How many kingdoms in Daniel?

[covenantee]

So, you are also showing that you believe that the Antichrist will be a human being and not a wicked fallen heavenly host as I am suggesting based on my understanding of the scriptures.

Oh well, you have shown your true colours now.

Bye, as I am not interested in continuing this conversation with you.

I believe what the Reformers believed.

With God's help, they achieved results which demonstrated the legitimacy and efficacy of their beliefs.

They didn't believe what you believe.

 

[Davy]

Greetings Davy,

Yes, I am a historicist and I still support the idea that the Little Horn of the Fourth Roman Beast of Daniel 7 is the Papacy and I consider that the Papacy is the Antichrist who will oppose Christ when Christ returns and when Christ begins to establish the Temple Throne of David in Jerusalem. I consider that this opposition will commence AFTER the Battle of Armageddon Ezekiel 38, Revelation 16:12-16. Who do you consider to be the Little Horn of the Fourth Beast in Daniel 7?

Kind regards
Trevor

Well, you've got several of those events out of the Scripture timeline.

1. the Papacy is not Jewish; Biblical Messiah is prophesied to be from the tribe of Judah. Just that Biblical fact alone completely destroys the old Reformer's idea about Rome and a pope.

2. the Antichrist at the end of this world, i.e. the pseudo-Christ that Jesus warned us about in Matt.24, will not "oppose" Christ, he will instead MIMIC Christ, and try to trick the deceived into bowing in worship to him INSTEAD of Christ.

3. Jesus Christ will still not have returned yet when that Antichrist appears in Jerusalem to play God, and demand that all bow to him as God.

4. Jesus will only return after... that great tribulation by the Antichrist/false-Messiah/dragon's working to deceive those NOT sealed with God's seal.

5. It will be the "dragon" of Rev.13 that will come to Jerusalem to play Jesus Christ. That means Satan himself, in OUR earthly dimension, in plain sight, right here on earth. Only when the world still alive sees Jesus coming in the clouds after that will they begin to understand about that other dimension, the heavenly, and understand this fleshy world is just temporary.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again Davy,

I appreciate your response, but firstly I notice that you did not directly answer or expound what I asked last:

Who do you consider to be the Little Horn of the Fourth Beast in Daniel 7?

My view of the Antichrist DOES depend upon my understanding of the Little Horn of Daniel 7 and the various details associated with this Little Horn. Yes, this may be similar to what the Reformers expounded, but I will briefly comment on each of your points.

I find your response interesting, but overall different to my view as to who is the Antichrist, and when and where does he appear.

Well, you've got several of those events out of the Scripture timeline.

I suggest that what you have stated is the timeline that you have assessed, but I claim my understanding of the "Scriptural" timeline is different.

1. the Papacy is not Jewish; Biblical Messiah is prophesied to be from the tribe of Judah. Just that Biblical fact alone completely destroys the old Reformer's idea about Rome and a pope.

I do not accept that the Antichrist was to be or is Jewish. The Reformers got this right. The true Messiah, Jesus is Jewish, a descendant of Abraham and David.

2. the Antichrist at the end of this world, i.e. the pseudo-Christ that Jesus warned us about in Matt.24, will not "oppose" Christ, he will instead MIMIC Christ, and try to trick the deceived into bowing in worship to him INSTEAD of Christ.

Jesus in Matthew 24 is speaking about events leading up to AD 70. He is not identifying the latter day Antichrist.

3. Jesus Christ will still not have returned yet when that Antichrist appears in Jerusalem to play God, and demand that all bow to him as God.

I do not accept that the Antichrist will set himself up in Jerusalem. The verses that you allude to in 2 Thessalonians 2 speaks about the Papacy in Rome.
2 Thessalonians 2:3–4 (KJV): 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; 4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

4. Jesus will only return after... that great tribulation by the Antichrist/false-Messiah/dragon's working to deceive those NOT sealed with God's seal.

I do not accept your sequence here. I believe that Jesus will have already returned and will intervene in the Battle of Armageddon, and this phase will be complete before the Papacy plays the role of the Antichrist. This is the difference between Daniel 7 (Western Roman Empire) with emphasis on the religious aspect and Europe and the RCC, and Daniel 8 (Eastern Roman Empire) with the emphasis on the military aspect and Jerusalem and the Middle East.

5. It will be the "dragon" of Rev.13 that will come to Jerusalem to play Jesus Christ. That means Satan himself, in OUR earthly dimension, in plain sight, right here on earth. Only when the world still alive sees Jesus coming in the clouds after that will they begin to understand about that other dimension, the heavenly, and understand this fleshy world is just temporary.

This is in a sense your summary based upon the other aspects. I reject what you state here and your stitching together of these elements

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[covenantee]

Well, you've got several of those events out of the Scripture timeline.

1. the Papacy is not Jewish; Biblical Messiah is prophesied to be from the tribe of Judah. Just that Biblical fact alone completely destroys the old Reformer's idea about Rome and a pope.

2. the Antichrist at the end of this world, i.e. the pseudo-Christ that Jesus warned us about in Matt.24, will not "oppose" Christ, he will instead MIMIC Christ, and try to trick the deceived into bowing in worship to him INSTEAD of Christ.

3. Jesus Christ will still not have returned yet when that Antichrist appears in Jerusalem to play God, and demand that all bow to him as God.

4. Jesus will only return after... that great tribulation by the Antichrist/false-Messiah/dragon's working to deceive those NOT sealed with God's seal.

5. It will be the "dragon" of Rev.13 that will come to Jerusalem to play Jesus Christ. That means Satan himself, in OUR earthly dimension, in plain sight, right here on earth. Only when the world still alive sees Jesus coming in the clouds after that will they begin to understand about that other dimension, the heavenly, and understand this fleshy world is just temporary.

Looks like Francisco Ribera, the apostate papacy's Jesuit "Father of Futurism", has snagged another one.

 

[Davy]

Greetings again Davy,

I appreciate your response, but firstly I notice that you did not directly answer or expound what I asked last:

My view of the Antichrist DOES depend upon my understanding of the Little Horn of Daniel 7 and the various details associated with this Little Horn. Yes, this may be similar to what the Reformers expounded, but I will briefly comment on each of your points.

No, I did not respond to your final question. I responded to your speculation that the papacy is the little horn and antichrist, which I showed why that does not work (i.e., the antichrist to come will mimic MESSIAH, which Jesus has a Jewish heritage). Never heard of a Catholic pope that is an orthodox Jew born of the tribe of Judah, have you?

I find your response interesting, but overall different to my view as to who is the Antichrist, and when and where does he appear.

Already you are speculating even with your theory above about different 'views'. My view is the Biblical Scripture as written view. It comes directly from study of God's written Word. Like Apostle Paul said, all Christians are supposed to be saying the same things, which Paul was obviously pointing to staying with The Bible Scripture as written.

So I'm not interested in how many different 'views' people can create from Bible Scripture. That does not interest me. I want God's Truth in His Word, and that does not come by our own power alone, but must be aided by The Holy Spirit as given from The Father through His Son Jesus Christ.

But I will try and answer your question that I missed from your previous post...


You asked:
"Who do you consider to be the Little Horn of the Fourth Beast in Daniel 7?"

Dan 7:7-9
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
KJV

That "fourth beast" is about the "legs of iron" part of the Dan.2 beast statue, represented by it's "great iron teeth". It represented the old pagan Roman empire. Ten horns are linked with it above, which by itself here is not enough to define when it appears, since the Rev.12:3-4 beast that Lucifer originally rebelled with in the old world also had "ten horns".

Verse 9 seals the timing, with its thrones being cast down when The Ancient of Days comes at the end of this world to destroy it. So that is... pointing to that 4th beast timed with the very END of this world. But that doesn't make sense to our style of flesh logic, does it? Was that 4th beast the old Roman empire or not?

Yes, it was, but for those in Christ, we are supposed to look deeper at this, because the feet of ten toes made of iron mixed with clay is about a 5th beast in final, even though it is not literally spelled out as a 5th beast; and all... the previous beast pieces are mentioned falling together when The Stone the builders rejected returns to smite it upon its feet, pointing directly to the end of this world with Christ's future return.

But it does fit God's logic because in Daniel 2 He showed us that there will actually be a 5th BEAST kingdom setup for the end of this world that is to have feet made of that 'iron' mixed with clay, and is to have "ten horns" which are "ten kings" that only come to power with that beast king ("little horn" of Dan.8), which also Jesus linked the final beast with in Rev.17.

 

[Earburner]

Of course God came to set up His earthly kingdom which, according to Daniel, will never be destroyed but that is not what this (Daniel) is speaking about. There are 4 and only 4 kingdoms that come out of the earth or the sea. God's kingdom is not of this world.

It is true. In Daniel, there are only 4 beasts.
The 4th beast did show itself, being the Roman Empire, who was itself an additional head, having10 horns, being OF the 7 heads. All of such EVOLVED together into becoming the Composite Sea Beast, with the 4th beast as the 8th head on that Sea Beast in KJV Rev. 13:1-3, 17:11.

Those seven heads were/are:
1. Babylon- 1 head of gold.
2. Medio-Persia- 1 head of a "Ram".
3. Grecian Empire- 1 head of a "He Goat".
4. Hellenistic kingdoms in the "latter time" of the Grecian Empire- the Four Generals of Alex the Great- 4 heads. KJV Dan. 7:6
All of which totals to 7 heads.

Q. So then, is the 4th beast with 10 horns a 7th head also,...or did it EVOLVE into the 8th head,... being OF the 7?
A. The 4th Beast in Daniel, was the Roman Empire, but in Rev. 17:11 it is the 8th head on the evolved "Composite Sea Beast", having 10 horns in Rev. 13:1-3, 17:11

 

[CTK]

You asked:
"Who do you consider to be the Little Horn of the Fourth Beast in Daniel 7?"

Dan 7:7-9
7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

PART 1

If you study Chapter 2 you discover that God has given Daniel a specfic "Dream Sequence" of verses (big picture), as well as He follows with a specific "Interpretation Sequence" of verses (details that fit or are to be placed WITHIN those "Dream Sequence" verses. Most of the Book of Daniel is presented this way (Hebrew chapters especially). Meaning, God is not presenting these verses in chronological order at all. One of the important, and necessary keys to interpreting Daniel is to identify those verses that fall into one of the two categories.

In Chapter 2, there is only one Dream and Interpretation Sequence of verses. However, in Chapter 7, there are two sets of Dream and interpretation Sequence verses; one is earthly and the other is a revealing of what takes place in the heavenly realm. If this is not understood, then it is almost impossible to determine if these prophecies belong at the time of Christ or are truely and end time prophecy. This was simply one of the more difficult ways that God has presented His many prophecies to us.

Up to verse 7:8, God has presented the 4 kingdoms on the earth with the 4th kingdom being pagan Rome who will be in existence during the most important time in the history of mankind, AND, where MOST of the Book of Daniel is focused on (Daniel is by no means an end time series of prophecies. The purpose of Daniel is to present the "restoration" of His people and His city back from exile which will culminate in the coming Messiah and the most important week in the Bible -His arrival and crucifixion WITHIN the last 7 years of the prophecy.

Next, we can move on to verse 9 to 14.

9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, Whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of His head like the pure wool: His throne was like the fiery flame, and His wheels as burning fire.
KJV

Here is the manner these four verses should be viewed and interpreted

1) First, verse 8 establishes the 4th kingdom of pagan Rome before the arrival of Jesus, (on earth),
2) Verses 9 and 10 present a "heavenly" picture of God seated and the court waiting. The books are opened and all the angels attend and surrond this most important event. We see the "Ancient of Days" seated... Everyone is waiting!


3) Verse 11 now shows what has taken place ON EARTH since verse 8:

a) the 4th beast kingdom of pagan Rome was slain and its body is destroyed (around 476 AD).
b) the little horn that "came out" of the 4th beast kingdom of pagan Rome (7:8), is now seen as speaking pompous things. This little horn has risen in power and will succeed pagan Rome after its demise. (little horn will come to sit atop the beast - 7:20),
c) so what has literally taken place ON EARTH between verses 8 and 11?

1) the Messiah would arrive on the first day of the last week of the prophecy and begin His ministry. He would be crucified exactly 3.5 years into the last 7 years. And after the cross, as mentioned, the 10 horns and the little horn would "come out" of pagan Rome (immediately after the cross),

4) Verses 13 and 14 will now show what takes place AFTER the Messiah is crucified and He returns to heaven;
a) Everyone seated at the court in heaven is awaiting the Messiah's return. One like the Son of Man (Jesus) was brought to the Ancient of Days. This is why everyone was waiting in verses 9 and 10 - for the Messiah to complete His God given mission on earth and return to His Father.
b) it is within these verses we find that Jesus would be given dominion and glory over all kingdoms, nations and peoples. This kingdom will never be destroyed.
c) verses 26 and 27 also speak to the heavenly realm. These are the two verses that represent the "Interpretation Sequence" verses that pertain to the heavenly "Dream Sequence" verses of 9 and 10 and 13 and 14.

5) the remaining verses in Chapter 7 discuss the "Interpretation Sequence" verses on earth. They add the details to the earlier mentioned "earthly Dream Sequence" verses.


Essentially, it is necessary to separte Chapter 7 into two separate catergories - an earthly set of prophecies (a Dream and and Interpretation series of verses), and a heavenly set of prophecies (also a Dream and Interpretation series of verses).

But an absolutely critical point to recognize is the timinng of the cross within these verses - the cross separates each set of verses relevant to the earthly and heavenly realms.

I cannot begin to tell you how long I suffered through these interpretations.... most of Daniel is not given in chronolocial fashion and this causes so much misinterpretation that causes almost all of Daniel to be viewed as "end time" prophecies.

That "fourth beast" is about the "legs of iron" part of the Dan.2 beast statue, represented by it's "great iron teeth". It represented the old pagan Roman empire. Ten horns are linked with it above, which by itself here is not enough to define when it appears, since the Rev.12:3-4 beast that Lucifer originally rebelled with in the old world also had "ten horns".

Correct, but the key in Chapter 7 is to recognize the 10 horns (which were the same as the 10 toes WITHIN PAGAN ROME BEFORE THE CROSS), AND, the little horn, who did not exist until AFTER THE CROSS, came out of pagan Rome. And it should be clear that both of these two HAD TO COME OUT OF PAGAN ROME BEFORE ITS DEMISE IN 476 AD.

I would respectfully ask that you stay away from the Book of Revelation. Daniel does interpret Daniel and there is enough complexity within Daniel to worry about. Revelation does not help with interpretinng Daniel. Daniel will indeed help with Revelation but it does not work going backwards.

Verse 9 seals the timing, with its thrones being cast down when The Ancient of Days comes at the end of this world to destroy it. So that is... pointing to that 4th beast timed with the very END of this world. But that doesn't make sense to our style of flesh logic, does it? Was that 4th beast the old Roman empire or not?

I understand how this is interpreted, but please consider the above response.

 

[CTK]

PART 2

Yes, it was, but for those in Christ, we are supposed to look deeper at this, because the feet of ten toes made of iron mixed with clay is about a 5th beast in final, even though it is not literally spelled out as a 5th beast; and all... the previous beast pieces are mentioned falling together when The Stone the builders rejected returns to smite it upon its feet, pointing directly to the end of this world with Christ's future return.

This just happens to be one of the most misinterpreted verses in Daniel. EVERYONE CONTENDS THAT VERSE 2:34 REPRESENTS THE MESSIAH COMING TO DESTROY THE IMAGE AT THE END OF TIME. But it does NOT. Verse 2:34 specifically tells us the Stone (Messiah) will strike the FEET ONLY and break apart the iron and the clay components ONLY, THAT IS FOUND WITHIN THE FEET. The clay represents the Jews held captive within the pagan Roman empire. Verse 2:35 IS the end time event when He will return and destroy all things.

Jesus would strike the feet (symbolically) and break His people from out of pagan Rome. This would result in two separate groups of Jews - those who would accept Jesus as their Messiah would be referred to as "pottery clay," because God could mold them as He chose. They would go on to preach the Good News to the world. Those Jews who would reject Him would be referred to as "ceramic clay" because their hearts were hardened and God could not use them to preach the Gospel. They would continue on as they were before the cross.
(If you study the "Interpretation Sequence" verses found in 2:41-44, you will see how God shows us their being separated after the cross).

But it does fit God's logic because in Daniel 2 He showed us that there will actually be a 5th BEAST kingdom setup for the end of this world that is to have feet made of that 'iron' mixed with clay, and is to have "ten horns" which are "ten kings" that only come to power with that beast king ("little horn" of Dan.8), which also Jesus linked the final beast with in Rev.17.

There are ONLY 4 beasts that God would bring out of the sea or the earth.... The 4th and final kingdom is Rome. However, as I mentioned, pagan Rome (the 4th beast kingdom) would be destroyed (7:11) to be replaced by papal Rome headed by the little horn (papacy). This does NOT mean there will now be 5 kingdoms. God only brought out 4 kingdoms - He did NOT bring out papal Rome or the little horn!!!!

This is one of the reasons why papal Rome / papacy is indeed the little horn who comes out of pagan Rome after the cross. But this little horn appropriated God's growing church after the cross. God's church began after the cross and was started by those Jews who were referred to as "pottery clay." But it took no longer than some 300 years before the sheer number of Gentiles would take over the church, establish their own hierarchical structure of priests and bishops and, afte the demise of pagan Rome, would completely take over the church and the state - now, they "sat atop" the 4th beast kingdom.....

Chapter 8, 9 and 11 are all about these events. And again, they are NOT presented in chronological order....

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[CTK]

It is true. In Daniel, there are only 4 beasts.
The 4th beast did show itself, being the Roman Empire, who was itself an additional head, having10 horns, being OF the 7 heads. All of such EVOLVED together into becoming the Composite Sea Beast, with the 4th beast as the 8th head on that Sea Beast in KJV Rev. 13:1-3, 17:11.

Those seven heads were/are:
1. Babylon- 1 head of gold.
2. Medio-Persia- 1 head of a "Ram".
3. Grecian Empire- 1 head of a "He Goat".
4. Hellenistic kingdoms in the "latter time" of the Grecian Empire- the Four Generals of Alex the Great- 4 heads. KJV Dan. 7:6
All of which totals to 7 heads.

Q. So then, is the 4th beast with 10 horns a 7th head also,...or did it EVOLVE into the 8th head,... being OF the 7?
A. The 4th Beast in Daniel, was the Roman Empire, but in Rev. 17:11 it is the 8th head on the evolved "Composite Sea Beast", having 10 horns in Rev. 13:1-3, 17:11

There are 4 and only 4 kingdoms in Daniel. I would ask that you ignore Revelation since it does NOT interpret Daniel. It has its own structure and symbols to unpack.... Stay with Daniel - it interprets itself!!!!!

The 4 generals that come after Alexander have no "mission" in the Book of Daniel other than to reveal the end of the 3rd kingdom beast.
The 4th kingdom is pagan Rome and this is where almost all of Daniel will be focused on.... The generals have NO importance whatsoever - unless you make them so.

 

[ewq1938]

The 4 generals that come after Alexander have no "mission" in the Book of Daniel other than to reveal the end of the 3rd kingdom beast.

The end of it? Strange because according to Daniel, the first 3 beasts live beyond the death and destruction of the 4th beast. I should think that would eliminate Rome as the 4th beast not to mention the 4th beast was defeated by a coming of God, which hasn't happened yet and was not how Rome fell.

 

[Earburner]

There are 4 and only 4 kingdoms in Daniel. I would ask that you ignore Revelation since it does NOT interpret Daniel. It has its own structure and symbols to unpack.... Stay with Daniel - it interprets itself!!!!!

The 4 generals that come after Alexander have no "mission" in the Book of Daniel other than to reveal the end of the 3rd kingdom beast.
The 4th kingdom is pagan Rome and this is where almost all of Daniel will be focused on.... The generals have NO importance whatsoever - unless you make them so.

There are only 4 beasts in KJV Daniel. We all know WHO they are. However, not many know how to count the 7 heads of the Four beasts in Daniel.
In Daniel, how many heads do you count?
I have counted 7, as shown in my previous post #106.

 

[ewq1938]

There are only 4 beasts in KJV Daniel. We all know WHO they are. However, not many know how to count the 7 heads of the Four beasts in Daniel.
In Daniel, how many heads do you count?
I have counted 7, as shown in my previous post #106.

Let's start with the first beast. How many heads does it have?

 

[CTK]

The end of it? Strange because according to Daniel, the first 3 beasts live beyond the death and destruction of the 4th beast. I should think that would eliminate Rome as the 4th beast not to mention the 4th beast was defeated by a coming of God, which hasn't happened yet and was not how Rome fell.

I have no idea what you mean or how your response applies to my comment. Thanks.

 

[CTK]

There are only 4 beasts in KJV Daniel. We all know WHO they are. However, not many know how to count the 7 heads of the Four beasts in Daniel.
In Daniel, how many heads do you count?
I have counted 7, as shown in my previous post #106.

So? We are discussing Daniel not Revelation. Chapter 7 has us focus on the 4 kingdoms (not heads), while Chapter 8 has us focus on a different element. If you want to interpret Daniel, stay within Daniel.... God has indeed given us all the information WITHIN Daniel to properly interpret it. Remember, this book was written specifically for the Jews returning from their Babylonian exile - they were not given Revelation to consider in order to interpret God's prophecies. Stay within Daniel....

 

[Earburner]

The 4 generals that come after Alexander have no "mission" in the Book of Daniel other than to reveal the end of the 3rd kingdom beast.

Out of one of those "heads" (Dan. 7:6) , namely the Seleucid kingdom, "in the latter time" of the 3rd beast, there arose AMONG the 10 horns, a separate "little horn", Antiochus lV Epiphanes, who committed "the abomination that maketh desolate". Jesus Himself pointed to that historical event found in 1 Mac. chs. 1-6.
Edit:
Rev. 13:1-3 specifically reveals the "leopard" of Daniel. Why do you not see that the Composite Sea Beast in Revelation is a melding of all the previous beasts in Daniel.
All evolved together, becoming that one Composite Sea beast.

Let's start with the first beast. How many heads does it have?

No! My question is for you to locate the 7 heads for yourself, which are all shown in Daniel.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am late to the thread as usual as I did nto see it when it opened. But I will give my view

there are 5 kingdoms. Although the 4th and fifth kingdom is the same kingdom. Only in 2 different time periods.

We have babylon , in chapter 2 and chapter 7, babylon is represented by the head of God and the Lion.

We have media-Persia - Represented by the chest and arms (silver) and the bear

the third is greece, represented by the Belly and thighs of Bronze and the leopard

The 4th is rome, represented by the legs of Iron and the great beast.

the fifth is also rome, represented by the feet of iron and clay and also the bear.

One thing to remember, is neither the ten kings of Dan 2. Nor many of the things we were told the 4th beast would accomplish have been fulfilled to this day.

Even John, in revelations gives us an overview of the kingdoms which has ruled over Israel when he states there are 7 kingd. 5 have come (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medies and persIan’s, Greece,) 1 Is (rome in christ’s day) and 1 is yet to come (future rome)

also the fact Jesus has not yet come is further evidence that there will be a 4th kingdom yet to come to fulfill Daniels prophecies

 

[Earburner]

I am late to the thread as usual as I did nto see it when it opened. But I will give my view

there are 5 kingdoms. Although the 4th and fifth kingdom is the same kingdom. Only in 2 different time periods.

We have babylon , in chapter 2 and chapter 7, babylon is represented by the head of God and the Lion.

We have media-Persia - Represented by the chest and arms (silver) and the bear

the third is greece, represented by the Belly and thighs of Bronze and the leopard

The 4th is rome, represented by the legs of Iron and the great beast.

the fifth is also rome, represented by the feet of iron and clay and also the bear.

One thing to remember, is neither the ten kings of Dan 2. Nor many of the things we were told the 4th beast would accomplish have been fulfilled to this day.

Even John, in revelations gives us an overview of the kingdoms which has ruled over Israel when he states there are 7 kingd. 5 have come (Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Medies and persIan’s, Greece,) 1 Is (rome in christ’s day) and 1 is yet to come (future rome)

also the fact Jesus has not yet come is further evidence that there will be a 4th kingdom yet to come to fulfill Daniels prophecies

From the Composite Sea beast of Rev. 13:1-3, we can go backwards in time, instead of going forward from Daniel., I suggest that all study the following separately:

1. Who the beasts in Daniel are, as described in KJV Rev. 13:1-3.
2. From there in Rev. 13:1-3, then study who the "heads" were/are in Daniel.
3. Who were the 5 fallen kings in Daniel?
4. From which Beast of Daniel, is the 8th head, but had evolved into the Composite Sea beast power of Rev. 13:1-3, 17:11,being itself "of the 7" heads.

Please see my post #106.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

From the Composite Sea beast of Rev. 13:1-3, we can go backwards in time, instead of going forward from Daniel., I suggest that all study the following separately:

1. Who the beasts in Daniel are, as described in Rev. 13:1-3.
2. From there in Rev., then study who the "heads" were/are in Daniel.
3. Who were the 5 fallen kings in Daniel?
4. From which Beast of Daniel, is the 8th head, but had evolved into the Composite Sea beast power of Rev. 3, being itself "of the 7" heads.

I actually did a study myself. And have written a small document on the beasts of daniel. Which takes us from daniel 2 all the way through revelation and shows how they are intertwined together. And in harmony

 

[Earburner]

I actually did a study myself. And have written a small document on the beasts of daniel. Which takes us from daniel 2 all the way through revelation and shows how they are intertwined together. And in harmony

Very good! I agree with 99% of what you wrote. However, I don't agree with the imposition that the RCC/Vatican is the 8th head. I see the 8th head as being secular and not religious in nature.

The mark of the (Composite) Sea beast is clued as being strictly ECONOMIC: Rev. 17
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The Composite Sea beast will become a Global Economic Empire for a period of 42 months.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Very good! I agree with 99% of what you wrote. However, I don't agree with the imposition that the RCC/Vatican is the 8th head. I see the 8th head as being secular and not religious in nature.

The mark of the (Composite) beast is clued as being strictly ECONOMIC: Rev. 17
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
The Composite beast will become a Global Economic Empire for a period of 42 months.

I do not agree the roman church is the 8th head either.

Rome is rome. the pagan church is not rome.