Ronald Nolette
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Once again lots of verbal methane, but nothing to refute the five points from the word of God. You are predictable as an atomic clock! Just without the accuracy and integrity.
How can anyone fall for the errors of Calvinism ?
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Behold
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According to John Calvin, predestination is God’s unchangeable decree from before the creation of the world that God would freely save some people (the elect), foreordaining them to eternal life, while the others would be “barred from access to” salvation and sentenced to “eternal death."., (Just for being born).
So, according to Calvin's theology, some of your family were "pre-chosen" by God to burn in the Lake of Fire, before they were even born.
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See that Reader? ??
That is the Demonic John Calvin teaching that before some are born, God has "decreed" that they are born only to burn in the Lake of FIRE. = pre-destined.
"Pre-destined by GOD, to go to Hell, then the Lake of Fire"...
See,..... the issue with this doctrine of devil's is MANY.... as this hellish doctrine is (T.U.L.I.P) LEGION... and what you have to SEE.. .Reader... is that all of us are EQUAL, regarding originally being a SINNER.
Why? "Because ALL HAVE SINNED".
This is why "Jesus came into the world TO SAVE SINNERS"< not the "elect only" as Demonic "TULIP" & Calvinism Teaches.
Calvinism Abuses God, willfully..= by falsely accusing Him of causing people to NOT BELIEVE... As they are not "chosen" to believe.
They are "pre-destined into ..(FORCED BY GOD))...= Unbelief".., .is what this DEVIL Teaches people to Believe.
Even the elect are sinners of which Paul was one of the chief sinners, but God had mercy on Paul and saved him, as in Paul was chosen of God to be in Christ. Christ was not sent into the world to save ALL sinners, just believing in Christ sinners.
Paul really was a very bad guy persecuting and having church people put to death. Verse 15 points out that God had plans for Paul, brought him into the world, delivered him from his mother's womb, and called Paul by His grace
Paul says he is an example pattern to those who are going to believe on Christ for everlasting life... that by grace are you saved, and this grace is personally shown to select individuals, this is not some kind of world covering grace to all.
Galatians 1
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it. 14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, 16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
Glory to God for His Grace
12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord who has enabled me, because He counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry, 13 although I was formerly a blasphemer, a persecutor, and an [d]insolent man; but I obtained mercy because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceedingly abundant, with faith and love which are in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, to [e]God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.Paul really was a very bad guy persecuting and having church people put to death. Verse 15 points out that God had plans for Paul, brought him into the world, delivered him from his mother's womb, and called Paul by His grace
Paul says he is an example pattern to those who are going to believe on Christ for everlasting life... that by grace are you saved, and this grace is personally shown to select individuals, this is not some kind of world covering grace to all.
Galatians 1
11 But I make known to you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12 For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but it came through the revelation of Jesus Christ.
13 For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it. 14 And I advanced in Judaism beyond many of my contemporaries in my own nation, being more exceedingly zealous for the traditions of my fathers.
15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace, 16 to reveal His Son in me, that I might preach Him among the Gentiles, I did not immediately confer with flesh and blood, 17 nor did I go up to Jerusalem to those who were apostles before me; but I went to Arabia, and returned again to Damascus.
Behold
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You are stating a doctrine of devils that teaches that you are born again, before you give God your faith.
That can't happen, but that wont keep Calvin's disciples from trying to sell that lie, as for them that is "Ministry".
Behold
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You just twisted a verse into Calvins doctrine of devils
You changed the verse... that says.....>>>"Christ was sent into the world to seek and save that which was lost"... or another version says... "Christ came into the world to save the lost"..
As that is the same as "Christ came into the world to save SINNERS"..
So, who isnt a sinner?
And you just changed that reality to fit your doctrine of devils that Calvin and also the 5-points, teach.
So, what you did is you Took The Cross and you denied it, by only allowing it to be available for "believers".
And that is just the same "God chose only the pre-destined".. doctrine of devils..... but you wrapped it up slightly in a dumb down'd version.
The Fact is.. The Truth is = That God sent His Son to pay for the sin of the world, and that means, for EVERYONE who is a sinner, and that means, The Cross is for EVERYONE, as everyone is a SINNER... and not just Calvin's "pre-destined", minority.
For by grace are you saved.
Consider your calling brethren....by God...
26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called.
23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a [i]stumbling block and to the [j]Greeks foolishness,
24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
God does not call all, He saves the ones He calls
To us who are being saved it is the power of God
But of Him you are in Christ Jesus,
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the [h]disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a [i]stumbling block and to the [j]Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
Consider your calling brethren....by God...
26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called.
23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a [i]stumbling block and to the [j]Greeks foolishness,
24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
God does not call all, He saves the ones He calls
To us who are being saved it is the power of God
But of Him you are in Christ Jesus,
Christ the Power and Wisdom of God
18 For the [g]message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19 For it is written:“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the [h]disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. 22 For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom; 23 but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a [i]stumbling block and to the [j]Greeks foolishness, 24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
Glory Only in the Lord
26 For [k]you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many [l]noble, are called. 27 But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; 28 and the [m]base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, 29 that no flesh should glory in His presence.30 But of Him you are in Christ Jesus, who became for us wisdom from God—and righteousness and sanctification and redemption— 31 that, as it is written, “He who glories, let him glory in the Lord.”
For[c] the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.
Is part of a parable, and parables have to be explained, those not of God will not understand a parableHere Christ is speaking of His LOST SHEEP, not the world.
Christ does not pray for the world, He only prays for those God has given Him, for they He says were yours, and you gave them to ME, as HE says in John 17.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 18:10-12 - New King James Version
The Parable of the Lost Sheep - “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost. “What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep...
The Parable of the Lost Sheep
10 “Take heed that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven. 11 For[c] the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost.12 “What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? 13 And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.
v14 is the same as here in meaning
John 6:39
This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.
With the result being this
John 18
8 Jesus answered, “I have told you that I am He. Therefore, if you seek Me, let these go their way,”
9 that the saying might be fulfilled which He spoke, “Of those whom You gave Me I have lost none.”
Who are the lost sheep anyway? They are not all mankind.
Because the sheep hear His voice and follow Christ, and we can see not every single person does that.
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
And the lost sheep in v16 not of this fold could be thought of as the gentiles who have not yet heard their shepherd's call.... When they do hear, they will follow Christ and become part of His one flock and Him as one shepherd over His sheep. The have not yet heard Christ, they are not yet come to Christ, they are not yet part of the body of Christ, but Christ calls them His other sheep. They are the ones God will grant to come to Christ. The ones God has chosen according to His foreknowledge to be saved. They are the ones God has given to Christ to believe and be saved as part of the flock, the church. But they don't know it yet.
John 10
1 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a [b]hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
Because the sheep hear His voice and follow Christ, and we can see not every single person does that.
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
And the lost sheep in v16 not of this fold could be thought of as the gentiles who have not yet heard their shepherd's call.... When they do hear, they will follow Christ and become part of His one flock and Him as one shepherd over His sheep. The have not yet heard Christ, they are not yet come to Christ, they are not yet part of the body of Christ, but Christ calls them His other sheep. They are the ones God will grant to come to Christ. The ones God has chosen according to His foreknowledge to be saved. They are the ones God has given to Christ to believe and be saved as part of the flock, the church. But they don't know it yet.
John 10
1 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. 3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. 4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. 5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.” 6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.
Jesus the Good Shepherd
7 Then Jesus said to them again, “Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. 8 All who ever came [a]before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them. 9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture. 10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a [b]hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep. 14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own. 15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep. 16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”
Behold
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Yes, God has called both Jews and Greeks, as the verse says.
How, by "CHRIST" whose Sacrifice is the Grace of God and the "preaching of the Cross", that is the Gospel, is the "POWER of God, unto Salvation".
Reader...
The Cross of Christ, is an eternal Lighthouse, that is sent by GOD, into a WORLD of Darkness. Its an offering to the WORLD of sinners.
John 3:16.... "For God so loved the WORLD., that He GAVE Jesus".
See that?
That is THe offer of The Cross of Christ, to EVERYONE, (The World)... forever. to "ALL who will believe".. = Whosoever.
And the deceived follower of Calvin and the 5-points, are taught by their doctrine of devils, to DENY that the Cross is for EVERYONE = THE WORLD, the "WHOsoever"... and twist the verse so that they would have you deceived to believe that Jesus didnt come to the World to ""SAVE SINNERS.'"... as this verse teaches.... "Christ came into the World to SAVE SINNERS".. and Reader... everyone in the WORLD is a "SINNER".
But the deceived Calvinist, and the 5-point worshipers, deny that, and teach that "For God so loved only the ELECT, and its only for the pre-destined EXEMPTED, that the Cross of Christ is offered..
And that CROSS DENYING ""doctrine of Devils"" Hebrews 13:9.... is a CURSE Upon them.... .as its a FALSE Gospel.... Galatians 1:8
As far as I can see, what is upsetting you is that Calvin believed/taught that God choose who would be saved and who would be condemned.
No one knows who will be come Christians or who won't and the end result in eternity is the same.
Those who were saved will be in heaven and those who rejected salvation will be in hell.
How does your rage against Calvin and calvinists change anything?
What you have not faced is that many of history's greatest missionaries have been Calvin's.
If there beliefs where so diabolic why did they go. John Paton, David zbrainard, William Carey, Jim Elliott to name but a few.
Behold
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Try not to confuse being sincerely adamant with "upset". @Windmillcharge
Let me assure you, that its the Cross Denying Disciples of the one who has caused Them to preach and love his demonic theology, that "need to be upset". That need to turn it loose as if its a fire on their clothes.
See, when you spit on God's Grace, by willfully denying... that The Cross of Jesus The Christ... is NOT for everyone, and that only some are not "predestined for Hell", because God only chooses some to not go to Hell as HIS will..... = When teaching that Cross denying LIE is your MINISTRY, is your BELIEF System... then you are in league with a Devil, while you continue to preach HIS heresy.
If you have a bible, or a few, then read Hebrews 13: 9.. and notice that the "doctrines of Devils" are MAN MADE Theology, that lead you into THEIR deception.
Paul teaches that this is being "BEWITCHED" by them.....
Thats Calvinism, that the "5_points".... that's what it does to you when you "get into it" and study it, are listen with an open mind and heart, when these Disciples of this Heretic, teach HIS Theology.
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2 Timothy 1
8 Therefore do not be ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me His prisoner, but share with me in the sufferings for the gospel according to the power of God,9 who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,
10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ, who has abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel,
11 to which I was appointed a preacher, an apostle, and a teacher [c]of the Gentiles.
12 For this reason I also suffer these things; nevertheless I am not ashamed, for I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day.
1 Corinthians 2
Spiritual Wisdom
6 However, we speak wisdom among those who are mature, yet not the wisdom of this age, nor of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God [c]ordained before the ages for our glory,
8 which none of the rulers of this age knew; for had they known, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 But as it is written:
“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard,
Nor have entered into the heart of man
The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.”
10 But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. 12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
13 These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the [d]Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one.
16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.
Behold
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When "YOU" spit on the Cross..
See that "You"< ?
That is a direct reference to those we are discussing, including Calvin.
So, that "YOU", is being used to describe all who teach, preach, a false Gospel, as all false Gospels, insult, deny, and abuse, The Cross of Christ and God's Grace.
So, im talking to those "YOU's"., but explained it to you, in response to your post. @Windmillcharge
Rereading your reply to me i seriously think you need counselling as your range of insults show a real lack of accepting that peo0le with views different to yours are actually Christian.
Please talk to someone about your attitude to those you disagree with.
Behold
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And how does Jesus "Draw" everyone, ALL to Himself.... @Scott Downey ?
Jesus said....>"If i be LIFTED UP>.. (on THE Cross) I will draw ALL people to me"..
A.) ALL
All means "all"., not some, not just the "elect".
ALL is.. "For God so loved the WORLD"... the world of HUMANS.. all of them...
Every single one of them.. .ALL.
So, God's Salvation, is not just offered to the "pre-destined elect" .... as taught by the the lying DEVIL who created that "5-point" doctrine from Hell.
That is not a list of where I have spat on God's grace.
It is a vague rant against those who disagree with you.
I think you need help, please talk to your minister about your attitude to other Christians.
John 6
36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [a]by no means cast out.
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
Same theme as 1 Peter 1
I love how the entire bible comes together as a coherent whole in agreement.
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
1 To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,
2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
And Paul writes, you can read all versions express the same fundamental idea of God choosing us for salvation
2 Thess 2
NIV
13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits[b] to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.
NKJV
13 But we are [f]bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through [g]sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our [h]epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and [i]establish you in every good word and work.
KJV
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
AMPC
13 But we, brethren beloved by the Lord, ought and are obligated [as those who are in debt] to give thanks always to God for you, because God chose you from the beginning [d]as His firstfruits (first converts) for salvation through the sanctifying work of the [Holy] Spirit and [your] belief in (adherence to, trust in, and reliance on) the Truth.
36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.
37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will [a]by no means cast out.
38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me.
Same theme as 1 Peter 1
I love how the entire bible comes together as a coherent whole in agreement.
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,
1 To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia,
2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:
Grace and peace be yours in abundance.
And Paul writes, you can read all versions express the same fundamental idea of God choosing us for salvation
2 Thess 2
NIV
13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits[b] to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. 14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings[c] we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.
16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope, 17 encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.
NKJV
13 But we are [f]bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through [g]sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth, 14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our [h]epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace, 17 comfort your hearts and [i]establish you in every good word and work.
KJV
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
AMPC
13 But we, brethren beloved by the Lord, ought and are obligated [as those who are in debt] to give thanks always to God for you, because God chose you from the beginning [d]as His firstfruits (first converts) for salvation through the sanctifying work of the [Holy] Spirit and [your] belief in (adherence to, trust in, and reliance on) the Truth.
Ritajanice
Born-Again
We can only be drawn to Jesus, by the mighty power of His Spirit.
It’s because of the cross that we can become Born Again.its the Spirit that saves us from eternal damnation.
.The cross represents the love and power, there would be no Born Again, if Jesus hadn’t died and been resurrected.
The cross represents Love/ selflessness/ obedience..the cross does not bring one’s spirit Alive in Christ..only the Spirit can do that, by his supernatural power...we are Born Of The Spirit..we are not Born Of the cross.
It’s because of the cross that we can become Born Again.its the Spirit that saves us from eternal damnation.
.The cross represents the love and power, there would be no Born Again, if Jesus hadn’t died and been resurrected.
The cross represents Love/ selflessness/ obedience..the cross does not bring one’s spirit Alive in Christ..only the Spirit can do that, by his supernatural power...we are Born Of The Spirit..we are not Born Of the cross.
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