How to Walk in Righteousness

[Johann]

Why not include yourself?

Can two walk together lest they agree.

 

[Episkopos]

Keep on preaching @amigo de christo after all, we have freedom of speech, it is our constitutional right, as well of those who are extreme "leftists" and cannot see the wood from the trees.
J.

Don't forget those neocon rightists...the concentration camps and all...

 

[Episkopos]

Can two walk together lest they agree.

I would agree if you admitted you were religiously indoctrinated.

 

[Johann]

I would agree if you admitted you were religiously indoctrinated.

The one indoctrinated is you--sad to say.

 

[Episkopos]

The one indoctrinated is you--sad to say.

Because I refuse to blaspheme God? Because I refuse to claim to be as righteous as God?

Somebody has been handing out crazy pills around here.

Indoctrination drives people to craziness.

 

[Johann]

Don't forget those neocon rightists...the concentration camps and all...

Do you know what suffering is--I wonder

 

[Johann]

Because I refuse to claim to be as righteous as God?

Who claims to be "as" righteous as God? Name some names

 

[Episkopos]

Who claims to be "as" righteous as God? Name some names

Look at this thread and the other active one today...many do. They claim to have God's righteousness...even as they sin away.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Look at this thread and the other active one today...many do. They claim to have God's righteousness...even as they sin away.

I am still waiting for you to show one verse where a person says hat they claim to be AS RIGHTEOUS AS GOD?

You have not shown one post where anyone claimed this.

Time to man up my friend..

 

[Episkopos]

I am still waiting for you to show one verse where a person says hat they claim to be AS RIGHTEOUS AS GOD?

You have not shown one post where anyone claimed this.

Time to man up my friend..

You read the posts yourself...and agreed to them...and then posted the same craziness again.

You do claim to impute God's righteousness to yourself. That means you claim His righteousness as your own. Even as you sin. That's why the eternal destiny is called "the filthy."

Why do you do that?

Why make such outlandish claims...thinking you won't be SEVERELY judged for it?

 

[APAK]

So what are we exactly?

Deu_9:4 Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.

Deu_9:5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Psa_4:1 To the chief Musician on Neginoth, A Psalm of David. Hear me when I call, O God of my righteousness: thou hast enlarged me when I was in distress; have mercy upon me, and hear my prayer.

Psa_24:5 He shall receive the blessing from the LORD, and righteousness from the God of his salvation.

Psa_45:7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Psa_48:10 According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness.

Psa_51:14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.

Psa_65:5 By terrible things in righteousness wilt thou answer us, O God of our salvation; who art the confidence of all the ends of the earth, and of them that are afar off upon the sea:

Psa_71:16 I will go in the strength of the Lord GOD: I will make mention of thy righteousness, even of thine only.

Isa_5:16 But the LORD of hosts shall be exalted in judgment, and God that is holy shall be sanctified in righteousness.

Isa_41:10 Fear thou not; for I am with thee: be not dismayed; for I am thy God: I will strengthen thee; yea, I will help thee; yea, I will uphold thee with the right hand of my righteousness.

Isa_48:1 Hear ye this, O house of Jacob, which are called by the name of Israel, and are come forth out of the waters of Judah, which swear by the name of the LORD, and make mention of the God of Israel, but not in truth, nor in righteousness.

Isa_58:2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

Isa_61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Jer_51:10 The LORD hath brought forth our righteousness: come, and let us declare in Zion the work of the LORD our God.

Zec_8:8 And I will bring them, and they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God, in truth and in righteousness.

Mat_6:33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Rom_1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Rom_3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

Rom_3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Rom_3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:


Too much philosophizing--no scriptures.
J.

You have to read my post #220... How to Walk in Righteousness

to understand why I said this statement. And there are two types of righteousness, the one that is perfected and already imputed to us in Christ's perfection, to God, because of his shed blood, and I believe that you speak of here, and the progressive type that is unperfected in the flesh. Unfortunately we still sin.....and our walk is not always perfect in righteousness and holiness. Fortunately though we are seen perfect by God because of his Son and his works.

This is the point I'm trying to get Epi to understand and admit he is not perfect in this sinful flesh, even in enduring faith, and ONLY because of Christ, we are of still and always considered perfect even when we sin. And Epi continually keeps sidestepping this issue and others associated with it, by replying with much chaff and of word games and double speak of various types meant to confuse and belittle me.

 

[ChristisGod]

I have been here in a while but the personal attacking is it really necessary ? We can make our points to those with different views than we have with respecting them right ?

Believers have the righteousness of Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit makes us Holy. Are we responsible for personal holiness and obedience to Christ? yes

sinless perfection is another issue.

 

[Episkopos]

I have been here in a while but the personal attacking is it really necessary ? We can make our points to those with different views than we have with respecting them right ?

Believers have the righteousness of Christ and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit makes us Holy.

Are you saying that holiness is bickering with holiness? You aren't helping here.

Believers do not have the righteousness of Christ. Only those who ENTER INTO Christ partake of His holiness. And that is very far from all believers. Read the bible and see where ALL believers end up. Don't be religious. Be wise.

Are we responsible for personal holiness and obedience to Christ? yes

sinless perfection is another issue.

In Him is no sin. The issue is one of grace through faith. No faith...no grace. God only gives grace to the humble.

Peace

 

[ChristisGod]

Are you saying that holiness is bickering with holiness? You aren't helping here.

Believers do not have the righteousness of Christ. Only those who ENTER INTO Christ partake of His holiness. And that is very far from all believers. Read the bible and see where ALL believers end up. Don't be religious. Be wise.

In Him is no sin. The issue is one of grace through faith. No faith...no grace. God only gives grace to the humble.

Peace

All born again believers have the same Holy Spirit in them.

 

[Episkopos]

You have to read my post #220... How to Walk in Righteousness

to understand why I said this statement. And there are two types of righteousness, the one that is perfected and already imputed to us in Christ's perfection, to God, because of his shed blood, and I believe that you speak of here, and the progressive type that is unperfected in the flesh. Unfortunately we still sin.....and our walk is not always perfect in righteousness and holiness. Fortunately though we are seen perfect by God because of his Son and his works.

This is the height of religious confusion. The two kinds of righteousness are laid out by God Himself...not you. Read Ez. chapters 18 and 33. In it the law of righteousness is laid out very clearly. Maybe you never read the OT???

But God is speaking there.. Read it.

The other level of righteousness is God's ...according to the gospel of the kingdom. That level of righteousness is found by entering INTO Christ to walk as He walked.

This is the point I'm trying to get Epi to understand and admit he is not perfect in this sinful flesh,

I never said that. I have walked in Christ's perfection. In Him is no sin. All who walk in His holiness will attest to the perfect holiness of that walk.

even in enduring faith, and ONLY because of Christ, we are of still and always considered perfect even when we sin.

There is no perfect sin...or sinful holiness. You are on the verge of blasphemy.

And Epi continually keeps sidestepping this issue and others associated with it, by replying with much chaff and of word games and double speak of various types meant to confuse and belittle me.

No, you are very hard of hearing...is all. You have 2 choices.... Be humble and meek and learn righteousness, claiming nothing for yourself...or else surrender and be translated into God's level of righteousness. That's it. Anything else is from the god of this world.

 

[Episkopos]

All born again believers have the same Holy Spirit in them.

The same seed of Christ, yes. But unless the grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies..there is no fruit produced. So many believers have that talent buried within them, yes. But to bear fruit and have eternal life spring forth..one needs to go to the cross..to BREAK the outer man to let the life begin to flow out into the world...and bear fruit.

But who gets any spiritual instruction nowadays...just a lot of religious hype, right?

 

[ChristisGod]

The same seed of Christ, yes. But unless the grain of wheat falls to the ground and dies..there is no fruit produced. So many believers have that talent buried within them, yes. But to bear fruit and have eternal life spring forth..one needs to go to the cross..to BREAK the outer man to let the life begin to flow out into the world...and bear fruit.

But who gets any spiritual instruction nowadays...just a lot of religious hype, right?

You are conflating good works and bearing good fruit with the Holy Spirits indwelling. All believer are born again with the Holy Spirit who can be quenched, grieved, disobeyed etc......... When we are filled by the Holy Spirit and walking in the spirit and not in the flesh then its Christ in you that people can see. That comes by yielding, obeying and submitting ourselves to Him.

 

[Johann]

Look at this thread and the other active one today...many do. They claim to have God's righteousness...even as they sin away.

You have to read my post #220... How to Walk in Righteousness

to understand why I said this statement. And there are two types of righteousness, the one that is perfected and already imputed to us in Christ's perfection, to God, because of his shed blood, and I believe that you speak of here, and the progressive type that is unperfected in the flesh. Unfortunately we still sin.....and our walk is not always perfect in righteousness and holiness. Fortunately though we are seen perfect by God because of his Son and his works.

This is the point I'm trying to get Epi to understand and admit he is not perfect in this sinful flesh, even in enduring faith, and ONLY because of Christ, we are of still and always considered perfect even when we sin. And Epi continually keeps sidestepping this issue and others associated with it, by replying with much chaff and of word games and double speak of various types meant to confuse and belittle me.

Don't allow him to to confuse and belittle you brother, you know who the author of confusion is............

2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

Be instant (ἐπίστηθι)
Better, be ready. Once in Paul, 1Th_5:3. Frequent in Luke and Acts. Lit. stand by, be at hand, be present. To come suddenly upon, Luk_2:38. Hence, be ready. Instant signifies urgent, importunate, persevering. Lat. instare to press upon. Thus Latimer, “I preached at the instant request of a curate.” So N.T., Rom_12:12, “Continuing instant in prayer.”

In season (εὐκαίρως)
Only here and Mar_14:11. lxx once, Sir. 18:22. Comp. ἀκαιρεῖσθαι to have leisure or opportunity, Mar_6:31; 1Co_16:12 : εὐκαιρία opportunity, Mat_26:16 : εὔκαιρος seasonable, convenient, Mar_6:21; Heb_4:16.
Out of season (ἀκαίρως)
N.T.o. lxx once, Sir. 35:4. Comp. ἀκαιρεῖσθαι to lack opportunity, Php_4:10. Timothy is not advised to disregard opportuneness, but to discharge his duty to those with whom he deals, whether it be welcome or not.

Reprove (ἔλεγξον)
Rather, convict of their errors. See on 1Ti_5:20 and Joh_3:20. In Paul, 1Co_14:24; Eph_5:11, Eph_5:13. Comp. ἐλεγμόν conviction, 2Ti_3:16.

Rebuke (ἐπιτίμησον)
In Pastorals only here. oP. Mostly in the Synoptic Gospels, where it is frequent. It has two meanings: rebuke, as Mat_8:26; Luk_17:3, and charge, as Mat_12:16; Mat_16:20, commonly followed by ἵνα that or λέγων saying (Mat_20:31; Mar_1:25; Mar_3:12; Mar_8:30; Luk_4:35), but see Luk_9:21.

The word implies a sharp, severe rebuke, with, possibly, a suggestion in some cases of impending penalty (τιμή); charge on pain of. This might go to justify the rendering of Holtzmann and von Soden, threaten. To charge on pain of penalty for disobedience implies a menace, in this case of future judgment.

Exhort (παρακάλεσον)
See on consolation, Luk_6:24; see on comfort, Act_9:31. Tischendorf changes the order of the three imperatives, reading ἔλεγξον, παρακάλεσον, ἐπιτίμησον. In that case there is a climax: first convict of error, then, exhort to forsake error, finally threaten with the penalty of persistence in error.
With all longsuffering and doctrine (ἐν πασῃ μακροθυμίᾳ)
Πάσῃ, every possible exhibition of longsuffering, etc. For doctrine rend. teaching. The combination is suggestive.

Longsuffering is to be maintained against the temptations to anger presented by the obstinacy and perverseness of certain hearers; and such are to be met, not merely with rebuke, but also with sound and reasonable instruction in the truth. So Calvin: “Those who are strong only in fervor and sharpness, but are not fortified with solid doctrine, weary themselves in their vigorous efforts, make a great noise, rave,... make no headway because they build without foundation.” Men will not be won to the truth by scolding. “They should understand what they hear, and learn by perceive why they are rebuked” (Bahnsen).
Vincent.

You should know now, by experience, men do not love to be corrected--no foundation, no accountability.

Never react, always respond--unfortunately, this goes to me first--keep on preaching the gospel, and remain teachable yet never compromise on what stands written.

Stay strong and rooted in Christ Jesus.
Johann.

 

[Johann]

I never said that. I have walked in Christ's perfection. In Him is no sin. All who walk in His holiness will attest to the perfect holiness of that walk.

You HAVE walked in Christ's perfection?--what happened, changed your mind?

 

[Episkopos]

You are conflating good works and bearing good fruit with the Holy Spirits indwelling. All believer are born again with the Holy Spirit who can be quenched, grieved, disobeyed etc......... When we are filled by the Holy Spirit and walking in the spirit and not in the flesh then its Christ in you that people can see. That comes by yielding, obeying and submitting ourselves to Him.

Yes. Why are you against good works? Are good works not done through the Spirit?

And not all who are born of the Spirit walk in the Spirit.