How does one "receive" Jesus and His subsequent power?

[teamventure]

It is scriptural. And the Word of God is our authority.

Indeed, but what's not scriptural is what some charasmatics practice which they call baptism of the holy spirit.

 

[teamventure]

No he wasn't. He was saying God gives us power over temptation, just the opposite of what you thought.

You need to go back and read what he posted.
He implied that God will choose people who can withstand the temptation of operating in the power of the spirit, but the spirit doesn't tempt.
You're wrong again.

 

[CharismaticLady]

Indeed, but what's not scriptural is what some charasmatics practice which they call baptism of the holy spirit.

I only use the term baptism of the Holy Spirit in the way Jesus used it - to receive power. Acts 1:5 and 8. Not carnal power as you've been obsessed with, but the power to not sin, keeping the righteous requirements of the law, and to operate the gifts of the Spirit given to us to strengthen the Church 1 Cor. 12:7-11, and ourselves individually, Mark 16:16-18

Have you ever been baptized with the Spirit of Christ? Did you receive power?

 

[CharismaticLady]

You need to go back and read what he posted.
He implied that God will choose people who can withstand the temptation of operating in the power of the spirit, but the spirit doesn't tempt.
You're wrong again.

I'm wrong, or Gids is wrong? What do I believe?

 

[teamventure]

I only use the term baptism of the Holy Spirit in the way Jesus used it - to receive power. Acts 1:5 and 8. Not carnal power as you've been obsessed with, but the power to not sin, keeping the righteous requirements of the law, and to operate the gifts of the Spirit given to us to strengthen the Church 1 Cor. 12:7-11, and ourselves individually, Mark 16:16-18

Have you ever been baptized with the Spirit of Christ? Did you receive power?

Ok. Let's dig a little deeper.
But first I'll answer your questions: yes I've been baptized with the Spirit of Christ and yes I recieved power.
Now will you answer a question of mine? What is the process of being baptized in the spirit in detail according to the way you practice it?

 

[teamventure]

I'm wrong, or Gids is wrong? What do I believe?

And let's be fair, who would be more obsessed with power? Someone who calls it out for what it is, or someone who makes a whole thread about power. You are purposefully looking the other way. Be honest.

 

[Truther]

whatever. You are making a mountain out of an grain of sand.

The book of Acts is not a grain of sand, but a mountain you went around.

 

[Truther]

Of course the law was present. Only through Jesus does one enter into the New Covenant. Now are you still in the Old Covenant and are struggling, or have you received the power of the Holy Spirit and are now walking in the Spirit? Because if one doesn't have the Spirit inside them, they do not belong to Christ. Romans 8:9.

What I object to with you, is your insistence that Romans 7 applied to Paul as if he didn't have the Spirit. We go from death to life, we do not have two natures at the same time. We need to stay in the Spirit and endure there to the end.

You have no sin?

 

[CharismaticLady]

Ok. Let's dig a little deeper.
But first I'll answer your questions: yes I've been baptized with the Spirit of Christ and yes I recieved power.
Now will you answer a question of mine? What is the process of being baptized in the spirit in detail according to the way you practice it?

I wouldn't say "practice it" applies. What happened to me just happens to confirm what the Word of God says in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39. I was like the publican that came into the temple to pray, knowing that I was a weak sinner that couldn't stop sinning, but didn't even want to stop. I had been raised in the Church and this was after 30 years of attending and always considering myself saved. In fact, I had already been baptized three times!

Now I found myself in a love affair that I never wanted to end. But he was married with children. Being the "other woman" was taking its toll, as I wanted a family too. I got depressed, so he paid for a psychiatrist who was into New Age, and told me basically, "well, if it feels good, do it." Somehow, I immediately recognized the advice was demonic, and it scared me, so I stopped making appointments to see him. Just thinking about the devil made me also think of God. I knew what I was doing was sin, and I loved this sin. But if I ever wanted to want to be free, I was going to have to find a stronger church, and started church hopping around Los Angeles. I finally settled in one that had been recommended and decided to be there whenever the doors were open. So twice Sunday morning, once Sunday evening, and once Wednesday night. After a month I decided to break off the affair. That lasted for three days of hell. We got back together for another month and I tried again. Same thing - hell. This pattern of one month on, three days off went on for a few months. He even offered to start a family on the side with him, and I even considered it, but just couldn't. At this point I just didn't want to go to hell for real and knew that somehow this affair was going to have to end, but I was too weak to break it off again when all I really wanted was to be with him. I was living Romans 7 - knowing what God demands, but the sin in me loves to sin.

Then one Sunday the pastor gave a sermon on integrity of heart. What I remember now about it was to be honest with God (like the publican). So I confessed to God that I loved this sin, and I had tried and tried to break it off for God, but I always failed. So I gave it to Him. I told Him that He was stronger than I was, and that if He wanted this affair broken, He was going to have to make my lover break up with me, and then give him the strength to stay away from me while I tried to get him back, because I knew I would. And what's more, God knew I would. So I just relaxed and didn't even try to end the affair. I was just going to enjoy it. One week later he came over and told me that he finally realized how he was hurting me. He couldn't be there when I needed him. So he broke it off, and that resolve gave him the strength to stay away from me for my own good.

That honest prayer was the first prayer in 30 years that God had ever answered. From then on for two weeks a chain of supernatural events happened and at the end of it I was filled with His Spirit from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet. I doubt you will believe all the things that happened, but what led up to it was the key, and basically answered your question - integrity of heart. The realization that I am a sinner, and nothing I do in my own power will ever make me holy. Only God in me can accomplish that miracle. And He did.

 

[CharismaticLady]

And let's be fair, who would be more obsessed with power? Someone who calls it out for what it is, or someone who makes a whole thread about power. You are purposefully looking the other way. Be honest.

I'll just tell you what I believe about me, not Gids.

I know who I am in Christ. I have the authority to command healing and all the things Jesus did because now He is inside me and I abide in Him. But as far as my needs go, I trust God that He will provide and never get anxious for anything. That lack of fear is a source of power, and witnessing the result strengthens the large amount of faith that I already have. Being able to command healing and the healing takes place is power. The sense to stay away from temptation immediately is power. The resolve to die with no fear, rather than sin is power. (I knew if I stayed with my abusive husband that he would kill me, but I told God that I knew He hated divorce, and even if I wound up dead, I was not going to leave him. He would have to do all the sinning and leave me. He finally left me for the wife of his best friend, and divorced me without scriptural cause. Therefore, I don't date, and since 2001 he is still the last man I kissed. I would rather be alone, than sin. And I've grown more in the years since with God as my husband, than in all the years before since I was filled with the Spirit.)

 

[CharismaticLady]

You have no sin?

Right. I am born of God. 1 John 3:9. All you have to do is never do anything your conscience would bother you about. And my conscience is super-sensitized, so I don't willfully sin. Any failures unwittingly committed are trespasses, Leviticus 5:15, and we must not have any unforgiveness toward any of our brethren, and those trespasses are forgiven. It is the only type of sin in the Lord's prayer. Read it in Matthew 6 and also the next verses 14-15. Remember I am 73 so I've had many years of practice, and know I am in good standing because His word says (below) that if our heart does not condemn us we have assurance toward God, and all our prayers are answered because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And seeing as all my prayers do get answered, and I receive what He tells me to pray, I know He has kept me sinless, and taught me everything I need to know to actually be pleasing in His sight. This is what I teach, and want everyone to have this same actual assurance, and not the myth that goes along with some of the false teachings out there that are nothing more than doctrines of demons spreading false assurances.

1 John 3:21-24.

 

[Truther]

Right. I am born of God. 1 John 3:9. All you have to do is never do anything your conscience would bother you about. And my conscience is super-sensitized, so I don't willfully sin. Any failures unwittingly committed are trespasses, Leviticus 5:15, and we must not have any unforgiveness toward any of our brethren, and those trespasses are forgiven. It is the only type of sin in the Lord's prayer. Read it in Matthew 6 and also the next verses 14-15. Remember I am 73 so I've had many years of practice, and know I am in good standing because His word says (below) that if our heart does not condemn us we have assurance toward God, and all our prayers are answered because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And seeing as all my prayers do get answered, and I receive what He tells me to pray, I know He has kept me sinless, and taught me everything I need to know to actually be pleasing in His sight. This is what I teach, and want everyone to have this same actual assurance, and not the myth that goes along with some of the false teachings out there that are nothing more than doctrines of demons spreading false assurances.

1 John 3:21-24.

This is written to born again saints in the present tense....

[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


This is the carnal man that Paul is speaking of in Romans 7 that opposed his walk with God.

 

[Pearl]

To receive Jesus means to have him living in you by His Holy Spirit. This is how you are able to live the New Life in Christ. If you don't have the Spirit within you then you aren't born again and so you're not a Christian.

 

[farouk]

To receive Jesus means to have him living in you by His Holy Spirit. This is how you are able to live the New Life in Christ. If you don't have the Spirit within you then you aren't born again and so you're not a Christian.

@Pearl This is indeed what Romans 8.9 says: "If any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His."

 

[Truther]

To receive Jesus means to have him living in you by His Holy Spirit. This is how you are able to live the New Life in Christ. If you don't have the Spirit within you then you aren't born again and so you're not a Christian.

Amen, and this Spirit entering mankind is seen in Acts 2.

If someone says it entered in us by some confession and no evidence, they defrauded us.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You see you are still avoiding the very words of Jesus
Jesus said "He who believes and is baptized will be saved" (Mk 16:16)
Belief + baptism = salvation

Jesus didn't say believe and be saved and then get baptised.
Where does scripture say "Water Baptism is a public declaration of the inward reality and commitment that has taken place already"?
Answer - it doesn't

Jesus said: "He who believes and is baptized will be saved"
Baptism is the normal way of salvation that Jesus gave us.

People who don't believe in baptismal regeneration always try and avoid this text just as you have done thrice now..

Matthew 20:23
And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father.

Was Jesus immersed here? Was it water immersion he was referring to?

Acts 1:5
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

HMM???? Jesus is showing the Baptism that we must be baptized with!

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Was Peter being disobedient to teh command of Jesus here?

Matthew 28:19
King James Version

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost


Peter told teh Jews to be baptized only in the name of Jesus! That is not the command Jesus gave.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

That is not immersion but regenersation! Immersion in water follows!

So please explain Matthew 23:20. He was in the upper room and went to teh mount of olives- . I have been there. NO water for immersion.

Why did jesus contrast Johns water Baptism with teh Baptism of the Holy ghost? there were in the upper room when they were BAPTIZED in the Spirit! No immersion there!

YOu just think every single time the word baptism appears it must mean water immersion. but it doesn't.

Acts 8:16
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)

Acts 11:16
Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

1 Corinthians 10:2
And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

I am not negating the importance of Baptism, just reminding you that water baptism doesn't save a soul. Otherwise teh penitnet thief didn'ty get saved.

Ephesians 2:8-9
King James Version

8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The book of Acts is not a grain of sand, but a mountain you went around.

Well I did not "go around it". YOu making a big deal because I didn't quote is the mountain you are making. but if you feel I missed some pertinent items ni Acts- please feel free to post them.

 

[CharismaticLady]

This is written to born again saints in the present tense....

[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. [9] If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.


This is the carnal man that Paul is speaking of in Romans 7 that opposed his walk with God.

No, Paul and John are doing the same thing. They are contrasting the Law vs. Jesus.

The Law could not make anyone holy because of sin. Romans 7:13-23, and 1 John 1:8
The Spirit can make us dead to sin. Romans 6:1-7 and 1 John 1:9

How do you explain John's contradiction in the same book? 1 John 3:9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

We are either still sinners with a carnal nature and of the devil, or we are cleansed of our sins and are now children of God, walking in a divine nature.

 

[CharismaticLady]

To receive Jesus means to have him living in you by His Holy Spirit. This is how you are able to live the New Life in Christ. If you don't have the Spirit within you then you aren't born again and so you're not a Christian.

And you don't commit willful sins either, anymore than Jesus inside you would. Right?

 

[Pearl]

And you don't commit willful sins either, anymore than Jesus inside you would. Right?

Right. Absolutely right.