How can anyone fall for the errors of Calvinism ?

[Behold]

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I think you need help, please talk to your minister about your attitude to other Christians.

I think you need help comprehending that i just explained to you, that when i posted to you about the heresy of Calvinism, that is taught by Calvinists, i was not talking about you, specifically.

Read more slowly, and more carefully.. if possible... @Windmill Charge , as im not going to explain this to you again.

 

[Behold]

We can only be drawn to Jesus, by the mighty power of His Spirit.

Yes, exactly.

And when we say.. "Drawn to Jesus", we are not being Drawn to his hair style, or his cloak, or his eye color, or to his sandals.

We are being DRAWN, by the HOLY SPIRIT<= to KNOW that the Gospel is TRUE, and we need to BELIEVE IT.

The Holy Spirit reveals, and then we have the choice to believe it... And then, you will or you wont.

Everyone who went to hell, believes in Jesus right now.. .and that is not "God causing them to believe it".....after they are in Hell.
Its because they are IN HELL< they know it, and now they have the eyeball proof.. and so, they put that faith in Christ, in Hell, that they should have given Him when they were breathing, and then they would not have died and gone to Hell like a bullet.

 

[Scott Downey]

And this beginning was truly at the beginning, the God chose us by His grace from the beginning of time to be the saved.

Ephesians 1

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ,

4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,

5 having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will,

6 to the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He [a]made us accepted in the Beloved.

7 In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace

8 which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and [b]prudence,

9 having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, 10 that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, [c]both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. 11 In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, 12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

 

[Scott Downey]

Understand that GOD first chose you by His grace to believe with faith in His SON from the beginning of time (before time began) This was in His eternal counsel He determined in His own SELF.

And so God accomplishes His will in you by His work when you trust Him at verse 13 for the praise of the glory of His grace .

12 that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who[d] is the [e]guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory

 

[Scott Downey]

Paul tells us that your very belief in Christ, God has given to you.
For the sake - behalf of Christ His Son, that Christ would have a church and family, you are now the children of God.

Philippians 1


KJV
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
KJ21
For unto you it is given on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
ASV
because to you it hath been granted in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer in his behalf:
AMP
For you have been granted [the privilege] for Christ’s sake, not only to believe and confidently trust in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,
AMPC
For you have been granted [the privilege] for Christ’s sake not only to believe in (adhere to, rely on, and trust in) Him, but also to suffer in His behalf.
BRG
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
CSB
For it has been granted to you on Christ’s behalf not only to believe in him, but also to suffer for him,
NKJV
For to you it has been granted on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake,

 

[Behold]

4 just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world,

Exactly.

You have to be "IN CHRIST".. to be "CHOSEN"... "ADOPTED">.. as you are chosen and Adopted "IN CHIRST". to be predestined to be conformed.

See, the "Predestining" is what happens after you are "IN CHRIST"......as THEN you are "predestined to be conformed"..

And the "Foreknowledge of God" knows who this will be, before you are born........and that KNOWING< is only knowing... Its not Calvin's redefining it, as "pre-destined" "caused" ...

 

[Behold]

KJV
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Paul understands that the Grace of God, includes the HONOR of suffering for Him..

So, He views this as an honor, and is explaining it as this Honor....

Also, any bible student, has read that "you shall have Tribulation in this world".. and that is not God causing it....

So, this Calvinist heresy that everything is caused, ... predestined.. is the core rot of Calvin's Heresy.

 

[Behold]

Understand that GOD first chose you by His grace to believe with faith in His SON f

First understand that "God has given to all people, the measure of Faith".

So, will you use it to believe Calvin's Lies?
Many of you have...

Will you use it to have faith that UFO's are real?

Will you put your faith in Mary, and hope she meets you when you are dying?

Will you put your faith in Science, and the "theory of Evolution"?

Or Will you take your God given Faith, that is given to "everyone", and put it in Christ, so that God can forgive you, and give you the new birth, as a "new creation in Christ"?

A.) Use your FREE WILL to put your FAITH that God gives to "everyone"....., where you decide, as in the end, God is going to Honor what you did with YOUR FAITH.

 

[Ritajanice]

One has to be Born Again to be in Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

First understand that "God has given to all people, the measure of Faith".

So, will you use it to believe Calvin's Lies?
Many of you have...

Will you use it to have faith that UFO's are real?

Will you put your faith in Mary, and hope she meets you when you are dying?

Will you put your faith in Science, and the "theory of Evolution"?

Or Will you take your God given Faith, that is given to "everyone", and put it in Christ, so that God can forgive you, and give you the new birth, as a "new creation in Christ"?

A.) Use your FREE WILL to put your FAITH that God gives to "everyone"....., where you decide, as in the end, God is going to Honor what you did with YOUR FAITH.

If you are quoting Romans 12 this is Paul speaking of those among you, as in the body of Christ. All of them have a God given measure of faith. It is not referring to all people. Paul is speaking of believers in the body of Christ, not the unbelieving world. The unbelieving world has no faith in Christ.

3 For I say, through the grace given to me, to everyone who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think, but to think soberly, as God has dealt to each one a measure of faith.

4 For as we have many members in one body, but all the members do not have the same function, 5 so we, being many, are one body in Christ, and individually members of one another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, let us prophesy in proportion to our faith; 7 or ministry, let us use it in our ministering; he who teaches, in teaching; 8 he who exhorts, in exhortation; he who gives, with liberality; he who leads, with diligence; he who shows mercy, with cheerfulness.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

According to John Calvin, predestination is God’s unchangeable decree from before the creation of the world that God would freely save some people (the elect), foreordaining them to eternal life, while the others would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death."., (Just for being born).

So, according to Calvin's theology, some of your family were "pre-chosen" by God to burn in the Lake of Fire, before they were even born.

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See that Reader? ??

That is the Demonic John Calvin teaching that before some are born, God has "decreed" that they are born only to burn in the Lake of FIRE. = pre-destined.

"Pre-destined by GOD, to go to Hell, then the Lake of Fire"...

See,..... the issue with this doctrine of devil's is MANY.... as this hellish doctrine is (T.U.L.I.P) LEGION... and what you have to SEE.. .Reader... is that all of us are EQUAL, regarding originally being a SINNER.

Why? "Because ALL HAVE SINNED".

This is why "Jesus came into the world TO SAVE SINNERS"< not the "elect only" as Demonic "TULIP" & Calvinism Teaches.

Calvinism Abuses God, willfully..= by falsely accusing Him of causing people to NOT BELIEVE... As they are not "chosen" to believe.
They are "pre-destined into ..(FORCED BY GOD))...= Unbelief".., .is what this DEVIL Teaches people to Believe.

So then answer what God has to say which mirrors the Words of Calvin:

Romans 9:14-24

King James Version

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14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

You do not use Scripture but use emotional pleas to try to drum up support for your cause!

But Romans 9 makes it very clear especially in verses 21-22 that all you do is make emotional appeals not based on Scripture.

Still waiting for you to use scripture to rebut me and defend your position.

I won't use emotional appeals to try to get people to agree wioth the Word of God like you use to get folks to agree with your emotions.

 

[Ritajanice]

Human faith is just that, human faith....without supernatural faith/ becoming Born Of The Spirit.....you can’t know God in one’s heart...a Born Again knows God in their heart....because we were chosen and predestined to become saints, before the foundation of the world.
A Born Again can never be taught by a fake believer...they can only be taught by the Holy Spirit.
Mind blowing!!

My sheep know my voice and we do.

In the same way that repentance is granted by God (Acts 11:18; 2 Tim. 2:25), faith is also a supernatural gift of God. Ephesians 2:8–9 affirms this: “By grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.”

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Holy Spirit reveals, and then we have the choice to believe it... And then, you will or you wont.

And those who come to Jesus are teh ones the Father gave to Jesus- JOhn 6
The ones who do not believe are the ones who are not drawn by the Father.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Sorry that you do not like what Gods word has to say about it.

 

[Windmill Charge]

I think you need help comprehending that i just explained to you, that when i posted to you about the heresy of Calvinism, that is taught by Calvinists, i was not talking about you, specifically.

Read more slowly, and more carefully.. if possible... @Windmill Charge , as im not going to explain this to you again.

Sorry but the violent and abusive language you use about Christians and your words are directed at those of us you respond to you.
You wrote"

See, when you spit on God's Grace,

I would like chapter and verse for when I have done this.

 

[Scott Downey]

Acts 13 says clearly,
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

The appointment by God to their eternal life came before their belief in Christ, that is what predestination means, chosen by the Father to be given to Christ as His children, in the future. This was decided from the beginning of all things. Only those so appointed by God believed the message of the gospel, and gained eternal life in Christ, and the rest were hardened...
Those appointed are the elect.

Romans 11, God does not cast away His people whom HE FOREKNEW, God saves them.
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1 I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”
9 And David says:

“Let their table become a snare and a trap,
A stumbling block and a recompense to them.
10 Let their eyes be darkened, so that they do not see,
And bow down their back always.”
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Acts 13
44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city came together to hear the word of God. 45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy; and contradicting and blaspheming, they opposed the things spoken by Paul. 46 Then Paul and Barnabas grew bold and said, “It was necessary that the word of God should be spoken to you first; but since you reject it, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, behold, we turn to the Gentiles. 47 For so the Lord has commanded us:

‘I have set you as a light to the Gentiles,
That you should be for salvation to the ends of the earth.’ ”
48 Now when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord. And as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed.

49 And the word of the Lord was being spread throughout all the region. 50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and prominent women and the chief men of the city, raised up persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them from their region. 51 But they shook off the dust from their feet against them, and came to Iconium. 52 And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

 

[FaithWillDo]

The appointment by God to their eternal life came before their belief in Christ, that is what predestination means, chosen by the Father to be given to Christ as His children, in the future. This was decided from the beginning of all things. Only those so appointed by God believed the message of the gospel, and gained eternal life in Christ, and the rest were hardened...
Those appointed are the elect.

Dear Scott Downey,
I read a few of your posts and agree with much of what you stated.

You said:
The appointment by God to their eternal life came before their belief in Christ, that is what predestination means, chosen by the Father to be given to Christ as His children, in the future.

I would make one change to your statement concerning the use of the word "eternal". There is no Greek word used in scripture that means eternal. "Aion/aionios" means an age of time/pertaining to an age.

The ages were created for God's purpose of producing His offspring. Christ was given the mission of producing God's offspring and His work will continue throughout the ages until the last person is saved.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

One of the rewards that the Elect will receive is to have "life" (salvation) during the ages.

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into age-during punishment: but the righteous into age-during life.

This statement is fulfilled when Christ separates the sheep (Elect) from the goats (balance of mankind) at the White Throne. The sheep will have life for the age and is in contrast to the goats who will receive punishment for the age. Scripture rarely teaches about anything that occurs outside of the ages.

When scripture wants to communicate that life never ends, it will use the word "immortal" (aphthartos) or other words to that effect.

Here is one of those scriptures:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal (aion), immortal (aphthartos), invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

With the way this verse is translated in the KJV, it is redundant to say that Christ is eternal and immortal. Why would scripture do this? It wouldn't and it doesn't.

Here is how the verse should be translated:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

In this age, Christ is only saving the people who have been chosen for an early salvation. They are the Elect and the First Fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind. From your posts, I know that you belief this to be true.

The fundamental reason why others on this forum won't accept this truth is because they are following Satan's gospel which has taught them to mix their own works with faith. This false gospel places the responsibility of a person's salvation onto mankind rather than onto Christ. Scripture calls this pathway to God the "crooked" way (religion) and it is the way that is taught by the Old Covenant. Under the New Covenant, Christ is the one who is responsible for saving mankind. Because He is, He is the one who does all the works. Mankind does not contribute anything (no works) toward their own salvation.

And as you said in one of your posts, when Christ is ready for a person to "believe", Christ is the one who will cause it to happen.

Christ causes it to happen by coming to the person and giving them the Early Rain of the Spirit. With the Early Rain of the Spirit (even just this small amount), the Spirit will give the person their faith in Christ. Without the Spirit, no man can call Jesus "Lord":

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

In this age, Christ will give "many" people this free gift of the Early Rain. After a person receives it, they will enter the church. But since the Early Rain of the Spirit is given in "measure", the person remains carnally minded, spiritually blind and unconverted. In this weak condition, Satan has no trouble deceiving the "babe" and causing them to commit the "sin that leads to death". That sin is the sin of mixing works with faith. After a new believer commits this sin, they will enter the apostate church and begin following the ways of Satan rather than the ways of Christ.

There are many scriptures which teach this truth. Below is one of the most clear:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (the converted Elect). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they (the babes) might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

Since all believers start off as "babes", all believers will quickly become apostate. This is what Paul was warned would soon be happening to the church in Acts 20:29-31. It was very distressing news for Paul because He greatly loved the church.

Since all believers since the death of Paul have become apostate, it is necessary for Christ to "come again" to the few believers who are also "chosen".

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

When Christ comes the second time a chosen believer, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. This gift will restore the believer and heal the believer's spiritual blindness so that they can know the truth. This is when they will realize that they have been following Satan instead of Christ (Mat 24:15). This news will shake their spiritual world and change the paradigm from which they "see" Christ. The natural sun (Satan) and natural moon (their carnal spirit) will be darkened because they will no longer receive their light (truth) any longer. It is at this point that Christ and the Freewoman will birth the new child of God. Christ will then gather the new child of God to heaven (Mat 24:29-31).

By giving the additional flask of oil of the Latter Rain of the Spirit to the Wise Virgins/the Elect is how Christ differentiates the "many" who are called to be saints from the "few" who are chosen to be saints.

As you have said, the people who are saved in this age have been chosen for this blessing of an early salvation. Mankind does not get to decide when they will receive Christ's free gift of salvation.

For the balance of mankind who is not saved during this age, they will still be saved during their time of judgment in the Lake of Fire.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

During their judgment (which is administered by Christ), Christ will have mercy upon each condemned person before they perish (the penalty of sin). Christ's mercy will come to each of them as the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit which will give them true faith in Christ. From the gift of the Spirit, the new child of God will be born and gathered to heaven. The child of the Devil (who they used to be) will remain in the Lake of Fire to perish. This death will satisfy justice.

After Christ has saved the last person in the final age, these scriptures will be testified to be true:

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Since you believe that salvation only comes to a person by the work of Christ, do you believe that Christ will complete the mission that the Father gave to Him to save the world?

Joe

 

[Scott Downey]

Dear Scott Downey,
I read a few of your posts and agree with much of what you stated.

You said:
The appointment by God to their eternal life came before their belief in Christ, that is what predestination means, chosen by the Father to be given to Christ as His children, in the future.

I would make one change to your statement concerning the use of the word "eternal". There is no Greek word used in scripture that means eternal. "Aion/aionios" means an age of time/pertaining to an age.

The ages were created for God's purpose of producing His offspring. Christ was given the mission of producing God's offspring and His work will continue throughout the ages until the last person is saved.

1John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.

One of the rewards that the Elect will receive is to have "life" (salvation) during the ages.

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into age-during punishment: but the righteous into age-during life.

This statement is fulfilled when Christ separates the sheep (Elect) from the goats (balance of mankind) at the White Throne. The sheep will have life for the age and is in contrast to the goats who will receive punishment for the age. Scripture rarely teaches about anything that occurs outside of the ages.

When scripture wants to communicate that life never ends, it will use the word "immortal" (aphthartos) or other words to that effect.

Here is one of those scriptures:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King eternal (aion), immortal (aphthartos), invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

With the way this verse is translated in the KJV, it is redundant to say that Christ is eternal and immortal. Why would scripture do this? It wouldn't and it doesn't.

Here is how the verse should be translated:

1Tim 1:17 Now unto the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

In this age, Christ is only saving the people who have been chosen for an early salvation. They are the Elect and the First Fruits of Christ's harvest of mankind. From your posts, I know that you belief this to be true.

The fundamental reason why others on this forum won't accept this truth is because they are following Satan's gospel which has taught them to mix their own works with faith. This false gospel places the responsibility of a person's salvation onto mankind rather than onto Christ. Scripture calls this pathway to God the "crooked" way (religion) and it is the way that is taught by the Old Covenant. Under the New Covenant, Christ is the one who is responsible for saving mankind. Because He is, He is the one who does all the works. Mankind does not contribute anything (no works) toward their own salvation.

And as you said in one of your posts, when Christ is ready for a person to "believe", Christ is the one who will cause it to happen.

Christ causes it to happen by coming to the person and giving them the Early Rain of the Spirit. With the Early Rain of the Spirit (even just this small amount), the Spirit will give the person their faith in Christ. Without the Spirit, no man can call Jesus "Lord":

1Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Spirit.

In this age, Christ will give "many" people this free gift of the Early Rain. After a person receives it, they will enter the church. But since the Early Rain of the Spirit is given in "measure", the person remains carnally minded, spiritually blind and unconverted. In this weak condition, Satan has no trouble deceiving the "babe" and causing them to commit the "sin that leads to death". That sin is the sin of mixing works with faith. After a new believer commits this sin, they will enter the apostate church and begin following the ways of Satan rather than the ways of Christ.

There are many scriptures which teach this truth. Below is one of the most clear:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (the converted Elect). 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they (the babes) might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

Since all believers start off as "babes", all believers will quickly become apostate. This is what Paul was warned would soon be happening to the church in Acts 20:29-31. It was very distressing news for Paul because He greatly loved the church.

Since all believers since the death of Paul have become apostate, it is necessary for Christ to "come again" to the few believers who are also "chosen".

Mat 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

When Christ comes the second time a chosen believer, He will pour out the Latter Rain of the Spirit. This gift will restore the believer and heal the believer's spiritual blindness so that they can know the truth. This is when they will realize that they have been following Satan instead of Christ (Mat 24:15). This news will shake their spiritual world and change the paradigm from which they "see" Christ. The natural sun (Satan) and natural moon (their carnal spirit) will be darkened because they will no longer receive their light (truth) any longer. It is at this point that Christ and the Freewoman will birth the new child of God. Christ will then gather the new child of God to heaven (Mat 24:29-31).

By giving the additional flask of oil of the Latter Rain of the Spirit to the Wise Virgins/the Elect is how Christ differentiates the "many" who are called to be saints from the "few" who are chosen to be saints.

As you have said, the people who are saved in this age have been chosen for this blessing of an early salvation. Mankind does not get to decide when they will receive Christ's free gift of salvation.

For the balance of mankind who is not saved during this age, they will still be saved during their time of judgment in the Lake of Fire.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

During their judgment (which is administered by Christ), Christ will have mercy upon each condemned person before they perish (the penalty of sin). Christ's mercy will come to each of them as the Early and Latter Rains of the Spirit which will give them true faith in Christ. From the gift of the Spirit, the new child of God will be born and gathered to heaven. The child of the Devil (who they used to be) will remain in the Lake of Fire to perish. This death will satisfy justice.

After Christ has saved the last person in the final age, these scriptures will be testified to be true:

Rom 5:18 so then as it was by one offence towards all men to condemnation, so by one righteousness towards all men for justification of life. 19 For as indeed by the disobedience of the one man the many have been constituted sinners, so also by the obedience of the one the many will be constituted righteous.

1Tim 2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4 who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

Since you believe that salvation only comes to a person by the work of Christ, do you believe that Christ will complete the mission that the Father gave to Him to save the world?

Joe

I don't see where Christ said anything except an eternal destruction awaiting for those who reject God and Christ.

 

[Scott Downey]

The Son of Man Will Judge the Nations​

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the [c]holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. 33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; 36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38 When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39 Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40 And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’
44 “Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45 Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’

46 And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

 

[FaithWillDo]

I don't see where Christ said anything except an eternal destruction awaiting for those who reject God and Christ.

Dear Scott Downey,
Since only people who are chosen for salvation will receive salvation in this age, why do you think Christ is going to forget about the people who were not chosen? After all, the Father sent Christ save the world and not just some of the world.

When Christ judges the lost in the Lake of Fire, He will not omit mercy, faith and justice when He judges them.

Why do you contend that Christ is going to omit mercy, faith and justice?

Don't you know that Christ loves His enemies and that He will bless them with salvation?

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain (Early and Latter Rain) on the just (the Elect) and on the unjust (the condemned).

And don't you know that it is through judgment that Christ blesses mankind with salvation:

Isa 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.

Jer 4:2 And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory.

Psa 33:5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

Prov 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Christ's judgment of mankind is for the purpose of saving mankind.

For that reason, Christ made this statement:

Luke 12:49 “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Did Christ make this statement above because He is bloodthirsty and enjoys punishing the wicked? Or did Christ make this statement because He loves the wicked (all mankind) and wants to bless them with salvation?

Don't you know that salvation (conversion) requires the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of Fire (judgment)?

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, AND WITH FIRE: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Fire is the spirit word which represents judgment.

In the end, Christ will have all mankind willingly bow to Him and call Him "Lord":

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Restated by Paul:

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Don't you know that Christ's word which is stated in the verse above will not come back to Him void?

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

If you don't have enough faith to believe what Christ says, then pray for more faith. Our God is the giver of good gifts!

Joe

 

[Scott Downey]

Dear Scott Downey,
Since only people who are chosen for salvation will receive salvation in this age, why do you think Christ is going to forget about the people who were not chosen? After all, the Father sent Christ save the world and not just some of the world.

When Christ judges the lost in the Lake of Fire, He will not omit mercy, faith and justice when He judges them.

Why do you contend that Christ is going to omit mercy, faith and justice?

Don't you know that Christ loves His enemies and that He will bless them with salvation?

Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain (Early and Latter Rain) on the just (the Elect) and on the unjust (the condemned).

And don't you know that it is through judgment that Christ blesses mankind with salvation:

Isa 1:27 Zion shall be redeemed with judgment, and her converts with righteousness.

Jer 4:2 And thou shalt swear, The LORD liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory.

Psa 33:5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

Prov 28:5 Evil men understand not judgment: but they that seek the LORD understand all things.

Christ's judgment of mankind is for the purpose of saving mankind.

For that reason, Christ made this statement:

Luke 12:49 “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

Did Christ make this statement above because He is bloodthirsty and enjoys punishing the wicked? Or did Christ make this statement because He loves the wicked (all mankind) and wants to bless them with salvation?

Don't you know that salvation (conversion) requires the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism of Fire (judgment)?

Mat 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit, AND WITH FIRE: 12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

Fire is the spirit word which represents judgment.

In the end, Christ will have all mankind willingly bow to Him and call Him "Lord":

Isa 45:22 Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. 23 I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, that unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear.

Restated by Paul:

Phi 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 and that every tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Don't you know that Christ's word which is stated in the verse above will not come back to Him void?

Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

If you don't have enough faith to believe what Christ says, then pray for more faith. Our God is the giver of good gifts!

Joe

Luke 12:49 “I came to send fire on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled!

I don't look at this as actual 'fire' although eventually that does happen to this world, but God will give us a new earth and heaven.

It is also referring to the fire of the Holy Spirit baptism, recall also 'tongues of flames' over their heads when the Holy Spirit was given.

Matthew 3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Acts 2:3
Then there appeared to them divided tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.