How does a "Heresy" operate?

[David in NJ]

Well as the rapture is an event barely mentioned, one woul dnot expect many verses as to when.

But there is one verse that speaks of when!

But as to when the rapture happens at whatever time, is far from the #1 heresy in Christendom. The #1 heresy is adding works to faith in order to be saved!

The #1 heresy is adding works to faith in order to be saved!

That is a old but constant heresy that was ramped up with the RCC and, as you stated( i AGREE), is still a present danger.

***MOST IMPORTANT***
the Rapture is 100% TRUTH = 1 Thess 4:13-18

the TIMING is 100% TRUTH and is CLEARLY given to us in the Gospel and in the Apostles Letters
Not a single christian should be confused on this.

Jesus never spoke on the timing of teh rapture so point one is irrelevant to this topic.

this would be considered a heresy in itself

Please make note that i am not calling you a heretic.
Uncertain on the God given Timing of the Rapture = YES

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Reader....

Regarding a Theological HERESY... as related to the BIBLE and Christianity..... we find...

1.) Heresy does not usually remove the verses, it usually adds to them a man made teaching, which creates the heresy.

Most of the time.......Heresies are created by twisting only a few bible verses..

How does this deceive the deceived??

They BELIEVE the twist, that has been placed on the verse, and that becomes how they SEE IT, and that just evolves... because the heretic who wrote it, will have an entire Theology of it, and the deceive one... will become captured by it all, eventually.

Now why do they believe it, when they didnt believe it 5 mins earlier?

1.) They read it, or someone is teaching them and they were not already of sufficient understanding of Paul'sTheology, that would have told them instantly......"that is a pack of lies".. "all that is false".

2.) Heresies are of the Devil, and they have supernatural power to deceive.... which means they have the power of deception.
They are empowered by the "father of Lies", and his power is the power to "spellbind" you, which the NT refers to as "mind blinded".
That means your mind is blinded so that you now believe what isn't true.
A "doctrine of Devils" is a man made Theology, that is empowered by demonic power. It has the power to cast a spell on your mind, so that its LIES, becomes your Truth.
This is : Deception.

So, lets take Calvinism and the 5-points... and I'l show you how a certain aspect of this demonic teaching, changes how the verses in the bible are perceived by you, once this false theology, owns your mind.

2.) For example, if i was a Hyper-Calvinist....then everytime i read the NT< and i saw these words....and phrases.

"Whosover"
"The World"
"All that Call"
"As many as"
"ALL That will"
"ALL"
"Each"
"for as many"

Then if i was a deceived Calvinist or "5 pointer", then my mind would twist the verses, into:

"only the elect"..
"only the pre-chosen"..
"only the Predestined"...

.= Every time i read......."whosoever"... "as many as"... "ALL that will"... "The World".... "each", "for as many".. "ALL".

This mental situation that has been caused by a "doctrine of devils".., is what the bible refers to as the "Bewitching power" of a doctrine of Devils, that is always created by a MAN...

Paul teaches this as "WHO.. has Bewitched you, so that you no longer obey the Truth"..

And all false religions, and heresies related to Christian Theology, are MAN MADE... .always.

Dear Behold: Do you believe that God is three Persons, though one God; that Jesus is fully-God and fully-man; that we are guilty until God's grace accepts us because of Jesus' death; and that we are empowered to live grateful lives by his resurrection? Do you believe that God inspired the writing of the Bible as our only source of his special revelation and teachings to us? We Calvinists believe all these truths, just as you do. Why, then, are you so adamant in your criticism of us, when we agree on so much and when we disagree on how to interpret the Bible? Heretics we are not. I ask again how we have hurt you.

 

[David in NJ]

Well as the rapture is an event barely mentioned, one woul dnot expect many verses as to when.

But there is one verse that speaks of when!

But as to when the rapture happens at whatever time, is far from the #1 heresy in Christendom. The #1 heresy is adding works to faith in order to be saved!

Post #21 has been updated for you Brother in Christ

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Try to think of it like this...

In the Time of the Gentiles.......Which began when the Cross of Christ birthed New Testament Christians.... what happened was that God's Judgment against SIN, had been poured out on His Son, The Lord.
So, that is the end of that...
And the Born again are now in THAT GRACE.... and this marked the beginning of "the time of the Gentiles'.

Now, the Trib, is the beginning of a 7 year situation, that is not dealing with, and it not about the Body of Christ, as the BOC is begun and completed "in the time of The Gentiles"..
So, God is now finished with this, "TIME">... and so, He Begins what happens after The Body of Christ is Completed... which marks the END "of the time of The Gentiles"... so now a new TIME has begun. The TRIB.
So, if the Body of Christ is in the TRIB< then that is the "Time of the Gentiles" found the TRIB, and GRT Trib...(TIME).... and that is not going to happen.

Right on the timing, but wrong on the reasoning

The time of the Gentiles began when Babylon captured Israel and ransacked Jerusalem. It has been in operation since. There has only been two short periods since the time of Nebuchadnezzar when Jerusalem was not trodden down by the Gentiles, The Maccabean revolt and currently since 1967 (though part of Jerusalem is still trodden down, especially temple mount).

This time of the Gentiles ends with the last iteration of the fourth beast spoken of by Daniel is conquered by the return of Jesus. He is known as Antichrist, the eighth who is of the seven, the eleventh horn, beast from the sea.

The rapture has no precursor event. It is its own event with no preconditions. But it does happen some time before teh tribulation begins when Israel signs the 7 year covenant with the antichrist which starts the 70th week of Daniel aka the tribulation.

 

[David in NJ]

Right on the timing, but wrong on the reasoning

The time of the Gentiles began when Babylon captured Israel and ransacked Jerusalem. It has been in operation since. There has only been two short periods since the time of Nebuchadnezzar when Jerusalem was not trodden down by the Gentiles, The Maccabean revolt and currently since 1967 (though part of Jerusalem is still trodden down, especially temple mount).

This time of the Gentiles ends with the last iteration of the fourth beast spoken of by Daniel is conquered by the return of Jesus. He is known as Antichrist, the eighth who is of the seven, the eleventh horn, beast from the sea.

The rapture has no precursor event. It is its own event with no preconditions. But it does happen some time before teh tribulation begins when Israel signs the 7 year covenant with the antichrist which starts the 70th week of Daniel aka the tribulation.

The rapture has no precursor event. It is its own event with no preconditions. But it does happen some time before teh tribulation begins when Israel signs the 7 year covenant with the antichrist which starts the 70th week of Daniel aka the tribulation.

There you go!!!

You and @Behold just established a heresy for yourselves and for those who, not knowing the scriptures, will follow and be deceived thereby.

Congratulations on being self deceived by ignoring/rejecting "It is written".

 

[Ronald Nolette]

There you go!!!

You and @Behold just established a heresy for yourselves and for those who, not knowing the scriptures, will follow and be deceived thereby.

Congratulations on being self deceived by ignoring/rejecting "It is written".

Well please show me one verse where it is written that the rapture is not pre trib but some other time. I have one verse in the whole bible that gives the timing of the rapture

 

[David in NJ]

Well please show me one verse where it is written that the rapture is not pre trib but some other time. I have one verse in the whole bible that gives the timing of the rapture

Do you fully believe this declaration made by Jesus? - "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life" - John 14:6

 

[amigo de christo]

The #1 Heresy/Idol in christianity is pre-trib rapture.

Not a single verse in the entire Bible that speaks of a 'pre-trib' rapture.

The number one heresy is that which cometh of anti christ .
What was john battling within the church .
men had began to do what and to listen to what . The lie of anti christ had began and men were at work
teaching the lie of anti christ . IT DENIES JESUS IS THE CHRIST , IT denies one must believe The TESTIMONY
that GOD ALL MIGHTY HIMSELF , yeah i say HIMSELF , testified of .......
THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . That lie is huge among even christendom right now
and it grows larger by the day and by the hour . IT has come in the name of interfaith and finding common ground
and it is leading all quickly to the lie . And all who were not truly of us
are gonna follow its false love path . Much of christendom is beginning to prove they are not of us
as they are fast to come out and no longer even believe the one true gosple that one must BELIEVE in JESUS the CHRIST .
As far as pre trib there is grave and deadly danger within it as well .
Due to some of the things it do teach .
I am watching pre , mid , post and all tribs or no trib coming under the spell of that which has come of interfaith , or anti christ .
ANd it dont seem to matter what trib they believed .
And what do they all have in common . Well it aint their doctrine , ITS they are heeding a voice
that uses the truth and says GOD is love , GOD did create all , GOD does desire the death of none ,
but IT OMITS the TRUTH that one must BELIEVE in CHRIST to be saved and rather uses those truths
to imply A LIE that JUST because GOD is LOVE and just because HE did create us all , and just because HE does not
desire the death of any , TO IMPLY that just cause one dont BELIEVE JESUS is the CHRIST , well THEY are fine they wont perish .
That ol snake is a deciever .

 

[amigo de christo]

Well please show me one verse where it is written that the rapture is not pre trib but some other time. I have one verse in the whole bible that gives the timing of the rapture

Please show me one scrip where JESUS went about and told those who did not beleive on HIM ,
OH ITS OKAY GOD IS LOVE , it dont matter if you believe I AMCHRIST , just find common ground
with false religoins and hey MY TRUTH is no better than the muslims or any other religoins .
FINDME ONE VERSE where JESUS DENIED HIMSELF and did not rather warn
OF the deadly and dire wrath that would come upon those who failed to beleive on HIM .
A fast hint , YA AINT GONNA FIND IT .
show me where john wrote oh its okay if they believe not the testimony that GOD gave of HIS SON
hey they are serving the same God we do in different ways . You wont find it .
YOU will find , IF ONE BELIEVES NOT the testimony that GOD gave OF THE SON , THEY ARE CALLING GOD a big ol fat LIAR .
now where do all liars end up . IN PARADISE , OR IN THE LAKE OF FIRE .
what about unbelievers , as they TOO shall have their part in the LAKE of fire .
I must be very honest , WHO DO you think is the liar . IS IT the man who calleth GOD A LIAR , OR IS IT GOD who is the liar .
EXACTLY . IT AINT GOD . interfaith is of satan and on that i have no DOUBT .
TIME we actually remind them poor lost religoins , and sadly most of even christendom
THAT OH YEAH YE MUST BELIEVE HE IS CHRIST , that GOD DID rise HIM from the dead
that there is no other name whereby one may be saved . ITS TIME TO BELIEVE ON HIM .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Please show me one scrip where JESUS went about and told those who did not beleive on HIM ,
OH ITS OKAY GOD IS LOVE , it dont matter if you believe I AMCHRIST , just find common ground
with false religoins and hey MY TRUTH is no better than the muslims or any other religoins .
FINDME ONE VERSE where JESUS DENIED HIMSELF and did not rather warn
OF the deadly and dire wrath that would come upon those who failed to beleive on HIM .
A fast hint , YA AINT GONNA FIND IT .
show me where john wrote oh its okay if they believe not the testimony that GOD gave of HIS SON
hey they are serving the same God we do in different ways . You wont find it .
YOU will find , IF ONE BELIEVES NOT the testimony that GOD gave OF THE SON , THEY ARE CALLING GOD a big ol fat LIAR .
now where do all liars end up . IN PARADISE , OR IN THE LAKE OF FIRE .
what about unbelievers , as they TOO shall have their part in the LAKE of fire .
I must be very honest , WHO DO you think is the liar . IS IT the man who calleth GOD A LIAR , OR IS IT GOD who is the liar .
EXACTLY . IT AINT GOD . interfaith is of satan and on that i have no DOUBT .
TIME we actually remind them poor lost religoins , and sadly most of even christendom
THAT OH YEAH YE MUST BELIEVE HE IS CHRIST , that GOD DID rise HIM from the dead
that there is no other name whereby one may be saved . ITS TIME TO BELIEVE ON HIM .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Do you fully believe this declaration made by Jesus? - "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life" - John 14:6

 

[PGS11]

You have the core faith and private revelation - private revelation should stand on its own never contaminating the core faith.The core faith is set in stone never to be changed if it does its heresy.

 

[David in NJ]

You have the core faith and private revelation - private revelation should stand on its own never contaminating the core faith.The core faith is set in stone never to be changed if it does its heresy.

private revelation should stand on its own

Could you elaborate on this.............

 

[PGS11]

Anything that is not part of the core faith it should not be combined because it is private revelation.Take along look at the LDS what did they do they allowed prophecy and revelation to mix with the core faith and look at it now wow have they changed things.They also have rogue Prophets everywhere with their own versions of Mormonism.Do we want to end up like them?Its our Job as Christians to hold and protect the faith until the end not change it.

 

[David in NJ]

Anything that is not part of the core faith it should not be combined because it is private revelation.Take along look at the LDS what did they do they allowed prophecy and revelation to mix with the core faith and look at it now wow have they changed things.They also have rogue Prophets everywhere with their own versions of Mormonism.Do we want to end up like them?

Very good explanation - thank you

Private interpretation that does not stand on the ROCK of Scripture is nullified and exposed as falsehood.

Therefore we always defer to the Holy Spirit and the TRUTH = "Thy word is truth"
For there are no private interpretations of Scripture.

Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, - 1 Peter 1:20

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Do you fully believe this declaration made by Jesus? - "I am the Way, the Truth and the Life" - John 14:6

100%

 

[amigo de christo]

Very good explanation - thank you

Private interpretation that does not stand on the ROCK of Scripture is nullified and exposed as falsehood.

Therefore we always defer to the Holy Spirit and the TRUTH = "Thy word is truth"
For there are no private interpretations of Scripture.

Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, - 1 Peter 1:20

What many have either long forgotten or never knew is , Even but a little leaven WILL LEAVEN up the lump .
Just a wee bit of error and what will error do , BEGET MORE ERROR .
It sure seems to me what GOD said mattered to GOD and to those who truly loved him .
IT sure seems to me that this last generation is more focused on doing everything to try and get along
and dont really care if man is adding too or taking from HIS WORD , So long as we all just get along .
IT seems to me this generation has fallen for a man pleasing love which sure seems far more concerned
with pleasing man and man i sure must say What pleases man IS NOT PLEASING TO GOD .
IF i were to please man , You can bet all the dollars you own that i would NOT PLEASE GOD .
See we ought to focus on what us pleasing to GOD . HAD WE DONE that , IT WOULD HAVE BEEN what was best for man .
cause false love sure aint pleasing TO GOD and it sure as heck AINT SAVING MAN either .
TIME we get a face full of bible time for ourselves . Cause it sure is easy to see
a nasty delusion is at work and it sure seems the over whemling majority of Christendom sure seems to see it as love and
as being loving . That ol snake aint went to sleep . HIMS BEEN REAL BUSY .
and what most folks seem to surely forgotten OR NEVER KNEW IS
Deceivers dont come in wolf clothes , THEY COMES WITH WOOL . and me thinks MOST no longer even know this .
THEY COMES WITH WOOL . that means THEY COME FROM WITHIN .

 

[amigo de christo]

100%

Do you beleive all things JESUS said . cause the same JESUS
sure did make it well known what would occur to those who believed not .
JESUS . THE REAL ONE . THE MESSIAH OF GOD and all them apostels
would have known full well that interfaith is of anti christ , IT IS OF THE DEVIL . but what do you say
about this finding common ground interfaith .

 

[amigo de christo]

Very good explanation - thank you

Private interpretation that does not stand on the ROCK of Scripture is nullified and exposed as falsehood.

Therefore we always defer to the Holy Spirit and the TRUTH = "Thy word is truth"
For there are no private interpretations of Scripture.

Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, - 1 Peter 1:20

El diablo knows how to use scrip and twist it to cause one thing . cause one to believe A LIE .
Guess what interfaith is , A LIE OF ANTI CHRIST .
Now i want you to see what these leaders of interfaith now say and have been saying .
That the christains truth is no better than the truth of other religoins .
YOU DO realize what that means .......right .
But allow me to show us something .
Go back to the days of JESUS the CHRIST and as you read the bible and you see His words
tell me , When jews failed to beleive on HIM
DID HE say , OH that is okay , MY TRUTH IS NO BETTER THAN YOUR TRUTH or ANY OTHER RELIGOINS TRUTH .
AND when we ALL KNOW HE NEVER SAID THAT . cause HE CANNOT LIE and No lie is of the truth .
THEN KNOW and understand that which is of anti christ has filled this world and much of christendom
and has removed the DIRE NEED TO BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST .
and we gotta know THAT AINT COMING OF GOD OR CHRIST .
I mean THE FATHER TESTIFIES and TESTIFIES of the SON . not MY TRUTH is no better than other religoins truth .
GOD DONT LIE , remember . BUT THE DEVIL SURE DO .
Now visualize this too .
Go back to the letter of john wherein he warned the church what was of anti christ
and what he had written to them
NOW forward to today . The interfaith false lovers
make the claim that these other religons do love GOD , do serve him .
BUT remember NO LIE is of the truth .
THEY have made void what even JOHN said . HE who BELIEVES NOT the testimony that GOD gave of HIS SON
is calling GOD a liar . FOR THEY SAY , OH NOT TRUE , ITS YOU JOHN WHO IS THE LIAR
and ITS THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE who is the liar . THEM religions do serve the same GOD we do .
BUT WHO YOU THINK i am gonna beleive . THEM , OR GOD .
LET GOD BE TRUE and every man a liar . THAT IS WHO I AM GONNA BELIEVE . AND HIS WORDS ARE TRUTH . as HE IS TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

Very good explanation - thank you

Private interpretation that does not stand on the ROCK of Scripture is nullified and exposed as falsehood.

Therefore we always defer to the Holy Spirit and the TRUTH = "Thy word is truth"
For there are no private interpretations of Scripture.

Above all, you must realize that no prophecy in Scripture ever came from the prophet’s own understanding, - 1 Peter 1:20

folks like us get RUN OFF friend . and its gonna get worse .
MUCH worse . The great tribulation hour cometh and all who followed a lie
of the voice of darkness will believe they do the will of GOD when , FOLKS LIKE US are eradicated .
THEY are never going to see the TRUTH of it . THEY will never know they are co helpers
to the persecution of THE TRUE CHURCH .
BUT ON THE DAY OF THE LORD , they will know . As they understand they were the goats and the ones they persecuted
were the true sheep . ITS COMING DAVID . ITS COMING .