How to Test the Spirits?

[Fred J]

The 12 disciples had Jesus and His words/teaching of spirit and life in them after His ascension. And when the Holy Spirit dwell with them on the day of Pentecost, He will guide them into all truth, based on what they've already been disciple in. For He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify Me: for He shall receive of Mine, and shall shew it unto them. (John 16:13&14)

"And when He(Spirit) is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgement: Of sin, because they believe not in Me; Of righteousness, because I go to My FATHER, and ye see Me no more; Of judgement, because the prince of this world is judged." (John16:8-11)

The Spirit will guide them into all truth later, because Jesus have yet many things to say unto them, but they cannot bear them now with Him. (John16:12)

Conclusion; From the Gospel according to Matthew until to the Revelation according to John in the New Testament is the result of it. To us who have the Holy Bible and the anointing from GOD abide in us, we are teachable in the All Scripture within. (1John2:27)(2Timothy3:16&17)

 

[One 2 question]

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth;

What an insight Paul received. What an experience he had. What knowledge was imparted to him. Taught to him by the Spirit of God in him.

Now, that gives you and I hope and inspiration knowing that He who lived in Paul, lives in us also and He Who taught Paul teaches us.

Personally, I haven't needed to be taught by a human teacher for years. I am taught by the Divine Teacher directly. I do not need Paul, Peter, John or any other teacher from the early or current church to teach me. Am I being arrogant? I don't believe so as I go straight to the Source, my Creators, and not to any mediator.

For the, not mature, I can see that they may require the assistance of those mature followers of Christ until they become mature, and can serve the immature. Why? So they can learn how to go directly to the Source, the Holy Spirit Who teaches, guides, and transforms them into the likeness of our Creators.

Oh, the joy of pointing people to the Creators and to see them mature so they can point others to the Creators.

 

[Ritajanice]

What an insight Paul received. What an experience he had. What knowledge was imparted to him. Taught to him by the Spirit of God in him.

Now, that gives you and I hope and inspiration knowing that He who lived in Paul, lives in us also and He Who taught Paul teaches us.

Amen!...the Living Holy Spirit teaches us via his Spirit.

Personally, I haven't needed to be taught by a human teacher for years. I am taught by the Divine Teacher directly. I do not need Paul, Peter, John or any other teacher from the early or current church to teach me. Am I being arrogant? I don't believe so as I go straight to the Source, my Creators, and not to any mediator.

Amen!..same here , we have direct communication with God via His Spirit witnessing Gods truth to our spirit.

No arrogance in that, as we are Glorifying the Father with our testimony.

For the, not mature, I can see that they may require the assistance of those mature followers of Christ until they become mature, and can serve the immature. Why? So they can learn how to go directly to the Source, the Holy Spirit Who teaches, guides, and transforms them into the likeness of our Creators.

Amen!!....I think I am still immature...I still get involved in arguing, I ask God to give me his grace in this area.....the old mindset still wants to rear its ugly head....God has definitely got me on the right track, he will never give up on me in that area, I talk with him all day mostly, every day, xx

Oh, the joy of pointing people to the Creators and to see them mature so they can point others to the Creators.

Amen!!

We always point to the Living God who has shown us such mercy and grace, by becoming Born Again,xx

 

[Hobie]

Surely @Hobie, If we are true Christians and Christ lives in us by His Holy Spirit and our prayers- in our own language - are directed to our Heavenly Father, how could we then have a different spirit enter us. ?

We can claim we have the 'spirit' but that doesn't make it so as we see the many times 'unclean spirits' in scripture, so they are out there..

 

[Johann]

How do you test the spirits, and prophets to see if they are false, as we have many that say they have the 'spirit' or the 'spirit allows them to speak in tongues', or they were told to do or say things 'by a spirit', or give 'prophecies or interpretation from a spirit', etc.. Scripture definably tells us to do this...
1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

There are indeed many false spirits and false prophets out in the world today, which are deceiving many. So how can we recognize a false spirit or the spirit of a false prophet or teacher and don’t be taken in by them. And how do we test them?

Well the Bible lists a series of tests that can be applied to test the spirits or prophets to determine whether they are genuine or not. Taken individually, it is possible to counterfeit many of these tests, but collectively, they provide an impassable barrier to these false spirits or prophets, as even in Bible times we see them at work.

Acts 16:16
And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

Those with these false spirits can quote scripture or have demons help them and have some of their 'divinations' come true, but they can still be false and lead God's people astray. John says that we must test the spirits to see whether they are from God and this means that we must test what the spirits are saying, or doing, or telling us to say. So lets see the tests..

1) A true spirit or prophet's message will be in complete harmony with the word of God and the law of God.
Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

2) A true spirit or prophet's will produce the attributes given us in the scripture, goodness, righteousness and truth as well as love and more.
Ephesians 5:9
(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance:..

3) A true spirit or prophet gives counsel to edify the church, and has a grace and wisdom from God.
Luke 2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.
1 Corinthians 14:3-5
3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
5 I would that ye all spake with tongues but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

4) A true spirit or prophet will exalt Christ as the Son of God and the Saviour of mankind, and lift up the church, the body of Christ.
1 John 4:11-15
12 No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
13 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.
14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Ephesians 2:11-13
11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

5) The true spirit or prophet will bear good fruit and give Gods truth with great authority.

Matthew 7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Matthew 7:29
For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Mark 1:22
And they were astonished at his doctrine: for he taught them as one that had authority, and not as the scribes.

Luke 1:17
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

Jesus is the supreme example, and He spoke those things which He had seen and heard from the Father, and we see the spirit preparing and turning the people to Christ.

SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

Greek Terms for Testing -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

 

[Johann]

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

There are indeed many false spirits and false prophets out in the world today, which are deceiving many. So how can we recognize a false spirit or the spirit of a false prophet or teacher and don’t be taken in by them. And how do we test them?

"every spirit" Spirit is used in the sense of a human person. See note at 1Jn_4:6. This refers to a supposed message from God. Heresy comes from within the church (cf. 1Jn_2:19). The false teachers were claiming to speak for God. John asserts that there are two spiritual sources, God or Satan, behind human speech and action.

"but test the spirits" This is a Present active imperative. This is both a spiritual gift (cf. 1Co_12:10; 1Co_14:29) and a necessity for every believer, as are prayer, evangelism, and giving.

This Greek word dokimazô has the connotation of "to test with a view toward approval." Believers must think the best of others unless the worst is proven (cf. 1Co_13:4-7; 1Th_5:20-21).
SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

"because many false prophets have gone out into the world" This is a perfect active indicative (cf. Jer_14:14; Jer_23:21; Jer_29:8; Mat_7:15; Mat_24:11; Mat_24:24; Act_20:28-30; 2Pe_2:1; 1Jn_2:18-19; 1Jn_2:24; 1Jn_3:7; 2Jn_1:7). The implication is that they have left the church (house churches), yet continue to claim that they speak for God.
See SPECIAL TOPIC: NT Prophecy at Joh_4:19

1Jn_4:2 "By this you know the Spirit of God" This grammatical form is either a present active indicative (a statement) or present active imperative (a command). This same ambiguity of form is in "abide," 1Jn_2:27 and "know," 1Jn_2:29. The Holy Spirit always magnifies Jesus (cf. Joh_14:26; Joh_15:26; Joh_16:13-15). This same test can be seen in Paul's writings in 1Co_12:3.

1. "every spirit that confesses" This is a present active indicative which points to a continuing profession, not a past affirmation of faith. The Greek term "confess" is a compound from "the same" and "to speak," meaning "to say the same thing." This is a recurrent theme in 1 John (cf. 1Jn_1:9; 1Jn_2:23; 1Jn_4:2-3; 1Jn_4:15; Joh_9:22; 2Jn_1:7). This term implies specific, public, vocal acknowledgment of one's affirmation of and commitment to the gospel of Jesus Christ. See Special Topic at Joh_9:22.

"that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God" This is a perfect active participle. This is the essential doctrinal test for the false teachers (i.e., Gnostics) whom John was combating in this book. Its basic assertion is that Jesus is fully human (i.e., flesh, which the Gnostics denied) as well as fully God (cf. 1Jn_1:1-4; 2Jn_1:7; Joh_1:14; 1Ti_3:16). The perfect tense affirms that Jesus' humanity was not temporary, but permanent. This was not a minor issue. Jesus is truly one with humanity and one with God.

1Jn_4:3 "every spirit that does not confess Jesus" It is theologically interesting that the old Latin version of the NT and the Patristic writers, Clement, Origen of Alexandria, Irenaeus, and Tertullian have leui (looses), which implies "separating Jesus," apparently into a human spirit and a separate divine spirit which so characterized second century Gnostic writings. But this is a textual addition which reflects the early church's life and death struggle with heresy (see Bart Erhart, The Orthodox Corruption of Scripture, pp. 125-135).

Utley.

J.

 

[Ritajanice]

Test what comes out of the mouth of a believer, let’s be honest, everyone here has a different understanding of scripture, well, not all maybe, some believe scripture to be saying the same thing.

Some don’t, so the merry go round, “ Goes round and round” if not carefulI ,I too mounts that merry go round, just my thoughts.

 

[DJT_47]

How to "test a spirit or prophet"? Simple: there are no prophets today. The gifts of the Spirit (miraculous manifestations) have ceased long ago including prophesying.

And now we have scripture to check and double check false teaching/teachers or the spirit which drives them.

 

[MA2444]

SPECIAL TOPIC: GREEK TERMS FOR TESTING AND THEIR CONNOTATIONS

Greek Terms for Testing -- Special Topic by Dr. Bob Utley, professor of hermeneutics (retired).

www.freebiblecommentary.org

I already had Matthew 6 open this morning, lol. That's a powerful verse right there Brother. Perhaps one the best verses in scripture?

Matthew 6:13
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen..../KJV

Temptation is almost never fun, but it's the next portion of that line, Deliver us from evil...I tik this one might be just as powerful as, in Jesus name! Or almost.

But I thought about it, and, one day (you never know), I could come face to face with a UFO or an demonic alien, or a sasquatch, or a Nephilim. Who knows. but coming up against a Nephilim or a sasquatch may be very similar to David taking the field with Goliath? Can you imagine doing that? How can you take out a Nephilim? You cant, without the Lord. Lord, deliver us from evil...!!

I remember hearing a testimony about some Christian lady who prayed the Lords prayer every day and knew it by heart. She and her husband was out at night sky watching for some reason, and they both saw a big ufo come and hover above them. She got so scared so fast because, well it was Alien and prolly demonic. She said she almost froze in fear and she muttered the words, deliver us from evil...and the ufo shout up and out of sight! It left immediately!

Deliver us from evil!
Another one I heard about was a man went camping with his family and had to hike in. Mom, dad, a couple kids, the works, walking up the trail. They roundeded a bend and spooked a bear, which began to charge them immediately and he said his Family flashed before his eyes and he didnt have time to do anything except say the words, in Jesus name I command you to Stop! And the bear kickep a bunch of dust it stopped so fast and it turned and walked into the trees...

Wow.

 

[MA2444]

How to "test a spirit or prophet"? Simple: there are no prophets today. The gifts of the Spirit (miraculous manifestations) have ceased long ago including prophesying.

And now we have scripture to check and double check false teaching/teachers or the spirit which drives them.

That's not true and I know from experience. Miracles did not cease, the Lords Prophets did not cease.

How many testimonies of mine would you like to hear of miracles?

 

[amigo de christo]

Test what comes out of the mouth of a believer, let’s be honest, everyone here has a different understanding of scripture, well, not all maybe, some believe scripture to be saying the same thing.

Some don’t, so the merry go round, “ Goes round and round” if not carefulI ,I too mounts that merry go round, just my thoughts.

The beauty of it is , that it is far more simple than man and his precepts have made it .
What i have noticed is the more one reads the scrips for themselves that in time the more things become clearer .
And that when brethren simply even read the bible together , With no agenda other than to just enjoy and learn ,
THEM brethren do come to the same understanding and you can bet that understanding wont contradict other places of scrips .
The more we just read and enjoy and love the scrips and pray it will come together as it ought too .
Rita , its man that has made this so complicated . i mean how many different teachings do we have out there .
We have to unlearn them and just learn the truth . The best way to do that , Read for ourselves
and with others who desire the same .

 

[Ritajanice]

@MA2444 ..

Said.....That's not true and I know from experience. Miracles did not cease



Amen!!...I was Born Of God’s seed by divine revelation...what’s that if it’s not a miracle.

Praise God, always opening our hearts/ minds to receive divine revelation.

Acts 16:14

14 One who heard us was a woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple goods, twho was a worshiper of God. The Lord uopened her heart to pay attention to what was said by Paul.

 

[MA2444]

@MA2444 ..

Said.....That's not true and I know from experience. Miracles did not cease



Amen!!...I was Born Of God’s seed by divine revelation...what’s that if it’s not a miracle.

Praise God, always opening our hearts/ minds to receive divine revelation.

That's the thing about experience. The man who has experience is never at the mercy of a man with doctrine!

Why does God answer so many of my prayers and even help me supernaturally and not many others? It's several things. Disobedience. I'm not saying I'm sin free because of course I'm not.
But I am pressing in to the Lord through prayer and reading His word so He giives me grace. and this is called, Obedience.
You have not because you ask not.

But mostly I think is that many people still have some sort of sin in their lives, and not little stuff! If they would press in to the Lord and pray and read His word daily like He told us to in scripture, then they would be granted the graces to overcome thier sin lifestyle, and when you cut sin out of your life...and walk in faith...they would see miracles also. That's normal Christianity in my book. I have at least small miracles every day. I dont share much of that because you kind of had to be there and there would be much doubt and trying to explain it to me how oh that wasnt God, that was a coincidence! So I only share the bigger things where there could be no other answer except, it was the Lord. I just seen a miracle!

And there are prophets allover Youtube!Some good, some false, much prayer. Scripture has made me very hesitant to talk down on any so called false prophet, that's dangerous to talk down who could be God's man! Jesus wasnt accepted in His own home town. They were full of unbelief! He isnt the Messiah, that's Jesus, Josephs son blahblahblaj.

So I dont talk much or name prophets either because people would try to sow doubt into me about this guy or that guy. No thanks. If anyone wants to listen to prophets in Youtube, just pray about it that the Holy Spirit lead you into all truth, and let Him pick a video for you!
He will! Ask me how I know, lol!

 

[One 2 question]

How to "test a spirit or prophet"? Simple: there are no prophets today. The gifts of the Spirit (miraculous manifestations) have ceased long ago including prophesying.

And now we have scripture to check and double check false teaching/teachers or the spirit which drives them.

How does one test what spirit is within you and speaking through you? Is it by testing what you speak. Someone said, out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. What spirit is in your heart when you state (speak),

There are no prophets today. The gifts of the Spirit (miraculous manifestations) have ceased long ago including prophesying.

 

[Ritajanice]

@MA2444 ...not sure what you mean by sin, we differ there I’m afraid, and no, I’m not debating it, I believe what I believe, like you believe what you believe...... my mind is closed to the sin debate.

I put it down to pride and ego....plus Gods in control, ..when we’re ready to receive more knowledge, then it’s all in his timing, after all who is making us into the image of Jesus...I’m not saying we don’t do our bit...I just see it differently ,that is all..like others do the same, whose to say who is right...no one really knows, only the Lord. Just my thoughts.

 

[MA2444]

How does one test what spirit is within you and speaking through you? Is it by testing what you speak. Someone said, out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks. What spirit is in your heart when you state (speak),

That's a good question! The short answer is, you have to pay attention to the voice within you.

We have quite a few voices within us. Once you get used to paying attetion it gets easier to tell who is speaking. If it is your spirit speaking it will never disagree with scripture because God's Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit (Talks to, in direct contact) so our spirit always knows the right thing to do. If your soul is talking, it is guarenteed to disagree with scripture! (These two are the two wolves spoken of in the Chrokee Prophecy). The enemy can whisper thoughts into your head and entice you to sin or speak doubt to you about God. Then we also have a conscience that speaks to us. Everyone has a conscience and even unbelievers and the conscience will either accuse you of doing wrong or confirm for you that you did right. On top of all those voices there is another voice. A still small voice that is hard to hear but is there. So it's sorta getting crowded in my head hey?

The longer you pay attention to the voices in your head the more you notice the differences in how they talk. And it gets fairly easy to know who is talking. Men speak from the heart, and women do too dangit! Oh wait that's for the Feminism thread, lol.

If you have bad thoughts at times, that is not a sin. It's what you do with that bad thought that counts. You can embrace it and dwell on it, then at some point it enters your heart and becomes a part of who you are. Or you cant take that bad thought captive when it first pops into your head in the name of Jesus and give it to Him, and then think about something else. Then it doesnt enter your heart and do damage!

Phillipians 4:8
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things..../KJV

Think on these things and that will be what enters your heart and will fall off your tongue! If you arent sure at first who is talking, ask. Lord is that you? He woke me up this morning at 3 Am and the first thing I said was, Lord is that you?!

 

[MA2444]

@MA2444 ...not sure what you mean by sin, we differ there I’m afraid, and no, I’m not debating it, I believe what I believe, like you believe what you believe...... my mind is closed to the sin debate.

I put it down to pride and ego....plus Gods in control, ..when we’re ready to receive more knowledge, then it’s all in his timing, after all who is making us into the image of Jesus...I’m not saying we don’t do our bit...I just see it differently ,that is all..like others do the same, whose to say who is right...no one really knows, only the Lord. Just my thoughts.

You are on the right track and I know exactly where you're coming from, so it's good.

Now I understand that no man can really say he is sin free, and yet, it isnt that hard to not sin! Even so, I am the righteousness of God in Chrsit so I do not sin. That's true, but it is spoken from the spirit and not the flesh. God gave me a new spirit and it was righteous thru the blood of Jesus and all things have become new.

So like Paul said, it is not I that sin, but sin that is my flesh. That is spoken about the soul and the flesh since they walk hand in hand. And until we are fully redeemed I might do what I dont want to do, and not do what I do want to do...And He told us...Endure my children until the end...

If you scratch any sin, you will find pride underneath. In fact, anything not done in faith, is sin. (What does that even mean?) well, it's got to do with Be led by the Spirit, Pray unceasingly. Dont make any decisions for yourself! Bug the Lord and say hey Lord what should I do here? I ask Him quite frequently if I should buy this or that in the store. Usually he says no dont buy that, it is unneeded! Lol. The Lord Loves small talk! It makes for more conversation and He loves that! Plus if your standing there talking to the Lord then you are aware of His presence with you and that's always good.

How long can you go without sinning at all?

 

[Marvelloustime]

The beauty of it is , that it is far more simple than man and his precepts have made it .
What i have noticed is the more one reads the scrips for themselves that in time the more things become clearer .
And that when brethren simply even read the bible together , With no agenda other than to just enjoy and learn ,
THEM brethren do come to the same understanding and you can bet that understanding wont contradict other places of scrips .
The more we just read and enjoy and love the scrips and pray it will come together as it ought too .
Rita , its man that has made this so complicated . i mean how many different teachings do we have out there .
We have to unlearn them and just learn the truth . The best way to do that , Read for ourselves
and with others who desire the same .

@amigo de christo

@amigo de christo

 

[Ritajanice]

@MA2444 .

Says.Now I understand that no man can really say he is sin free, and yet, it isnt that hard to not sin! Even so, I am the righteousness of God in Chrsit so I do not sin. That's true, but it is spoken from the spirit and not the flesh. God gave me a new spirit and it was righteous thru the blood of Jesus and all things have become new.

So like Paul said, it is not I that sin, but sin that is my flesh. That is spoken about the soul and the flesh since they walk hand in hand. And until we are fully redeemed I might do what I dont want to do, and not do what I do want to do...And He told us...Endure my children until the end...


RJ says...I have never said I am free of my sin body..even though I live in my sin body, my spirit has been set free and it’s in Christ ...

[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

My spirit is in the righteousness of Christ/ my spirit is right with God, not my flesh.

My spirit cannot sin because it’s been Born Of God’s seed, that came by divine revelation.

The Holy Spirit cannot indwell the heart/ spirit of a sinner, our body houses the Holy Spirit .

It’s the old man the one that continually dies from day to day, we’re in the new man ,we have a new heart/ spirit within, that happens the moment we are Born Of God’s seed...Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed...that seed that we have been Born of is Gods seed the Holy Spirit.... hence Spirit gives birth to our spirit, which is a Living spirit birth, that came by divine revelation.

Also remember Brother you aren’t the Holy Spirit, only He and he alone can open our hearts and minds to receive his truth by divine revelation ..we should not push our beliefs onto another.

You have voiced your opinions and beliefs, no more valid than anyone else’s, as is mine also, no more valid than yours or anyone else’s.....once you think you are preaching the truth ,forcing your truth onto others, we run into trouble....God never forces his truth onto anyone...just my thoughts..said with respect and Love.

This is where imo a lot of us go wrong, then we can get nasty, if the other disagrees with us..or vice versa.

1 John 3:9
King James Version
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[MA2444]

RJ says...I have never said I am free of my sin body..even though I live in my sin body, my spirit has been set free and it’s in Christ ...

[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

My spirit cannot sin because it’s been Born Of God’s seed, that came by divine revelation.

The Holy Spirit cannot indwell the heart/ spirit of a sinner, our body houses the Holy Spirit .

It’s the old man the one that continually dies from day to day, we’re in the new man ,we have a new heart/ spirit within, that happens the moment we are Born Of God’s seed...Born Again of imperishable/ incorruptible seed...that seed that we have been Born of is Gods seed the Holy Spirit.... hence Spirit gives birth to our spirit, which is a Living spirit birth, that came by divine revelation.

I think I said the same thing, lol. I just said it differently.

Also remember Brother you aren’t the Holy Spirit, only He and he alone can open our hearts and minds to receive his truth by divine revelation ..we should not push our beliefs onto another.

You have voiced your opinions and beliefs, no more valid than anyone else’s, as is mine also, no more valid than yours or anyone else’s.....once you think you are preaching the truth ,forcing your truth onto others, we run into trouble....God never forces his truth onto anyone...just my thoughts..said with respect and Love.

This is where imo a lot of us go wrong, then we can get nasty, if the other disagrees with us..or vice versa.

What? I'm not forcing anything upon anyone. I'm just stating how I understand it. My apologies if you think I was trying to start something!

I dont see any difference between what we believe, only in how we talk!
Unless you left something out?