God established for all. - Deut 4:1-2, Prov 30:5-6, Rev 22:18-19

In summary, i reached out in the love of God to those who seek to change the meaning of Scripture (Jesus is a god) so that it submits to their religious doctrine (serpent in the Garden).
God established His Word for us to know Him and to provide guidance, protection and is a weapon against the devil.

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Tim 3:16

Wow ...

When you use the phrase "It is written," you are supposed to follow with exact 'word-for-word' scripture, just as Jesus did in Matthew 4:4-6.

The Bible is made up of God's Words. All of scripture is God breathed, just as you stated.

When you say "It is written" and then follow with words that are not scripture at all, you are dishonoring God and His Word, The Bible.

For the record, "God is Three Persons who are Echad - a United One Elohim" is written exactly nowhere in scripture.

I think we can put this conversation to rest.

Please?

 

[David in NJ]

Wow ...

When you use the phrase "It is written," you are supposed to follow with exact 'word-for-word' scripture, just as Jesus did in Matthew 4:4-6.

The Bible is made up of God's Words. All of scripture is God breathed, just as you stated.

When you say "It is written" and then follow with words that are not scripture at all, you are dishonoring God and His Word, The Bible.

For the record, "God is Three Persons who are Echad - a United One Elohim" is written exactly nowhere in scripture.

I think we can put this conversation to rest.

Please?

WOW you do not understand the Word - the Father Son and Holy Spirit are throughout the Word starting in Genesis and continuing through to the Gospels and Letters and Revelation.

If you want to SEE, start reading and praying into your heart, mind and soul the Gospel of John

 

[Jane_Doe22]

I agree with this although if they do not have the same nature or some likeness I do not see how one can be called Father and the other Son. For St. Paul calls people his spiritual children in the Epistles but there he has imparted to them a likeness and facilitated them being born again into a redeemed nature, which he also has. In natural fathers their children always share the same essence.

I don’t see the "essence" concept really doesn't factor in here. God can share His love with a disciple, having them in turn be truly loving. Same with His disire for righteousness, mercy, etc. Fully and truly sharing these 100%. I’ll touch more on this in a moment.

In addition to this, what do you mean by always existed, is it the same as eternal and beyond time or something else by it? Since that trait would "resolve" into something else like immutability and simplicity, which would just go into Creedal Trinitarianism so I think you mean something else.

“Immutability “: totally the same- God’s will, goodness, etc doesn’t change at all.
Simplicity is also unchanged.

There are difference in “outside of time/space” and “immaterial “ points. Those philosophical frameworks simply aren’t a thing in LDS Christian theology.

When the “essence “ difference most comes up is actually talking about man (using that term genetically to include women) and his relationship with God. God can truly share His goodness/will/love/mercy/etc with His disciples 100%. No limits. Fully shared, joint heir with Christ.

 

[bbyrd009]

It did . The key sign of the last generation is that by and large its churches would have no resemblence to the early church .
IT would be a generation that would always say in its heart MY LORD delays His coming . Always using excuse to reason out
why we have so much time left .
The early church believed His coming was nigh . So did the true lambs through all ages .
Its just in this last and final generation they would always make excuse to reason against those few who still believe His coming was nigh .
In noahs and in lotts days , Most had no idea how NIGH it was . SO TOO is it in these days . YET THE SIGNS have never been more fully
ripe as to just how close HIS COMING really is . AND YET the closer we get the more folks reason out that we have or could have much time left .
THAT is the major sign of the final generation . THEY TOO BUSY going with the great awakening and peace and safety . THEY cannot see
just how close we truly are at all .

to what, ezackly?

 

[bbyrd009]

Sin, heaven, free will, Lucifer, and so forth. What are they? To even really communicate clearly we must already know what the other fellow means. Since we have had discussions before I have an idea in your case on each one. You may recall a little of where I am...

If our friend, @bbyrd009 were to get involved he might help us understand what we do not understand. You need to remember Nehushtan. Many people latch onto that and call it the Word of God, but King Hezekiah destroyed it [II Kings 18:4]. He certainly did not destroy the Word of God, did he? I believe that just about any real believer, including @bbyrd009 has some ATs of which they are unaware or they would insists that their ATs are very simply the Truth.

Jesus said that he is the Truth and I believe that. If I cannot go down to nothing from that then would that not be for me an AT?

…i will never eat meat again

most anything id have to say would not be welcome here i guess, amadeus

 

[bbyrd009]

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God

All of scripture is God breathed

thats really almost surely All writings are God-breathed…, and has just been altered by some helpful scribe
graphe
gramme

ah, found it…
“
In 2 TIMOTHY 3:15, Paul uses this word, and not graphe, to refer to "Holy Documents" or "Sacred Letters." It's often thought that Paul specifically referred to the canon of the Septuagint, but then he would probably have preferred to use γραφη graphe. He more probably either referred to Hebrew characters as "holy letters" (Timothy, after all, had a Greek father and was raised in Lystra) or else perhaps some kind of otherwise unknown correspondence that brought people together — have a look at our article on oft misunderstood adjective αγιος (hagios), meaning holy, or rather "causing to converge".

In JOHN 5:47, Jesus uses gramma to emphasize the physical act of writing as opposed to the physical act of speaking: "You scrutinize Moses' Scriptures (graphe; 5:39), but if you don't believe his writing (gramma), how would you believe my speaking (ρημα, rhema)?"
The Word of God once came in the flesh, and now in Linked Data
“
γραφη
The noun γραφη (graphe) describes that which is represented by means of lines, marks or letters: the thoughts behind the letters, rather than the letters or physical documents themselves — which would be described by the noun γραμμα (gramma; see above).

Although the Jewish literary tradition certainly valued certain writings over others, the covers of the Bible hadn't been invented yet in the first century and it's ludicrous to maintain that our word solely refers to canonized Holy Writ in clear contrast to secular writings. That the Bible was never intended to be a sealed off box of sacred chocolates is even demonstrated by the many quotes from and references to extra-Biblical works it contains (rather like external links on a modern website): The Books of Enoch(HEBREWS 11:5, JUDE 1:14), the lost Very First Letter to the Corinthians (1 CORINTHIANS 5:9), the Book of Acts of Solomon (1 Kings 11:41) and the Complete Works of Solomon (1 Kings 4:32), the Book of the Wars of YHWH (Numbers 21:14-15), the Book of Jashar (Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:18), the Book of the Matters of the Days of the Kings of Israel (1 Kings 14:19), the Book of the Matters of the Days of the Kings of Judah (1 Kings 14:29), the book of Nathan the Prophet (1 Chronicles 29:29), the Book of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29), the Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite (1 Chronicles 9:29), the Visions of Iddo the Seer (1 Chronicles 9:29), the Records of Shemaiah the Prophet (2 Chronicles 12:15), the Records of Iddo the Seer (2 Chronicles 12:15).

In the often misquoted 2 TIMOTHY 3:16, Paul asserts that all writing is God-breathed, and that includes the legend of Jannes and Jambres he mentions eight versus prior, in 2 TIMOTHY 3:8. This legend may have been based on Exodus 7:10-12 but the story of Jannes and Jambres certainly is no part of the modern Bible and never was of the Hebrew Tanak.

The 3rd century scholar Origen explained that Paul quoted from the now largely lost Book of Jannes and Jambres, which conveniently demonstrates the core quality of the graphe: it describes a text that has been copied over and over in order to preserve it against all odds…”

 

[Aunty Jane]

Reviewed- you were unable to answer the question. You were close and have Two.
THREE are involve in the Creation. It starts in Genesis chapter 1: 1-3

But your third person is not a person...so there was never THREE to begin with.
God’s spirit is his.....it belongs to him, but it is NOT him.

God’s Son is his...and he is the servant of his God and Father, even in heaven....clearly stated in scripture.

If you can’t comprehend simple grammar then I am afraid you will be lost in this blasphemous travesty, formulated by an apostate church hundreds of years after Jesus died....
“God the Father” is clearly stated in the Bible....but there is no “God the Son” or “God the Holy Spirit” ever mentioned......unless God or his Christ said it...it isn't true.

There is no THREE....there never was.....there was God, assisted by his created Son, using the most powerful force in the universe.....God’s spirit.

Simple.

 

[GEN2REV]

thats really almost surely All writings are God-breathed…, and has just been altered by some helpful scribe
graphe
gramme

ah, found it…
“
In 2 TIMOTHY 3:15, Paul uses this word, and not graphe, to refer to "Holy Documents" or "Sacred Letters." It's often thought that Paul specifically referred to the canon of the Septuagint, but then he would probably have preferred to use γραφη graphe. He more probably either referred to Hebrew characters as "holy letters" (Timothy, after all, had a Greek father and was raised in Lystra) or else perhaps some kind of otherwise unknown correspondence that brought people together — have a look at our article on oft misunderstood adjective αγιος (hagios), meaning holy, or rather "causing to converge".

In JOHN 5:47, Jesus uses gramma to emphasize the physical act of writing as opposed to the physical act of speaking: "You scrutinize Moses' Scriptures (graphe; 5:39), but if you don't believe his writing (gramma), how would you believe my speaking (ρημα, rhema)?"
The Word of God once came in the flesh, and now in Linked Data
“
γραφη
The noun γραφη (graphe) describes that which is represented by means of lines, marks or letters: the thoughts behind the letters, rather than the letters or physical documents themselves — which would be described by the noun γραμμα (gramma; see above).

Although the Jewish literary tradition certainly valued certain writings over others, the covers of the Bible hadn't been invented yet in the first century and it's ludicrous to maintain that our word solely refers to canonized Holy Writ in clear contrast to secular writings. That the Bible was never intended to be a sealed off box of sacred chocolates is even demonstrated by the many quotes from and references to extra-Biblical works it contains (rather like external links on a modern website): The Books of Enoch(HEBREWS 11:5, JUDE 1:14), the lost Very First Letter to the Corinthians (1 CORINTHIANS 5:9), the Book of Acts of Solomon (1 Kings 11:41) and the Complete Works of Solomon (1 Kings 4:32), the Book of the Wars of YHWH (Numbers 21:14-15), the Book of Jashar (Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:18), the Book of the Matters of the Days of the Kings of Israel (1 Kings 14:19), the Book of the Matters of the Days of the Kings of Judah (1 Kings 14:29), the book of Nathan the Prophet (1 Chronicles 29:29), the Book of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29), the Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite (1 Chronicles 9:29), the Visions of Iddo the Seer (1 Chronicles 9:29), the Records of Shemaiah the Prophet (2 Chronicles 12:15), the Records of Iddo the Seer (2 Chronicles 12:15).

In the often misquoted 2 TIMOTHY 3:16, Paul asserts that all writing is God-breathed, and that includes the legend of Jannes and Jambres he mentions eight versus prior, in 2 TIMOTHY 3:8. This legend may have been based on Exodus 7:10-12 but the story of Jannes and Jambres certainly is no part of the modern Bible and never was of the Hebrew Tanak.

The 3rd century scholar Origen explained that Paul quoted from the now largely lost Book of Jannes and Jambres, which conveniently demonstrates the core quality of the graphe: it describes a text that has been copied over and over in order to preserve it against all odds…”

Those who look for reasons to believe will find them, and many of them.

Those who look for reasons not to believe will find them, and many of them.

 

[David in NJ]

thats really almost surely All writings are God-breathed…, and has just been altered by some helpful scribe
graphe
gramme

ah, found it…
“
In 2 TIMOTHY 3:15, Paul uses this word, and not graphe, to refer to "Holy Documents" or "Sacred Letters." It's often thought that Paul specifically referred to the canon of the Septuagint, but then he would probably have preferred to use γραφη graphe. He more probably either referred to Hebrew characters as "holy letters" (Timothy, after all, had a Greek father and was raised in Lystra) or else perhaps some kind of otherwise unknown correspondence that brought people together — have a look at our article on oft misunderstood adjective αγιος (hagios), meaning holy, or rather "causing to converge".

In JOHN 5:47, Jesus uses gramma to emphasize the physical act of writing as opposed to the physical act of speaking: "You scrutinize Moses' Scriptures (graphe; 5:39), but if you don't believe his writing (gramma), how would you believe my speaking (ρημα, rhema)?"
The Word of God once came in the flesh, and now in Linked Data
“
γραφη
The noun γραφη (graphe) describes that which is represented by means of lines, marks or letters: the thoughts behind the letters, rather than the letters or physical documents themselves — which would be described by the noun γραμμα (gramma; see above).

Although the Jewish literary tradition certainly valued certain writings over others, the covers of the Bible hadn't been invented yet in the first century and it's ludicrous to maintain that our word solely refers to canonized Holy Writ in clear contrast to secular writings. That the Bible was never intended to be a sealed off box of sacred chocolates is even demonstrated by the many quotes from and references to extra-Biblical works it contains (rather like external links on a modern website): The Books of Enoch(HEBREWS 11:5, JUDE 1:14), the lost Very First Letter to the Corinthians (1 CORINTHIANS 5:9), the Book of Acts of Solomon (1 Kings 11:41) and the Complete Works of Solomon (1 Kings 4:32), the Book of the Wars of YHWH (Numbers 21:14-15), the Book of Jashar (Joshua 10:13, 2 Samuel 1:18), the Book of the Matters of the Days of the Kings of Israel (1 Kings 14:19), the Book of the Matters of the Days of the Kings of Judah (1 Kings 14:29), the book of Nathan the Prophet (1 Chronicles 29:29), the Book of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29), the Prophecy of Ahijah the Shilonite (1 Chronicles 9:29), the Visions of Iddo the Seer (1 Chronicles 9:29), the Records of Shemaiah the Prophet (2 Chronicles 12:15), the Records of Iddo the Seer (2 Chronicles 12:15).

In the often misquoted 2 TIMOTHY 3:16, Paul asserts that all writing is God-breathed, and that includes the legend of Jannes and Jambres he mentions eight versus prior, in 2 TIMOTHY 3:8. This legend may have been based on Exodus 7:10-12 but the story of Jannes and Jambres certainly is no part of the modern Bible and never was of the Hebrew Tanak.

The 3rd century scholar Origen explained that Paul quoted from the now largely lost Book of Jannes and Jambres, which conveniently demonstrates the core quality of the graphe: it describes a text that has been copied over and over in order to preserve it against all odds…”

God had this all figured out before He created everything - He promised He would watch over His word to perform it and He did.

The Blood, the Word and the Holy Spirit draws us unto God and His Truth is revealed to us.
We read and study His Word and the Holy Spirit speaks to our spirit and gives the understanding.
God loves children so He wrote a children's book for His Children.

Jesus said, “Assuredly, I say to you, unless you are converted and become as little children, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven."

The Apostle John, a Hebrew, really altered Scripture when He opened his Gospel account in the very first verse
Altered things so much that he would easily been stoned for it.
Did you ever wonder why he wrote what he wrote in John 1:1 or for that matter the whole chapter.

 

[amadeus]

…i will never eat meat again

most anything id have to say would not be welcome here i guess, amadeus

Caution? Understood! Have a care then...

 

[David in NJ]

But your third person is not a person...so there was never THREE to begin with.
God’s spirit is his.....it belongs to him, but it is NOT him.

God’s Son is his...and he is the servant of his God and Father, even in heaven....clearly stated in scripture.

If you can’t comprehend simple grammar then I am afraid you will be lost in this blasphemous travesty, formulated by an apostate church hundreds of years after Jesus died....
“God the Father” is clearly stated in the Bible....but there is no “God the Son” or “God the Holy Spirit” ever mentioned......unless God or his Christ said it...it is t true.

There is no THREE....there never was.....there was God, assisted by his created Son, using the most powerful force in the universe.....God’s spirit.

Simple.

The THREE from Genesis are All present here in Acts 4:8-12
Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, “Rulers and elders of the people! If we are being examined today about a kind service to a man who was lame, to determine how he was healed, then let this be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you healed. This Jesus is
‘the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the cornerstone.’ Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”

And the Holy Spirit is a Person and God(Elohim) just as the Father and the Son are Elohim, this is clearly shown in Scripture
These THREE are One Elohim(God)
Acts 8:29, “the Spirit said to Philip, ‘Go over and join this chariot.’
Acts 13:2, “While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.'”

Acts 15:28, “it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements.”

Ephesians 4:30, “do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.”

Hebrews 10:29, “How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has . . . outraged the Spirit of grace?”

Acts 5:3, 4, “why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit? . . . You have not lied to men but to God‘”

Acts 16:6-7, “they went through the region of Phrygia and Galatia, having been forbidden by the Holy Spirit to speak the word in Asia. And when they had come up to Mysia, they attempted to go into Bithynia, but the Spirit of Jesus did not allow them.”

 

[Aunty Jane]

Your depreciating view of who Christ is, denies the Atonement. You make Him a mere angel. A creature. Let me explain why you deny the Atonement.
Jesus gave His life. The reason He was authorized to do so was because He had life... Immortal self existing life, the same life as the Father... Therefore had the power, the authority to give it up. His life was His own to do with as He willed.

May I respond to this Backlit? Jesus is not and never will be “just an angel”. He is the “archangel” and the only one in all of scripture besides Jesus who is a commander of the angelic forces. There is no impediment to the pre-human Jesus Being Michael. Jesus has a variety of names according to the role he is carrying out. God however has only one name WHWH...Yahweh, Jehovah, whose name Jesus said should be “hallowed”.....hard to sanctify a name you never use....(Psalm 83:18 KJV)

God’s “only begotten Son” is unique, in that he is the only direct creation of his Father...all other things came into existence “through” this firstborn son. (Colossians 1:15-17)

Revelation 3:14 states clearly that Jesus is a creation of his Father...the very beginning of his creative works.

An angel has no such authority. Because an angel is a created being, his life is not his own. He has no right to give his life away as it belongs to God.

And you would be correct, which is why Jesus needed authorisation from his God to administer his authority. His being “created” has nothing to do with God’s ability to provide a ransom for mankind.

At Matthew 28:19-20, Jesus’ parting words to his apostles were... “All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. 19 Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations...”

Revelation 12:7-12 also sees Jesus being given authority from his Father.
“And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail, nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

And war broke out in heaven: Miʹcha·el and his angels battled with the dragon, and the dragon and its angels battled 8 but they did not prevail nor was a place found for them any longer in heaven. 9 So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him. 10 I heard a loud voice in heaven say:

“Now have come to pass the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ, because the accuser of our brothers has been hurled down, who accuses them day and night before our God! 11 And they conquered him because of the blood of the Lamb and because of the word of their witnessing, and they did not love their souls even in the face of death. 12 On this account be glad, you heavens and you who reside in them! Woe for the earth and for the sea, because the Devil has come down to you, having great anger, knowing that he has a short period of time.”

We are living in this time now, as you may also believe.....but make no mistake, Jesus has full authority from his Father to carry out his duty as King to deal with the devil and all who serve his interests.
He does not have to be God to wield this authority, nor did he need to be God to pay the redemption price for mankind. All he needed to be was the sinless equivalent of Adam. God transferred the life of his son to the womb of an earthly woman, who subsequently gave birth to a “Son of God”, not a “son of Adam”. The son was never God, though he was of divine origin, he was fully mortal and capable of dying the exact same death as Adam. God is immortal, so no mere human could put him to death.

If Jesus did not really die, then we are still lost and doomed to eternal alienation from God and subject to sin and death, until stupid humans finally wipe themselves out of existence on this planet. God will never allow them to do that, so his intervention, I believe, is not far away.....

 

[GEN2REV]

The Blood, the Word and the Holy Spirit draws us unto God and His Truth is revealed to us.

Who is 'The Blood'?

You write this statement, giving God credit for the sacredness and trustworthiness of His Word ...

God had this all figured out before He created everything - He promised He would watch over His word to perform it and He did.

... then you write this?

The Apostle John, a Hebrew, really altered Scripture when He opened his Gospel account in the very first verse
Altered things so much that he would easily been stoned for it.
Did you ever wonder why he wrote what he wrote in John 1:1 or for that matter the whole chapter.

No, actually. I never did at all.

That's a dark, and broad, road you're headed down when you're wondering about, and questioning, scripture like that. You want pretty badly to believe that Jesus is not God, don't you. Which spirit do you reckon compels that desire upon you?

You and Wrangler really should start that club.

 

[David in NJ]

Your depreciating view of who Christ is, denies the Atonement. You make Him a mere angel. A creature. Let me explain why you deny the Atonement.
Jesus gave His life. The reason He was authorized to do so was because He had life... Immortal self existing life, the same life as the Father... Therefore had the power, the authority to give it up. His life was His own to do with as He willed.
An angel has no such authority. Because an angel is a created being, his life is not his own. He has no right to give his life away as it belongs to God.
From your post above I perceive your are not actually reading my posts properly. I find know what word you are referring to that you believe I need to study, not do I know what doctrine it is you think I'm defending. Í am not a trinitarian.

i just want to let you know that what you said of the Lord here is not only true but beautiful - thank you

 

[David in NJ]

Who is 'The Blood'?

You write this statement, giving God credit for the sacredness and trustworthiness of His Word ...



... then you write this?
No, actually. I never did at all.

That's a dark, and broad, road you're headed down when you're wondering about, and questioning, scripture like that. You want pretty badly to believe that Jesus is not God, don't you. Which spirit do you reckon compels that desire upon you?

You and Wrangler really should start that club.

lol, Friend you do not understand what i am saying - all true - but you just are unable to percieve.

lol x2 now - if you read my posts i clearly agree with Scripture that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are The One Eternal God.
They are the ELOHIM of Genesis and Exodus all the way through to Revelation.
Father Son Holy Spirit always Existing without Beginning and without End - Amen

Any Rabbi/Hebrew Scholars of John's day would of stoned him for altering Genesis 1:1 into John 1:1

i am not a religious murderer like them and i believe John chapter 1 and the whole Gospel of John

the false teachings of Watchtower call Jesus a prophet and a god - this is heresy, if you know

 

[Brakelite]

Says the guy who posted he did not mean anything by his post.

It’s unclear if you meant that individual post or, as a rule, all your posts, but on my planet, words have meaning and ideas have consequences. Scientific inquiry is supposed to begin with a fixed premise that leads to a tentative conclusion.

Trinitarianism starts with a fanatical conclusion and alters ANYTHING to ‘support’ it - including Definition, Logic, Language Usage and History. They cannot even recognize that Jesus died and was resurrected by God, as explicitly stated - not implied or figuratively expressed - but explicitly stated in Acts 17:31 and is the very heart of the Good News.

Father’s create sons. Father’s and sons are not the same being. Father’s exist before their sons exist.

Let me ask you a few simple questions;

1. Why would Jesus talk about his God if he were God?
2. Why would Rev 1:1 say God gave Jesus a revelation if Jesus were God?
3. And why would Jesus say his Father is the only true God, if Jesus was God?

According to trinitarians, the plain words of Scripture are there only to confuse us!

You are throwing out the garbage along with the meal. Yes, the Father raised Christ from the dead. Yes, fathers live before their children. But where you miss the depth and beauty of the good news is the sacrifice made by the Father and Son. The eternal risk taken by both in order to save worms like me and you. By sacrifice I'm not just limiting that to Calvary. Christ was begotten as the Son of the Almighty before creation, and all things were made by the Father through the agency of His Son, the Word. He them gave His Son to the human race. Forever, Christ is linked to humanity in ways that can never been broken. Even in nature. Divinity united with humanity. God gave His Son, at the unbelievable risk of losing Him if He failed in His mission through sin. That's sacrifice.
Finally but not least, Jesus is the Son of God. Literally. Everything God does He does to perfection. Our children are not express images of ourselves. They have similarities, but are unique in personality and character and looks. But the Son of God is a perfect expression in human form of the Father. The express image. A perfect reproduction. Our children are human. Like begets like. God's only begotten child, begotten not created as were the angels, begotten not adopted as are we, but begotten with all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Therefore it is entirely appropriate to call Him Good having inherited His Father's name, and everything His Father is, except rank. That is why God...
KJV Hebrews 1:8
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.