How to understand a Greek Lexicon for the word APOSTASIA (or any word)

[St. SteVen]

Apologies to @KUWN for taking over your thread and moving it so far off topic.

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Apologies to @KUWN for taking over your thread and moving it so far off topic.

[ cc: @Johann

You can of course delete the off topic posts, should you choose that courtesy.

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods,
which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth.

Interesting is what the start of this thread points out which is that words have two meanings.

Consider even “to marry” also has two meanings. ‘They forbid people to marry ….’
Romans 7:2-4 For the woman which has an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he lives; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. [3] So then if, while her husband lives, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. [4] Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

The most damaging forbidding them to marry…is not forbidding a man and woman (literally) to not marry. It is not forbidding a legal marriage in man’s courts where a man and woman become one flesh.

BUT the most damaging where “they” forbid “people to marry” is forbidding people to not marry: another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.


By forbidding people to marry(again not two becoming one flesh but two becoming One Spirit as those who have been joined to Christ become One Spirit)…by forbidding them(people) to marry another, even Him who raised from the dead), they forbid people “to be loosed” “by the body of Christ”.

By refusing people to marry (in the highest forbidding them not to be joined in One Spirit to Christ)… they bringing people back into bondage by forbidding people to marry, they make them of “if her husband be not dead, she is bound by the law of her husband as long as he lives”.
They forbid people to be loosed “by the body of Jesus Christ” where likewise you are free to marry not being bond under the Old but made free by the New, and bring forth fruit unto God. free from the curse and death, free from the law of Jealousies of her husband where if “she marry another” she will be called an adulterous bringing forth sin unto death. See? They forbid them to marry saying they are of the adulterous? the second part of the verse where by forbidding people to marry…they bring them back unto the bondage of death: and order them to abstain from certain foods,
What is Apostasy if not forbidding Christ. To turn away from Christ? To reject the good news.

Point is something significant is going on in their forbidding people to marry …to me it has to do with same as apostasy has two meanings, so does “to marry”. where either the woman is bound to the law of her husband (as long as he lives) where if she marries another she will be called an adulterous woman. Or “loosed” “free” to marry …where if her husband be dead, by the body of Christ then she is free to marry another, even Him who raised from the dead. To bring forth Fruit unto God.

For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving,
5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer.

Key is ….which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. <that which God created to be received …what is the most vital thing needed to be received if not “by the body of Christ” you have been made “free” to bear and bring forth fruit unto God.

 

[St. SteVen]

By forbidding people to marry(again not two becoming one flesh but two becoming One Spirit as those who have been joined to Christ become One Spirit)…by forbidding them(people) to marry another, even Him who raised from the dead), they forbid people “to be loosed” “by the body of Christ”.

I apologize, but I do not understand what you are trying to say about marriage. ???

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[VictoryinJesus]

I apologize, but I do not understand what you are trying to say about marriage. ???

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I tried my best. There’s “to marry” the way we think of “to marry.”
But Romans 7 gives another meaning of “to marry”. Not like our “to marry”

to me it deals directly with Apostasy. I was just commenting to you because “they forbid people to marry” stood out. Leading me to question who do they forbid people to marry? it’s not their husbands and wives…it’s Romans 7:4 they forbid people to marry ‘Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.’

 

[St. SteVen]

I tried my best. There’s “to marry” the way we think of “to marry.”
But Romans 7 gives another meaning of “to marry”. Not like our “to marry”

to me it deals directly with Apostasy. I was just commenting to you because “they forbid people to marry” stood out. Leading me to question who do they forbid people to marry? it’s not their husbands and wives…it’s Romans 7:4 they forbid people to marry ‘Wherefore, my brethren, you also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that you should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.’

Okay, thanks.
It seems that marriage fidelity is a symbol for our relationship with God. (why God hates divorce) ???
The term "adulterous generation" had to do with some form of idolatry. (not sexual promiscuity)

Matthew 16:4 NIV
A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign,
but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah.”
Jesus then left them and went away.

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[VictoryinJesus]

The term "adulterous generation" had to do with some form of idolatry. (not sexual promiscuity)

Agree it’s not sexual promiscuity, although I can see that it is a form of promiscuity in all the passages that speak of an adulterous woman. All of her identifiers is she wanders about, she doesn’t stay where she should but her feet are quick to shed blood, how she stands on the street corners and calls out to her fellows, deceiving them and tempting them to come drink of her love …for example proverbs where she has decked her bed with the best tapestry and perfumed her bed but her way leads to death. A lot of the passages on her (the adulterous woman) does sound “sexual” but personally I don’t think it is “sex” as we give promiscuity its meaning. but instead “a coupling”, an intimacy of …her house is death, her way leads to death and all who are captured in her deceptions lay with her on her bed…see it does sound sexual. How she(the adulterous woman) lures fellows to come have their full of her. But to me …clearly it’s not sexual although it is…in the sense it is (spiritually) joining together with her (the adulterous woman’s) body. Same as the adulterous woman identifiers are such…to me “woman” has another meaning in there are two covenants: which are two women. One is an adulterous woman(the Jerusalem which now is)…one is the free woman from above (New Jerusalem).
As long as we think only gender…we miss (Imo) all the verses pertaining to “women”.

You said: “It seems that marriage fidelity is a symbol for our relationship with God. (why God hates divorce) ???”

I loss the quote. Agree fidelity is a symbol of our relationship with God. Consider why God hates divorce. Regarding the two covenants which are two women. Consider God provided “the Way” for the woman to be called no more an adulterous woman …God hating divorce…in Romans 7 “by the body of Jesus Christ” “the Way” is shown where there is no divorce but “by the body of Jesus Christ” she is freed from being bound to the law of her husband when her husband be dead. She is loosed. Does God prefer “divorcement” or “by the body of Christ” likewise you are (made)free to marry another, even He who raised from the dead?

Very significant to me that instead of divorcing God provided by the body of Jesus Christ for freedom from divorce..where by the body of Jesus Christ you are free to bring forth fruit unto God. No more called an adulterous woman by the body of Jesus Christ. Significant is He loosed the pains of death. a woman doesn’t seek divorce from her husband when her husband is dead…then she is free.