How many worlds filled with people has God made?

[talons]

God gave Moses information and the words he passed on to us, written in the Torah, that's all we need to know of our beginnings.

Is it really about our beginning's or our endings with what is found in the book of Enoch .

Clip from Link I will share .

Accepted in the Time of Christ​

For many Jews in Israel at the time of Christ the Book of Enoch was held in high regard. This fact has been confirmed by the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, in the late 1940’s. At that time approximately 800 books and/or parts of books were discovered in caves near the Dead Sea in Israel. The top five most represented books in the Dead Sea Scrolls rank in this order, the books of Psalms, Isaiah, Deuteronomy, the Book of Jubilees, and the Book of Enoch. More copies of the Book of Enoch were stored in those caves than the first four books of Moses and most of the other books of the Old Testament! Scrolls of the Book of Enoch were stored with the books of the Hebrew Bible and treated with equal care and concern for their preservation. The recovery of these ancient copies of the Book of Enoch in the land of promise coincided with the rebirth of the nation of Israel in 1947.

Rediscovering Enoch

rediscovering.thebookofenoch.info

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Enoch never wrote anything down. There was one language at the time and before the Flood likely nothing was written and ZERO proof exists that there was! The earliest confirmed writing systems, like cuneiform in Mesopotamia and hieroglyphs in Egypt.
Since I am a YEC, I believe the flood happened about 2340 BC. Noah's family repopulated the earth and spread throughout the world. Within 200 years Babylon rose, and likely within a generation or two, God scattered it's people and created hundreds of languages. Cuneiform writings began after the FLOOD. Abraham was born about 2166 BC.
God gave Moses information and the words he passed on to us, written in the Torah, that's all we need to know of our beginnings.
Everything except for Noah's family, animals on the ARK (with also the exception of sea life) and food was DESTROYED. THE BOOK OF ENOCH was fabricated. Job is likely the oldest book. Any truth preserved is in our Bible. The only truth that Enoch uttered that was meant to be passed on was mentioned in Jude.

You’re trying to shut down an entire cosmic truth with a shovel full of dogma and a Young Earth timeline that reads more like a spreadsheet than a revelation.

First off — let’s dispense with this tired line: “There’s no proof Enoch wrote anything because there was no writing before the Flood.” That’s like saying nothing existed before the microscope because you can’t see it with the naked eye. The absence of surviving parchment doesn’t mean the absence of transmission. Oral tradition existed long before cuneiform, and you’re forgetting that Enoch “walked with God” — he didn’t need a Sumerian scribe to archive his encounter with Heaven.

The Dead Sea Scrolls didn’t just “mention” Enoch — they preserved multiple full copies, which were stored right alongside Isaiah and Genesis like canonical equals. So save me with the “fabricated” label. The Messiah’s own brother, Jude, didn’t just quote Enoch like a casual reference — he called him “the seventh from Adam”, verbatim, and quoted prophecy attributed directly to him. If that’s a fabrication, then Jude is a liar — or God inspired a lie. Pick one.

You say, “The only truth that Enoch uttered was in Jude.” That’s rich. So you believe God reached back into a fabricated book, cherry-picked a single verse, had His Spirit inspire an apostle to quote it word-for-word… and then told the rest of us, “Ignore the context”? That’s not discernment — that’s doctrinal damage control.

What makes you so sure the Book of Enoch wasn't carried through the Flood? You say “everything was destroyed” — except for Noah and his family. And who was Enoch’s great-grandson? Noah. You think Noah didn’t preserve anything from his own grandfather, a man who walked with God and was taken? You think a man entrusted to carry the seed of humanity across a global judgment would just toss away prophecy that directly warned of that judgment?

The Book of Enoch was intentionally buried, not lost.
It was buried because it names names, exposes the Watchers, and gives you the full origin story of evil — not just its symptoms. It describes a rebellion from Heaven, the creation of giants, the spread of sorcery, pharmakeia, genetic abominations, and fallen knowledge that led to the world’s annihilation.

That doesn’t play well with tidy Sunday School theology with Noah standing under a rainbow with God depicted up in the clouds with a white beard and shepherds staff. Ridiculous. That image belongs on a nursery wall, not in the mind of someone trying to understand a global reset engineered by Heaven because the entire created order had been hijacked by angelic rebels and their monstrous offspring creating Hell on earth.

The real story isn’t cute.
It’s terrifying. It’s cosmic. It’s existential warfare.

Noah wasn’t a bearded grandpa under a rainbow. He was a chosen remnant, the last uncontaminated bloodline of Adam, carrying prophetic knowledge, genetic purity, and the weight of a dying world on his back — all while knowing that what came before him was too evil to be allowed to survive.

And Enoch? That wasn’t just bedtime prophecy. That was a classified document from Heaven — a divine intelligence briefing that warned of everything we’re seeing resurface right now: hybridization, pharmakeia, perversion, and occult tech.

So instead of wrestling with that truth, you bury it under the mantra: “All we need is the Torah.” Sounds familiar. That’s what the Pharisees said. That’s what the Council of Laodicea did. And that’s what Rome finished.

But the moment Enoch came out of that cave in the 40s, people like you started panicking (along with the Vatican). Because if Enoch is true — and if the corruption of the Watchers really happened — then the story we’ve inherited is incomplete.
Not false.
Incomplete.

And some of us aren’t content with half the truth just because it fits nicely in a canon sealed by imperial vote.

You want Job? Fine.
But don’t act like Enoch is a threat because it came from the desert and not your seminary.

The real reason you fear that book is because it unmasks too much.
And it dares to say what you won’t:
That evil has a bloodline.
And we’re still dealing with it.

 

[Dash RipRock]

So do you think there is any problem with educating satan?

Feel free to love satan and start a ministry to educate satan and his demons.

Maybe invite them in to your life and see what happens.

Oops indeed.

Yep, it's a big oops to claim Jesus was a failure in that He failed to see to it that the writings of God didn't make it in to the Bible.

We see all across scripture how the Lord gets His will done in spite of rebellious men standing in opposition to Him, but somehow the Lord failed to get Enoch included in His canon

Feel free to continue believing the devil tricked or outsmarted the Lord on this issue, but I'm not buying it.

Simply put, if the Lord considered the Book of Enoch to be His inspired Word, it never would have been removed from His canon.

There were other books removed from His canon too, so were those removed in error as well?

The only truth that Enoch uttered that was meant to be passed on was mentioned in Jude.

Has anyone actually found what Jude said Enoch prophesied in the Book of Enoch?

 

[Dash RipRock]

For many Jews in Israel at the time of Christ the Book of Enoch was held in high regard.

Do you think it's a good idea to get spiritual advice from those that rejected Jesus?

 

[Dash RipRock]

The Dead Sea Scrolls didn’t just “mention” Enoch — they preserved multiple full copies, which were stored right alongside Isaiah and Genesis like canonical equals

If that's what constitutes "canonical equals", then sounds like claiming that the Lord really goofed up by not making sure all these other writings were put in to His canon

Numerous other works were found right alongside Isaiah and Genesis such as the Book of Jubilees, the Book of Tobit, the Wisdom of Sirach, the Community Rule, the War Scroll, the Pesher on Habakkuk, and The Rule of the Blessing

Something is really off with this obsession of the book of Enoch.

 

[soberxp]

Feel free to love satan and start a ministry to educate satan and his demons.

Maybe invite them in to your life and see what happens.

At the beginning, God said to the woman and Satan, "Your descendants are enemies to each other."

God also instructs us in the Gospel to love your enemies.

So do you think there is any problem with educating Satan?

So you do not obey the Word of God, nor do you consider yourself a descendant of the woman. Then who are you? Descendants of the serpent?

 

[Dash RipRock]

At the beginning, God said to the woman and Satan, "Your descendants are enemies to each other."

God also instructs us in the Gospel to love your enemies.

So do you think there is any problem with educating Satan?

So you do not obey the Word of God, nor do you consider yourself a descendant of the woman. Then who are you? Descendants of the serpent?

As stated, feel free to love satan.

 

[lforrest]

At the beginning, God said to the woman and Satan, "Your descendants are enemies to each other."

God also instructs us in the Gospel to love your enemies.

So do you think there is any problem with educating Satan?

So you do not obey the Word of God, nor do you consider yourself a descendant of the woman. Then who are you? Descendants of the serpent?

Satan is more intelligent and crafty than any of us humans. He knows the scriptures and he knows his days are numbered. There is no reason to teach him. You will not change him, and his fate is sealed.

To think otherwise is pure arrogance. It should be clear that the scriptures were speaking of human enemies.

 

[soberxp]

Satan is more intelligent and crafty than any of us humans. He knows the scriptures and he knows his days are numbered. There is no reason to teach him. You will not change him, and his fate is sealed.

To think otherwise is pure arrogance. It should be clear that the scriptures were speaking of human enemies.

But where are the descendants of the serpent?
How does the devil possess human beings?
Sign....

 

[lforrest]

But where are the descendants of the serpent?
How does the devil possess human beings?
Sign....

The descendants of the serpent refer to all people who are spiritual descendents of Satan. They are all who have not been born again of the Spirit of God. Those born again are God's spiritual descendants. There are only two sides to this war.

Most are not possessed by Satan, but are more subtilly influenced. You can tell when there is an inclination to kill, steal, and destroy like their father the devil.

 

[Dash RipRock]

satan is more intelligent and crafty than any of us humans

Except for the mature Christians who know God's Word and who wait upon the Lord to get His wisdom and leading.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

You’re trying to shut down an entire cosmic truth with a shovel full of dogma and a Young Earth timeline that reads more like a spreadsheet than a revelation.

First off — let’s dispense with this tired line: “There’s no proof Enoch wrote anything because there was no writing before the Flood.” That’s like saying nothing existed before the microscope because you can’t see it with the naked eye. The absence of surviving parchment doesn’t mean the absence of transmission. Oral tradition existed long before cuneiform, and you’re forgetting that Enoch “walked with God” — he didn’t need a Sumerian scribe to archive his encounter with Heaven.

The Dead Sea Scrolls didn’t just “mention” Enoch — they preserved multiple full copies, which were stored right alongside Isaiah and Genesis like canonical equals. So save me with the “fabricated” label. The Messiah’s own brother, Jude, didn’t just quote Enoch like a casual reference — he called him “the seventh from Adam”, verbatim, and quoted prophecy attributed directly to him. If that’s a fabrication, then Jude is a liar — or God inspired a lie. Pick one.

You say, “The only truth that Enoch uttered was in Jude.” That’s rich. So you believe God reached back into a fabricated book, cherry-picked a single verse, had His Spirit inspire an apostle to quote it word-for-word… and then told the rest of us, “Ignore the context”? That’s not discernment — that’s doctrinal damage control.

What makes you so sure the Book of Enoch wasn't carried through the Flood? You say “everything was destroyed” — except for Noah and his family. And who was Enoch’s great-grandson? Noah. You think Noah didn’t preserve anything from his own grandfather, a man who walked with God and was taken? You think a man entrusted to carry the seed of humanity across a global judgment would just toss away prophecy that directly warned of that judgment?

The Book of Enoch was intentionally buried, not lost.
It was buried because it names names, exposes the Watchers, and gives you the full origin story of evil — not just its symptoms. It describes a rebellion from Heaven, the creation of giants, the spread of sorcery, pharmakeia, genetic abominations, and fallen knowledge that led to the world’s annihilation.

That doesn’t play well with tidy Sunday School theology with Noah standing under a rainbow with God depicted up in the clouds with a white beard and shepherds staff. Ridiculous. That image belongs on a nursery wall, not in the mind of someone trying to understand a global reset engineered by Heaven because the entire created order had been hijacked by angelic rebels and their monstrous offspring creating Hell on earth.

The real story isn’t cute.
It’s terrifying. It’s cosmic. It’s existential warfare.

Noah wasn’t a bearded grandpa under a rainbow. He was a chosen remnant, the last uncontaminated bloodline of Adam, carrying prophetic knowledge, genetic purity, and the weight of a dying world on his back — all while knowing that what came before him was too evil to be allowed to survive.

And Enoch? That wasn’t just bedtime prophecy. That was a classified document from Heaven — a divine intelligence briefing that warned of everything we’re seeing resurface right now: hybridization, pharmakeia, perversion, and occult tech.

So instead of wrestling with that truth, you bury it under the mantra: “All we need is the Torah.” Sounds familiar. That’s what the Pharisees said. That’s what the Council of Laodicea did. And that’s what Rome finished.

But the moment Enoch came out of that cave in the 40s, people like you started panicking (along with the Vatican). Because if Enoch is true — and if the corruption of the Watchers really happened — then the story we’ve inherited is incomplete.
Not false.
Incomplete.

And some of us aren’t content with half the truth just because it fits nicely in a canon sealed by imperial vote.

You want Job? Fine.
But don’t act like Enoch is a threat because it came from the desert and not your seminary.

The real reason you fear that book is because it unmasks too much.
And it dares to say what you won’t:
That evil has a bloodline.
And we’re still dealing with it.

In the 90's, I occasionally attended Chuck Smith's Church in Costa Mesa to see and listen to his guest speaker, Chuck Missler. He was brilliant. Read several of his books, one of which was "The Return of the Nephilim". He believed in this hybrid as you do ... and that they would return! Nah, I didn't buy it.
Chuck Missler was a genius, so one would think he was spot on. I was fascinated with his apologetics approach books like The Divine Watchmaker. He'd get into astro-physics, the design that only could come from a Designer ... i took from him what was good and left the rest.
Oh well, as my Pastor used to teach us, "Test every teaching with scripture, pray, seek the guidance of the Spirit. I do.
I don't care to go back and forth, I gave my argument ... you can keep your beliefs. No offense, but I prefer to end this conversation.

Is the Book of Enoch Scripture since it was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls? | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

Explore Christian Apologetics, theology, and critical answers to today's questions about God, the Bible, and the Christian faith at Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry.

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[The Gospel of Christ]

In the 90's, I occasionally attended Chuck Smith's Church in Costa Mesa to see and listen to his guest speaker, Chuck Missler. He was brilliant. Read several of his books, one of which was "The Return of the Nephilim". He believed in this hybrid as you do ... and that they would return! Nah, I didn't buy it.
Chuck Missler was a genius, so one would think he was spot on. I was fascinated with his apologetics approach books like The Divine Watchmaker. He'd get into astro-physics, the design that only could come from a Designer ... i took from him what was good and left the rest.
Oh well, as my Pastor used to teach us, "Test every teaching with scripture, pray, seek the guidance of the Spirit. I do.
I don't care to go back and forth, I gave my argument ... you can keep your beliefs. No offense, but I prefer to end this conversation.

Is the Book of Enoch Scripture since it was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls? | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

Explore Christian Apologetics, theology, and critical answers to today's questions about God, the Bible, and the Christian faith at Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry.

carm.org

Return?
They never left. They’ve been here for 5,000 years.
Right now, they’re running the world.

Can’t you tell?

Hybridization through tech — CRISPR, chimeras, AI-DNA fusion, brain chips — rewriting the image of God one genome at a time.

Pharmakeia unleashed — Big Pharma, mind-altering drugs, biotech rituals — modern sorcery baptized in science.

Demonic influence rising — ritual child sacrifice renamed “freedom,” sexual inversion glorified, fallen angel aesthetics saturating everything — and they dare call it progress.

One-world faith rising — interfaith unity without truth, preparing the throne for the Beast.

I’m done also. You don’t see it because you don’t want to see it.
The world is burning, and you're still arguing about the smoke.