How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[amigo de christo]

Yes, different ways it can be used. Unfortunately there are always those who provoke the Lord unto wrath (lots of scripts about that), as well as those who provoke in a good way (exhort and encourage etc).


Yes, those who accepted His outstretched hand. ( If I'm understanding you.) But sadly we know that not all did or do. Thus they unfortunately reap the wages of that. I think that Law as a parable of the gospel, shows both sides.

The law is holy , righteous and true . It also shows us something .
WE ALL SINNERS , that none are truly righteous in and of themselves . That all do and have fallen far short of the GLORY OF GOD .
The law was not to be blamed . The fault lies on man . The law was added for one reason
because of transgressions . TILL the TIME CAME for the PROMISE oF GOD HIMSELF
that he had foreordained to be the SAVOIR OF THE WORLD . With man he cannot save himself .
Who then can be saved LORD . WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBE . BUT NOT WITH GOD .
GOD SENT THE WAY TO BE SAVED . JESUS CHRIST . the answer to it all is this , BELIEVE YE IN HIM
HAVE ALL FAITH IN HE ALONE and the COMFORTER also who gives us aide
does TESTIFY OF WHO . JESUS CHRIST . JESUS SAID THIS . HE WILL TESTIFY OF ME .
Not of budda and good works , not of muslims and good works , OF JESUS CHRIST . HE and HE ALONE .
ALL the rest we need COMETH from HIM . THERE is no way on earth a man can please GOD
without FAITH . AND if our faith is NOT IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , WELL ITS NOT IN GOD WHO SENT HIM .
GOD made the way . But as you see many reject THE WAY , THE TRUTH , THE LIFE , THE GLORY OF GOD , which is JESUS CHRIST .
OH yes JESUS IS THE GLORY OF GOD . let us read revelation . And the GLORY OF GOD DID LIGHTEN IT
and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT THEREOF .
This wee lil baby is gonna POINT TO HE ALONE . LET the wise men mock me , let the scholars laugh at me ,
SO LONG as i HAVE THE LORD IS ALL that matters to me .

 

[Jim B]

The vatican and the popes are not the WORD of GOD . nor do they teach or preach it .
They teach only some truths and the lie is in the middle of them all . The liar knoweth how to decieve bread of life .
And so do his ministirs . They aint gonna come preaching all lies . They will always bring in some truths .
I mean how else can they ever appear as men of righteousness , yet in truth are what paul called satans ministirs .
My advice , time to flee all such places and let us learn CHRIST for ourselves .

Duh! The Vatican is a building and the Popes were/are people. And buildings can't teach!

Why should anyone pay attention to you when you write semi-literate garbage like "The liar knoweth how to decieve bread of life. And so do his ministirs" and "yet in truth are what paul called satans ministirs"?

Why don't you make even the slightest effort to write in reasonably-correct English? People are not going to respect what you write if you are so lazy!

 

[amigo de christo]

Duh! The Vatican is a building and the Popes were/are people. And buildings can't teach!

Why should anyone pay attention to you when you write semi-literate garbage like "The liar knoweth how to decieve bread of life. And so do his ministirs" and "yet in truth are what paul called satans ministirs"?

Why don't you make even the slightest effort to write in reasonably-correct English? People are not going to respect what you write if you are so lazy!

rather odd jim . You do realize your problem is not with my english . ITS WITH THE MESSAGE i BRING .
You aint fooling me jim . IF i supported your liberal progressive social all inclusive gosple . YOU BEEN PRAISING MY EVERY WORD .
YOU Know it , I know it , and more importantly GOD KNOWS IT .
Now repeat after me
progressivism is false
inclusvism is false
JESUS IS TRUE and The bible that contains HIS WORDS IS TRUTH . The apostels also wrote TRUTH inspired by the SPIRIT .
We cant pick and choose our truth jim . We either embrace the TRUTH or we decieve ourselves .
Your lil social gospel only embraces some of the TRUTH , yet contradicts Much of the truth .
CANT pick and choose jim . EITHER WE LOVE CHRIST or we dont .
And if we LOVE HIM we embrace the TRUTH HE SPOKE and INSPIRED .
repeat after me progressivism is false
deconstruction is false
inclusivism is false .

 

[Jim B]

The law is holy , righteous and true . It also shows us something .
WE ALL SINNERS , that none are truly righteous in and of themselves . That all do and have fallen far short of the GLORY OF GOD .
The law was not to be blamed . The fault lies on man . The law was added for one reason
because of transgressions . TILL the TIME CAME for the PROMISE oF GOD HIMSELF
that he had foreordained to be the SAVOIR OF THE WORLD . With man he cannot save himself .
Who then can be saved LORD . WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBE . BUT NOT WITH GOD .
GOD SENT THE WAY TO BE SAVED . JESUS CHRIST . the answer to it all is this , BELIEVE YE IN HIM
HAVE ALL FAITH IN HE ALONE and the COMFORTER also who gives us aide
does TESTIFY OF WHO . JESUS CHRIST . JESUS SAID THIS . HE WILL TESTIFY OF ME .
Not of budda and good works , not of muslims and good works , OF JESUS CHRIST . HE and HE ALONE .
ALL the rest we need COMETH from HIM . THERE is no way on earth a man can please GOD
without FAITH . AND if our faith is NOT IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , WELL ITS NOT IN GOD WHO SENT HIM .
GOD made the way . But as you see many reject THE WAY , THE TRUTH , THE LIFE , THE GLORY OF GOD , which is JESUS CHRIST .
OH yes JESUS IS THE GLORY OF GOD . let us read revelation . And the GLORY OF GOD DID LIGHTEN IT
and the LAMB IS THE LIGHT THEREOF .
This wee lil baby is gonna POINT TO HE ALONE . LET the wise men mock me , let the scholars laugh at me ,
SO LONG as i HAVE THE LORD IS ALL that matters to me .

We are not all sinners. Those of us in Christ are dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Romans 6:11, "So you too consider yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus."

And there is no "SAVOIR OF THE WORLD ". Can't you even take the time to spell "Savior" correctly??? Are you really that lazy and/or careless that you can't honor Jesus by spelling His title correctly???

And you misquote the Bible with garbage like "WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBE . BUT NOT WITH GOD". Don't you respect God's word enough to quote it accurately???

And you excuse your semiliterate garbage with "LET the wise men mock me , let the scholars laugh at me ,
SO LONG as i HAVE THE LORD IS ALL that matters to me" So it's all about you???

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here is another shock for you , for today., BreadOfLife
I dont care what Luther said about that issue he had that you have.
Im not a disciple of M. Luther., ........and, he had a lot of Cult of Mary "mental baggage" after he left that situation.
Here is what i can tell you about Mary from Paul......He was silent, yet, He wrote all the Church Doctrine, and over half of the NT Epistles.
So, if Mary was so very important, then Paul would have pointed this out, at least once.
He never did., as there was no reason to do it.
Mary is blessed among women. Not above them.......according to Scripture.
So we'll let the Scriptures speak, and we'll let you continue to rant.
We're use to it.

Ummmm, but you ARE a disciple of Luther – as ALL Protestants are.

You follow HIS 66-Book Canon of Scripture, with SEVEN deleted Books.
You follow HIS doctrine of Sola Scriptura.
You follow HIS doctrine of Sola Fide (Faith alone).

Grante, YOU an most Protestants have abandoned many of his other beliefs (the Eucharist, Marian doctrines, etc.) – but the 3 I mentioned are ESSENTIALS.

Finally – Mary was blessed ABOVE all because she was the ONLY person in human history to be chosen to conceive, carry and give birth to GOD Himself.

 

[amigo de christo]

And yet you STILL can't point to a SINGLE example of how the Catholic Church "contradicts" Scripture.

Remember what God commanded:
Exod. 20:16
“You shall NOT bear false witness against your neighbor.

Good luck with that . . .

Lets watch and see what you say about what i write next . lets see IF you make an excuse for it .
When the POPE himself as RECORDED on camera , blew incense before the koran , the budda statue
and etc . YOU DO REALIZE that was WICKED AS CAN BE .
Now everyone lets watch what he says about this . IF he lies i bring the very video
that the very vatican itself has on its WEB SITE . YOU GONNA MAKE EXCUSE FOR THIS TOO .
IT is an abomination what that pope does . He is the worst of the worst in these modern days .
BUT what says YOU . now everyone i will happily bring a video
showing where HE also states as does the vatican that muslims and us all worship the same GOD .
IN fact francis takes it a step farther and says all religions do in their own way .
What SAYS YOU . as for me , I POINT TO CHRIST ALONE , YE MUST BELIEVE and all other paths and religoins are FALSE
and are seen as an abomination to GOD . IF you like i can also show you WHY GOD destroyed many of his own
people for doing the very things the RCC and Protestant realm are doing today .

 

[amigo de christo]

We are not all sinners. Those of us in Christ are dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus. Romans 6:11, "So you too consider yourselves dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus."

And there is no "SAVOIR OF THE WORLD ". Can't you even take the time to spell "Savior" correctly??? Are you really that lazy and/or careless that you can't honor Jesus by spelling His title correctly???

And you misquote the Bible with garbage like "WITH MAN THIS IS IMPOSSIBE . BUT NOT WITH GOD". Don't you respect God's word enough to quote it accurately???

And you excuse your semiliterate garbage with "LET the wise men mock me , let the scholars laugh at me ,
SO LONG as i HAVE THE LORD IS ALL that matters to me" So it's all about you???

Yeah jim , the only problem is i was quoating JESUS CHRIST who told them that .
Your muslims who you claim follow the same GOD is a lie from hell .
THe muslims , atheiest , buddist , whaterverist cannot SAVE THEMSELVES JIM .
The only way to be saved , BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST JESUS .
The buddist do not recognize JESUS as THE CHRIST
nor do the muslims
nor the hindus
And you gotta know the atheist dont .
DO YOU REALIZE what SPIRIT that is of ............
OF ANTI CHRIST . try reading the bible for a change and not through the lens of the twisted social gospel either .
GOD has chosen HOW to save the WORLD jim . and it werent through faith in us , faith in budda faith in hinudism, its only
BY FAITH IN CHRIST JIM . You make void the LOVE OF GOD
by lying and saying muslims serve the same GOD WE DO .
HEY JIM , newsflash . JESUS TOLD the JEWS who even cliamed to serve GOD
they DID NOT KNOW GOD , cause they did not BELIEVE ON CHRIST JIM .
IF he dont give the jews a pass , HE WONT GIVE ANYONE ELSE A PASS EITHER JIM .
Your social gospel all inclusive lie is a lie that will unify many , but under the dragon , NOT CHRIST , not GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

Ummmm, but you ARE a disciple of Luther – as ALL Protestants are.

You follow HIS 66-Book Canon of Scripture, with SEVEN deleted Books.
You follow HIS doctrine of Sola Scriptura.
You follow HIS doctrine of Sola Fide (Faith alone).

Grante, YOU an most Protestants have abandoned many of his other beliefs (the Eucharist, Marian doctrines, etc.) – but the 3 I mentioned are ESSENTIALS.

Finally – Mary was blessed ABOVE all because she was the ONLY person in human history to be chosen to conceive, carry and give birth to GOD Himself.

What a joke . we dont follow luther .
You just lump all into one camp . Lets see if this works on you .
I am gonna do this same thing as an example . THE MUSLIMS are ALL EXREMIST who do jihad .
IS that TRUE . NOPE
STOP lumping folks into what you think is truth . WE dont follow luther . I have exposed some of what luther himself did teach .
WE sure dont follow calvin either . The lambs follow CHRIST . and we sure dont follow the RCC either .
You bought a lie my friend . now you just try and lump everyone into one camp . SORRY pard it dont work .

 

[Jim B]

rather odd jim . You do realize your problem is not with my english . ITS WITH THE MESSAGE i BRING .
You aint fooling me jim . IF i supported your liberal progressive social all inclusive gosple . YOU BEEN PRAISING MY EVERY WORD .
YOU Know it , I know it , and more importantly GOD KNOWS IT .
Now repeat after me
progressivism is false
inclusvism is false
JESUS IS TRUE and The bible that contains HIS WORDS IS TRUTH . The apostels also wrote TRUTH inspired by the SPIRIT .
We cant pick and choose our truth jim . We either embrace the TRUTH or we decieve ourselves .
Your lil social gospel only embraces some of the TRUTH , yet contradicts Much of the truth .
CANT pick and choose jim . EITHER WE LOVE CHRIST or we dont .
And if we LOVE HIM we embrace the TRUTH HE SPOKE and INSPIRED .
repeat after me progressivism is false
deconstruction is false
inclusivism is false .

My problem is with your English! You are so careless and/or lazy that you don't even take the time to write reasonably correct English! CARELESS AND/OR LAZY!!!

Some of your message is correct and some is not. Here is one area that proves both points: "IF i supported your liberal progressive social all inclusive gosple . YOU BEEN PRAISING MY EVERY WORD ." I have no idea what you mean when you write "liberal progressive social all inclusive gosple" [sic]. a) There is no word "gosple". or b) God loves the world, so He agrees with the liberal, progressive, all-inclusive gospel, even though you do not.

John 3:16-17, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him." How can you not agree with this and claim to be a Christian??? God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, yet that is all that you do!!! You are blind to your perpetually-condemning, judgmental self-righteousness!!!

There were no such people as "apostels", as you wrote " The apostels also wrote TRUTH inspired by the SPIRIT" and also "We either embrace the TRUTH or we decieve ourselves" is meaningless; there is no such word as "decieve". Why are you so lazy??? You won't even take the time to communicate what you believe are God's truths in reasonably-correct English? (or maybe you can't!) Don't you think that it's appropriate to discuss the things of God in a reasonably literate style? Are you that lazy that you won't honor God by communicating accurately?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Lets watch and see what you say about what i write next . lets see IF you make an excuse for it .
When the POPE himself as RECORDED on camera , blew incense before the koran , the budda statue
and etc . YOU DO REALIZE that was WICKED AS CAN BE .
Now everyone lets watch what he says about this . IF he lies i bring the very video
that the very vatican itself has on its WEB SITE . YOU GONNA MAKE EXCUSE FOR THIS TOO .
IT is an abomination what that pope does . He is the worst of the worst in these modern days .
BUT what says YOU . now everyone i will happily bring a video
showing where HE also states as does the vatican that muslims and us all worship the same GOD .
IN fact francis takes it a step farther and says all religions do in their own way .
What SAYS YOU . as for me , I POINT TO CHRIST ALONE , YE MUST BELIEVE and all other paths and religoins are FALSE
and are seen as an abomination to GOD . IF you like i can also show you WHY GOD destroyed many of his own
people for doing the very things the RCC and Protestant realm are doing today .

Can you show me the video of the Pope blessing the Koran or a Buddha statue with incense?

I see a LOT of bogus claims on this board that turn out to be false - so I would have to see if first.

Finally - even if this turns out to be true - HOW does this prove that the Catholic Church "contradicts" Scripture? Not every action of the Pope represents the Church. He IS capable of personal sin that has nothing to do with the Church.

 

[amigo de christo]

My problem is with your English! You are so careless and/or lazy that you don't even take the time to write reasonably correct English! CARELESS AND/OR LAZY!!!

Some of your message is correct and some is not. Here is one area that proves both points: "IF i supported your liberal progressive social all inclusive gosple . YOU BEEN PRAISING MY EVERY WORD ." I have no idea what you mean when you write "liberal progressive social all inclusive gosple" [sic]. a) There is no word "gosple". or b) God loves the world, so He agrees with the liberal, progressive, all-inclusive gospel, even though you do not.

John 3:16-17, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him." How can you not agree with this and claim to be a Christian??? God did not send his son into the world to condemn the world, yet that is all that you do!!! You are blind to your perpetually-condemning, judgmental self-righteousness!!!

There were no such people as "apostels", as you wrote " The apostels also wrote TRUTH inspired by the SPIRIT" and also "We either embrace the TRUTH or we decieve ourselves" is meaningless; there is no such word as "decieve". Why are you so lazy??? You won't even take the time to communicate what you believe are God's truths in reasonably-correct English? (or maybe you can't!) Don't you think that it's appropriate to discuss the things of God in a reasonably literate style? Are you that lazy that you won't honor God by communicating accurately?

God agrees with no such lies as the progressive lies . Progressivism is false jim and they dont preach NO GOSPEL .
they preach only a social concept by which all religions will unite as one
and CHRIST KICKED to the CURB and replaced with a false love .
its nothing more than the tower of babel . man and men creating their own tower , own path , own way to GOD .
And it aint gonna stand on the DAY OF THE LORD .
It will all come tumbling down to the ground . GROUND to POWDER by the very cornerstone , CHRIST JESUS , who
they tried to remove through a false love which says all paths are fine so long as ye come together , hug one another
do some good . ITS A LIE JIM . JESUS cannot be omitted . But they preach there is NO NEED to BELIEVE ON HIM .
You might wanna check out what your ol gal oprhay been teaching . SHE AINT alone , the popes and others do that work too .

 

[amigo de christo]

Can you show me the video of the Pope blessing the Koran or a Buddha statue with incense?

I see a LOT of bogus claims on this board that turn out to be false - so I would have to see if first.

Finally - even if this turns out to be true - HOW does this prove that the Catholic Church "contradicts" Scripture? Not every action of the Pope represents the Church. He IS capable of personal sin that has nothing to do with the Church.

Sure . but dont try and make excuse for it like you do with the statues of mary and others .

 

[BreadOfLife]

What a joke . we dont follow luther .
You just lump all into one camp . Lets see if this works on you .
I am gonna do this same thing as an example . THE MUSLIMS are ALL EXREMIST who do jihad .
IS that TRUE . NOPE
STOP lumping folks into what you think is truth . WE dont follow luther . I have exposed some of what luther himself did teach .
WE sure dont follow calvin either . The lambs follow CHRIST . and we sure dont follow the RCC either .
You bought a lie my friend . now you just try and lump everyone into one camp . SORRY pard it dont work .

Can you name a Protestant sect that DOESN'T believe the THREE things listed?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Sure . but dont try and make excuse for it like you do with the statues of mary and others .

Sooooo, where is it?

And I 've NEVER made an excuse for statues of Mary . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

Can you name a Protestant sect that DOESN'T believe the THREE things listed?

If even a brock clock like the popes and vatican can list some things that are right
marvel not if even calvin or luther might have said some right things . As i said
dont follow men my friend , FOLLOW CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Sooooo, where is it?

And I 've NEVER made an excuse for statues of Mary . . .

there is another video showing where , I THINK it was john paul , also pope francis
blowing incense unto the images of other religoins too . That one might be harder to find
but i will try and at least find it for you .
DO NOT make excuse for this man . RATHER at the very least correct it . but dont make excuse for it .

 

[Jim B]

Yeah jim , the only problem is i was quoating JESUS CHRIST who told them that .
Your muslims who you claim follow the same GOD is a lie from hell .
THe muslims , atheiest , buddist , whaterverist cannot SAVE THEMSELVES JIM .
The only way to be saved , BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST JESUS .
The buddist do not recognize JESUS as THE CHRIST
nor do the muslims
nor the hindus
And you gotta know the atheist dont .
DO YOU REALIZE what SPIRIT that is of ............
OF ANTI CHRIST . try reading the bible for a change and not through the lens of the twisted social gospel either .
GOD has chosen HOW to save the WORLD jim . and it werent through faith in us , faith in budda faith in hinudism, its only
BY FAITH IN CHRIST JIM . You make void the LOVE OF GOD
by lying and saying muslims serve the same GOD WE DO .
HEY JIM , newsflash . JESUS TOLD the JEWS who even cliamed to serve GOD
they DID NOT KNOW GOD , cause they did not BELIEVE ON CHRIST JIM .
IF he dont give the jews a pass , HE WONT GIVE ANYONE ELSE A PASS EITHER JIM .
Your social gospel all inclusive lie is a lie that will unify many , but under the dragon , NOT CHRIST , not GOD .

You have never "quoated" anyone, since there is no such English word!

And Muslims (and Jews) do follow the same God. If you disagree, then you are simply wrong or ignorant.

And there are no such people as "buddist" or "atheiest" people.

Try reading the bible -- a good, modern translation -- for a change and not through the lens of your personal twisted gospel either. Maybe you will begin to understand God's truth -- but I doubt it! You are so blinded by your self-righteous condemnation of those whom God loves that you have no understanding of the basics of the gospel (which means "good news"). The word "gospel" is derived from the Anglo-Saxon term god-spell, meaning “good story,” a rendering of the Latin evangelium and the Greek euangelion, meaning “good news” or “good telling.” It doesn't mean the hatred, judgement, condemnation, etc. that you so continually write!!! You make void the LOVE OF GOD!!!

You are correct in one point: the only way to be saved is to believe in Jesus Christ. But your hate-filled "gospel" is a lie that will turn away many from the truth in Christ!!!

 

[Jim B]

God agrees with no such lies as the progressive lies . Progressivism is false jim and they dont preach NO GOSPEL .
they preach only a social concept by which all religions will unite as one
and CHRIST KICKED to the CURB and replaced with a false love .
its nothing more than the tower of babel . man and men creating their own tower , own path , own way to GOD .
And it aint gonna stand on the DAY OF THE LORD .
It will all come tumbling down to the ground . GROUND to POWDER by the very cornerstone , CHRIST JESUS , who
they tried to remove through a false love which says all paths are fine so long as ye come together , hug one another
do some good . ITS A LIE JIM . JESUS cannot be omitted . But they preach there is NO NEED to BELIEVE ON HIM .
You might wanna check out what your ol gal oprhay been teaching . SHE AINT alone , the popes and others do that work too .

We agree! Progressives don't preach NO GOSPEL. Even though it's a double negative, what you wrote is true! Progressives preach the Gospel -- the truth of God!

I won't reply to the rest of your usual rant, since I'm still stunned that you actually got things right for once!

 

[amigo de christo]

You have never "quoated" anyone, since there is no such English word!

And Muslims (and Jews) do follow the same God. If you disagree, then you are simply wrong or ignorant.

And there are no such people as "buddist" or "atheiest" people.

Try reading the bible -- a good, modern translation -- for a change and not through the lens of your personal twisted gospel either. Maybe you will begin to understand God's truth -- but I doubt it! You are so blinded by your self-righteous condemnation of those whom God loves that you have no understanding of the basics of the gospel (which means "good news"). The word "gospel" is derived from the Anglo-Saxon term god-spell, meaning “good story,” a rendering of the Latin evangelium and the Greek euangelion, meaning “good news” or “good telling.” It doesn't mean the hatred, judgement, condemnation, etc. that you so continually write!!! You make void the LOVE OF GOD!!!

You are correct in one point: the only way to be saved is to believe in Jesus Christ. But your hate-filled "gospel" is a lie that will turn away many from the truth in Christ!!!

The muslims and jews do not follow the same GOD . now it is true that the unbelieving jew , unbelieving in CHRIST ,
does not follow GOD either . Sure they may worship him in ignorance . But till they repent and come to saving
Faith in Christ , they are as paul himself , who was a jew once said about his old man .
THEY FOLLOWED satan , darkness , as we all have JIM .
Read what JESUS told paul in chapter twenty six of acts .
The gospel of Christ . To deliver them from satan and the powers of darkness .
YEAH JIM . Now JESUS freed me from satan and his power too .
I used to worship satan . SURE i would never say it by mouth , by my rebellion to CHRIST proved I DID .
The jews and muslims DO NOT worship the same GOD peroid . And the muslims DO NOT WORSHIP GOD at all .
The flesh profits nothing jim . EVEN if my lineage came from abraham , It profits nothing lest i BELIEVE IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
The muslim religion , invented by a false socerer who bed his own nine year old wife , came from the devil jim .
And sure the devil lied to him and told him all muslims were the descendants of abraham through ishamel .
YOU do realize that the muslim IS NOT AN RACE JIM. It consists of all sorts of people
like blacks , chinese , americans , europeans , asians and etc .
Not to mention even if all of a sudden they were counted for the seed of ishmael . HOW ON EARTH can that save them JIM .
Ishamel was not the child of promise . ISSAC WAS . IN CHRIST alone jim .
The jews according the flesh did proceed from abraham . Though that could not save them either .
THEY had to BELIEVE ON HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .
But again according to the flesh they came of the twelve tribes JIM . Ishameal was not counted in
even amongst the twelve . ALLL have to come to FAITH IN CHRIST JIM . the flesh profits ZERO , ZILCH .

 

[Jim B]

Can you name a Protestant sect that DOESN'T believe the THREE things listed?

He can't even write decent English, so don't expect anything approaching correct doctrine from him. He is consumed with hatred and judgement of others, thereby disobeying God's clear instruction to 'love your neighbor as yourself".