How Do You Observe Your Sabbath

[Strangelove]

YES!


Exod.16
[23] And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.

What on Earth are you talking about? This was the time of Moses. when he was given the law>>>>>>>>?

And why do you keep talking about moralistic sin. Of course people knew what sin was before the law was given. Were talking about not having to follow the written laws that were given to the Isrealites, like the ten commandments. Sinning is not the issue here. Sins are covered by Jesus' two commandments. Stick to the topic please.

If I follow Jesus' two commandments and choose not to follow any OT written law then I'm given a chance of salvation, sabbath or no sabbath.

 

[fivesense]

Maybe quotes from another book would be better for you? Let's read what Paul had to say to some Gentiles.....
Rom.3
[19] Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped,
So if Jesus did away with the law, how is it that Paul still tries to KEEP the law by not coveting?
Not only that, do you think the Romans reading this letter know now that they TOO are not to covet based upon the LAW of God? Of course they know! Let's continue.....
Before Paul knew God's laws his old man was alive. He was doing what he wanted because he had no idea there were laws saying he cound not.
But when he learned that there was a law against those things his old man died.
These new laws which bring life eternal, Paul found to be death to that old sinful man.
Now let's read what Paul tells these Romans about God's laws....
[Paul tells them God's law is HOLY JUST AND GOOD! Now let's confirm this....
Was that that was ordained to life (The Law) is what caused death to the old me? GOD FORBID! It was SIN that cause the old me to die and it was coming into the knowledge of God's law that did it. For sin, after understanding the commandment, became even more sinful. Let's continue...
So is this a better letter, or do you think this letter is counterfiet also?

There is no authorship assigned to the letter to the Hebrews. The Holy Spirit has it that way for a reason. It should be accomodated as such. Your attempt to discredit my witness by slander, saying I propose it to be counterfeited, tells much about your integrity as an individual. Nevertheless, I will continue in my attempt to assist you in understanding. I provide the following declarations of God for your perusal, and should you decide to believe God, you may come to understand my position from knowledge of the word of God.

Ro 9:4-5 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises; Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

The glory, the adoption, the covenants, the giving of the law, the service of God and the promises, to whom do these things belong? Paul, who you insist on quoting to support your position, does not equivocate here. They all belong to the Israelites. No one other than the Jew can lay claim to them, such as you may insist. Paul says that is Israel's prerogative alone.

Why did Christ Jesus come in flesh? What was His purpose for coming into the world? We all know what orthodoxy emphasizes, but what do the Scriptures reveal?
Ro 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises [made] unto the fathers:
Whose minister was He? Everybody in the whole wide world? Not according to God! His ministry was to the Circumcision, not the uncircumcision.
Even though God's attempt to fulfill all and bring forth the blessing of the Covenant failed, Jesus' commission on earth was solely to the Jews.

How about this one, concerning Jesus' brethren:
Mt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Holy Spirit did not say,"save the world from their sins", no, it says, "His people," who are, according to God, the Israelites, the Jews, the Chosen People.

Jer 50:6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away [on] the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their resting place.
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
The mention of "lost sheep" pertains to Israel, not the nations. This is the evidence given to us.

Mt 15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
I am not certain, but I think this is quite clear to all. Jesus received a commission from His Father, and it did not include us, the nations. It was to save His people, the children of the covenant fathers.

Mt 10:5-6 . These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
The sending forth of the disciples with power to proclaim the Kingdom had parameters, according to God. They were forbidden to go unto the nations. The message of Jesus Christ was confined to Israel, until the keys of the Kingdom were turned over to Peter (Matt 16:19), and the commission was transferred to the Twelve (Matt 28:19).

Ro 9:4 Who are Israelites; to whom [pertaineth] the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service [of God], and the promises; Ro 9:5 Whose [are] the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ [came], who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen

Read the address on the envelope to find out to whom the letter is of Hebrews was sent:
1:1 . God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

You nor I can claim that God spoke to our fathers by the prophets.
Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Prior to Israel's defection and stubbornness which led to Jesus' murder on the Cross, there was nothing in this whole thing for us, we were without God in the world and without hope.

Ro 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
There should be no difficulty apprehending this statement. It plainly declares what many saints refuse to acknowledge from pride and self centered opinions; the law has never applied to the nations, and the evidence is considerable against such a notion. God says the law was never ours to keep, it was given to another race, another people, peculiar, and a treasure above all others in the earth, and that was and is Israel.

Ro 3:1-2 . What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit [is there] of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them (Israel) were committed the oracles of God.
It does not say what advantaged "did they have" or "what profit was there of circumcision", for God is not done with His demonstration to the universe and Israel's part in that, and the fulfillment of all will come to pass according to the declaration out of God. And that continuation in faithfulness to an adulterous nation is based strongly upon the Oracles of God, the Jews being the sole possessors of those Oracles,

Ac 7:38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
Who is the" us" Stephen is talking about? It cannot possibly include any gentile nation. Yet that is commonplace today in the Body among the saints, whenever the failure to correctly divide the word of truth is prevalent. Believers inject themselves into any and all portions of the Bible they feel is best for their personal need at the time, unaware of the dishonor they bring to God and His Word.

All this confusion is the fruit of failing to understand the difference in what Paul preached and the evangel of the Kingdom on earth. May God be gracious to us to grant light to see His ways as they truly are, according to His word, and just believe Him

fivesense

 

[RND]

Yes it has.

Under the mosiac law people were condemned to death for their sins. But God no longer holds our sins against us so as to require the death penalty. He forgives us on the basis of Jesus ransom sacrifice. So YES, the purpose of the mosaic law to highlight sin and death has come to its end.

All are guilty of sin and as a result all will physically die. This is obvious. This is not the second death and our acceptance of Christ keeps us from the second death, not the first.

God's law (not the Mosaic) condemns sinners to death but through Christ they have eternal life.

“Each of us will render an account for himself to God.” ROMANS 14:12.

We all have a choice and we all make our own choice. Those who choose not to accept Christ have made a choice just as we have and their fate rests in Gods hands.

So there is a day of reckoning for all sinners right? And thus everyone will be judged as lawbreakers of what law?

yes they are. They are the ten basic principles which govern all other laws of the Law covenant.

The Ten Commandments were written with the finger of God and not man. There were placed inside the Ark and not on the side of the Ark so it is obvious that they are not the same.

Yes we should, but in order to do that we need to know the instructions he gave to the Apostles. Part of those instructions are to have faith in the sacrifice of Jesus and trust that his sacrifice will cover our sins. If we dont believe that his sacrifice is greater then the mosaic law, then we have missed the whole point of that law and the whole point of why Jesus laid down his life.

So as long as we believe in Jesus we are free to sin? What would you say to a 62 yo man that wanted to date your 17 you daughter? Would you approve of that? Would it be the law written on your heart would object?

From the time it was installed, the mosaic law was the only way anyone could obtain a righteous standing and forgiveness of sins....but not all sins were forgiven under that law, the death penalty was required for some sins.

I was under the impression that the law never saved anyone from sin.

r 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, [and] not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.

However, Jesus sacrifice made it possible to have even the worst sins forgivable by God and so no death penalty was required under Christ. The freedom Paul spoke about was freedom from the punishment of death under the mosaic law...in Christ all will be made alive but under law all will be held accountable.

No "second" death. Christ's death doesn't prevent the "first" death.

you need to clarify what you mean when you say 'Torah'. Im assuming you mean the 'mosaic law' and not simply the laws that God instructed Abraham with.

The word "torah" means law.

The Hebrew word 'Torah' means 'to instruct, to teaching, to show' .... God isntructed Abraham to move from the city Ur and go to the land of cannan. Abraham obeyed. God gave instructions to Abraham about circumcision and again Abraham obeyed. He was asked to offer his son as a sacrifice and again he obeyed. So at that time, the 'torah' was Gods verbal directions to Abraham to which Abraham obeyed. Yes, we can say that Abraham obeyed Gods commandments, but they were not the mosaic laws that Abraham was obeying.

This argument you made falls in line with understanding that the Ten Commandments weren't the Mosaic law but God's commandments, His law, His decrees.

Exd 20:1 ¶ And God spake all these words, saying....

God spoke His law first and God wrote His law and His covenant was based on His law, not Moses transcription.

 

[Eccl.12:13]

If I follow Jesus' two commandments and choose not to follow any OT written law then I'm given a chance of salvation, sabbath or no sabbath.

Let's read what Jesus said was needed for eternal life.....

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now why didn't Jesus just say (2) commandmants? Would have been a lot easier!

But according to your judge you need more than two for eternal life. Sounds just like the ten to me.

Let me ask you, are we not to keep this law also?

"...thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."



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[fivesense]

Let's read what Jesus said was needed for eternal life.....

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now why didn't Jesus just say (2) commandmants? Would have been a lot easier!

But according to your judge you need more than two for eternal life. Sounds just like the ten to me.

Let me ask you, are we not to keep this law also?

"...thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

Eternal is not in Scriptural, it is aionion, or best rendered eonion, during the eon to come. There are five of them in the Scriptures. You refer to the eonion life promised to the Jew, it is not for the nations who have placed their faith in the work of the Cross, which had not taken place yet. The Cross changed everything.
Those who are of the elect body of Christ will never see this promise. They are justified and new creations being builded for a celestial habitation in heaven with the Christ. Matthew 19 is spoken to Jews, from a Jew, about the Jews, and for the Jews.
fivesense

 

[Strangelove]

Let's read what Jesus said was needed for eternal life.....

Matt.19
[16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
[17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
[18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
[19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Now why didn't Jesus just say (2) commandmants? Would have been a lot easier!

But according to your judge you need more than two for eternal life. Sounds just like the ten to me.

Let me ask you, are we not to keep this law also?

"...thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

I repeat. If I follow Jesus' 2 commandments I cover all those laws that Jesus decides to go into more detail about for his questioner.

I notice keeping the sabbath is absent>>>>>?

 

[Eccl.12:13]

Eternal is not in Scriptural, it is aionion, or best rendered eonion, during the eon to come. There are five of them in the Scriptures. You refer to the eonion life promised to the Jew, it is not for the nations who have placed their faith in the work of the Cross, which had not taken place yet. The Cross changed everything.
Those who are of the elect body of Christ will never see this promise. They are justified and new creations being builded for a celestial habitation in heaven with the Christ. Matthew 19 is spoken to Jews, from a Jew, about the Jews, and for the Jews.
fivesense

So you are saying God has "different" promises for "different" people?

What happened to.....

Rom.2
[11] For there is no respect of persons with God.

So just because I am born a Non-Jew I am given a "differnt" promise?

That does no go hand in hand with scripture. Let's read God's word.....

Rev.20
[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
[13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

I see no mention of Jew nor Gentile. Only those whose name in written in God's book.


But you are saying there are "defferent" sets of promises all based on your birth!

And just where do I find these "diferent" promises, one for the Jew and the other for Gentiles in God's word? Book, chapter and verse if you will!







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[Eccl.12:13]

I repeat. If I follow Jesus' 2 commandments I cover all those laws that Jesus decides to go into more detail about for his questioner.

I notice keeping the sabbath is absent>>>>>?

Nor is there any mention of worshiping false idols and coveting, but we know we are still not to do them. Even Paul tries his best not to covet. Let's read it....

Rom.7
[7] What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Now where do you think Paul got this law from? That's right.........the OT! Now do you really think Paul picked this one out and the others He ignored?

Do you really think because Jesus combined ALL of HIs laws into (2) we no longer must keep the rest?


Again I ask you....are we not to keep this law also?

"...thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."


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[Strangelove]

Nor is there any mention of worshiping false idols and coveting, but we know we are still not to do them.

Yes because worshipping false idols is covered in Jesus' first law. Love God. Loving God means not worshipping anything other than God. Thats why Christ loving Christians dont worship idols. Ditto for coveting and the second commandment of Jesus.

Do you really think because Jesus combined ALL of HIs laws into (2) we no longer must keep the rest?

The rest are covered by the 2 as has been said so many times before. What we dont need to worry about is the WRITTEN MOSAIC OT LAW......and the WRITTEN consequences of breaking that law.

Again I ask you....are we not to keep this law also?

"...thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

Again covered by Jesus' second commandment.

Let me ask you please. You say we need to go back to observing OT law is that correct?

So if we obey the ten commandments including the sabbath would that make you happy? Or is there anything else you want to add? Is there any other Judaistic laws that you want us to adopt?

Whats next??>>>

 

[Eccl.12:13]

Let me ask you please. You say we need to go back to observing OT law is that correct?

So if we obey the ten commandments including the sabbath would that make you happy? Or is there anything else you want to add? Is there any other Judaistic laws that you want us to adopt?

Whats next??>>>

It is not me asking nor wanting anything. It is your savior and judge that demands you keep ALL of His laws and commandments.

If you do not understand that the same one that gave the law in the OT is the same one that came and died for the sins of the world and now sits on the right hand of the Father, then you do not understand what is said in Heb.13:8,
"Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." And in Mal.3:6, "For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed."

There was only ONE set of laws that were nailed to His cross. ALL of the rest remain and MUST be obeyed for salvation.

You read the writings of Paul and THINK you know what he is speaking about. But let us not forget about the warning given to us by Peter about ALL of Pauls writings.....

2 Peter 3
[15] And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
[16] As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.


You think Paul is talking about ALL of the laws of God in his letters, but Paul speaks of TWO sets of laws.

One set of laws were in fact nailed to the cross with Christ. Those are the set of laws that required "works" and "deeds". The other set of laws (all the rest) must still be kept.

Also, you did not address the following question;

"One more thing.....God's laws were not given to the nation of Israel only......let's read....."

Exod.12
[38] And a mixed multitude went up also with them; and flocks, and herds, even very much cattle.

So there were "other" nations that also followed the laws of God. Let's read some more....

[28] And the rest of the people, the priests, the Levites, the porters, the singers, the Nethinims, and all they that had separated themselves from the people of the lands unto the law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, every one having knowledge, and having understanding;
[29] They clave to their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse, and into an oath, to walk in God's law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the LORD our Lord, and his judgments and his statutes;

So God's laws again was NOT only for Israel, but for ALL that had knowledge and understanding.

If God's laws were not only for Israel now, why is it you think that has now changed?

God's laws were and are for all those that have wisdom and understanding.



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[Strangelove]

It is not me asking nor wanting anything. It is your savior and judge that demands you keep ALL of His laws and commandments.

Ok then I'll rephrase::>

Is there anything other than the 10 commandments that, in your opinion our saviour (you say "your" so maybe he's not yours at all) demands that we keep?

Is there anything else? Or is it just the sabbath that were missing out on?

 

[jiggyfly]

Did you know that ALL of God's laws were around BEFORE an Israelite was ever born?

It was a sin for Cain to murder and he knew it! How? His God told him so! Now just as God told him that do you not think Cain knew ALL of the rest of God's laws?

Of course he did!!!

Just because the first time we find God's laws written down in Ex. does not mean man did not know they exsisted and should be followed. Let's read.....

Was the law enforced? Was Cain put to death for murdering his brother Able?

 

[Paul]

Was the law enforced? Was Cain put to death for murdering his brother Able?

Yes, the law was enforced. Did Cain live past one day? No, no one has lived past one day.

 

[Eccl.12:13]

Was the law enforced? Was Cain put to death for murdering his brother Able?

Not obeying God's laws does not always mean death.

The nation of Israel was put into slavery many times because they did not obey. They were also cursed and NOT blessed.

In the case of Cain, God did not kill him but he was driven from the land were he lived. As far as a punishment......I guess we will have to wait until judgement.

Did not God punish Sodem and Gomorrah for their sins? Please take note, not one Israelite was yet around.

Looks like God did not want ANY nations breaking His laws. This and many other such cases can be found throughout the OT. God punished nations for disobeying His laws...not just Israel!


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[Strangelove]

Yes, the law was enforced. Did Cain live past one day? No, no one has lived past one day.

Lolz>>>>

Is that a one day is a thousand years reference??>>>Lol...

Nice.

Not obeying God's laws does not always mean death.

The nation of Israel was put into slavery many times because they did not obey. They were also cursed and NOT blessed.

In the case of Cain, God did not kill him but he was driven from the land were he lived. As far as a punishment......I guess we will have to wait until judgement.

Did not God punish Sodem and Gomorrah for their sins? Please take note, not one Israelite was yet around.

Looks like God did not want ANY nations breaking His laws. This and many other such cases can be found throughout the OT. God punished nations for disobeying His laws...not just Israel!

Um...excuse me>>> I'd like to invite you to a friend of mine::::Jesus Christ. He died for my sins>>Now I obey His laws. It's what God wanted.

 

[Eccl.12:13]

Ok then I'll rephrase::>

Is there anything other than the 10 commandments that, in your opinion our saviour (you say "your" so maybe he's not yours at all) demands that we keep?

Is there anything else? Or is it just the sabbath that were missing out on?

Like I said, there was only ONE set of laws nailed to the cross with Christ. ALL of the others remain.

That would include ALL of God's high days, His Dietary laws and all of His moral laws.

When Jesus returns ALL will keep them, so you might as well get used to doing them now, if you are fortunate to be here during His rule.

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[Strangelove]

Like I said, there was only ONE set of laws nailed to the cross with Christ. ALL of the others remain.

That would include ALL of God's high days, His Dietary laws and all of His moral laws.

When Jesus returns ALL will keep them, so you might as well get used to doing them now, if you are fortunate to be here during His rule.

Ok can you just list all the laws that we need to keep just so theres no confusion. Go ahead bullet point us::::::::::::::::::

That would be really helpful.

 

[Eccl.12:13]

Ok can you just list all the laws that we need to keep just so theres no confusion. Go ahead bullet point us::::::::::::::::::

That would be really helpful.

Strangelove;

This may be the last reply I give to you. If you do not agree that is fine. My lessons are for those that may not have heard topics like these discussed before.

My lessons are to encourge those that believe they need to keep God laws to continue to do so.

And here is what may by my final scriptures to you....

"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."

I pray God will open your understanding and knowledge, for only He can do that! If not, then that means.....


"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:"



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[Strangelove]

Thers no need for all that.....c'mon I'm actually interested in your lessons now::::::::::::But before we start school can you just layout what the curriculum is gonna be plz.

Can you list for us everything were gonna go through in class. All the laws and commandments and statues that will be discussed.

Thanks.

Doc

 

[jiggyfly]

Not obeying God's laws does not always mean death.

The nation of Israel was put into slavery many times because they did not obey. They were also cursed and NOT blessed.

In the case of Cain, God did not kill him but he was driven from the land were he lived. As far as a punishment......I guess we will have to wait until judgement.

Did not God punish Sodem and Gomorrah for their sins? Please take note, not one Israelite was yet around.

Looks like God did not want ANY nations breaking His laws. This and many other such cases can be found throughout the OT. God punished nations for disobeying His laws...not just Israel!


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But can you answer the questions?

Yes, the law was enforced. Did Cain live past one day? No, no one has lived past one day.

Got some scripture that supports your answer of "yes"?