How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Waiting on him]

@Waiting on him you ask questions randomly and don't seem to read what is posted, hence your out of context remarks and quotations.
Personally, you need to reread the Scriptures to find out how you came to the conclusion that Messiah was a mere "thought" in the mind of YHVH-hence a "created being"

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Shalom
J.

It’s a sincere question?

 

[Waiting on him]

Did Jesus give the order too kill women and children?

 

[Waiting on him]

Anyone?

 

[Lizbeth]

Are you saying that God just puts up with my sin if I’m in covenant with Him so I won’t step outside the marriage?

Are you making fun of the marriage analogy? I don't know what you mean by the last part of your question, but there is such a thing as grace. It's called overlooking someone's faults. Like where it says to bear with one another in love. God does bear with us in love. Much more than most people are even aware. But we are not to take that for granted...rather work out our salvation with fear and trembling.

 

[Johann]

Amen. And the twelve apostles will judge the twelve tribes of Israel...makes sense that this is referring to the ekklesia rather than Israel after the flesh. I am not entirely sure but wonder if the twelve tribes might refer to the different gifts and callings within the body of Christ, or it could refer to where the church is scattered geographically over the world.

I would say the ekklesia-

What about the twelve tribes of Israel which the apostles were to judge? Today “the Israel of God“refers to those people who are new creations in the Christ (Galatians 6:15,16). That includes both Jews and Gentiles alike (Galatians 3:26-28). Christians are now “the people of God” (1 Peter 2:9,10). So, Jesus’ words about “the twelve tribes of Israel” was a symbolic reference to the people of God, the Lord’s church, just as He Himself now reigns over the spiritual “house of Jacob” (Luke 1:31-33).

Jesus’ statement about the apostles sitting on thrones and judging points to the authority which He would grant them. Jesus had earlier told the twelve, “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven” (Matthew 18:18). Jesus has all authority (Matthew 28:18), and He has delegated authority to His apostles, whose God- given word guides the church. The early saints continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine (Acts 2:42). What teaching was that? It was the truth which the Holy Spirit revealed to them (John 16:13). So, the apostles are said to “judge” in the sense that their message of truth is authoritative – whenever they declare that something is acceptable or unacceptable, required or unnecessary, that is “the way it is.”

The church submits to Jesus (Ephesians 5:24) by submitting to His apostolic ambassadors. Those who refused to submit to the truth which was revealed via the apostles were in rebellion to the Lord Himself, for their message is described as “the commandments of the Lord” (1 Corinthians 14:37).

Our allegiance is to Jesus, the Lord of lords. In our commitment to Him, let us acknowledge the role and authority of His apostles.

— Roger D. Campbell

Hope this is helpful.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What do you say, did Jesus tell Joshua to kill women and children.

In the last days. Will God kill women and children when he pours out his wrath on the earth?

 

[Johann]

It’s a sincere question?

I made a statement.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Are you saying that God just puts up with my sin if I’m in covenant with Him so I won’t step outside the marriage?

Do you think God knows what you will do before you do it?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Orrrrrrr,,,,,, could be actually addressed to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the first century?

Yes, it was a letter to them

But it does not mean when he wrote does not apply to us also.

 

[Waiting on him]

I made a statement.

I believe you deflected for fear of speaking truth.

 

[Waiting on him]

In the last days. Will God kill women and children when he pours out his wrath on the earth?

Not my God.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Did Jesus give the order too kill women and children?

deut 3: 3 “Then we turned and went up the road to Bashan; and Og king of Bashan came out against us, he and all his people, to battle at Edrei. 2 And the Lord said to me, ‘Do not fear him, for I have delivered him and all his people and his land into your hand; you shall do to him as you did to Sihon king of the Amorites, who dwelt at Heshbon.’

Josh 6: 15 But it came to pass on the seventh day that they rose early, about the dawning of the day, and marched around the city seven times in the same manner. On that day only they marched around the city seven times. 16 And the seventh time it happened, when the priests blew the trumpets, that Joshua said to the people: “Shout, for the Lord has given you the city! 17 Now the city shall be doomed by the Lord to destruction, it and all who are in it. Only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all who are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And you, by all means abstain from the accursed things, lest you become accursed when you take of the accursed things, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver and gold, and vessels of bronze and iron, are [b]consecrated to the Lord; they [c]shall come into the treasury of the Lord.”


20 So the people shouted when the priests blew the trumpets. And it happened when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat. Then the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, ox and sheep and donkey, with the edge of the sword.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Not my God.

Sadly I believe you

I see your god is not a God of justice..

The God of the universe is a God of Justice. He is also a God of love.. His justice and love work in unity But his love will never overule his justice.. His wrath will be poured out on the earth as he promised..

 

[Waiting on him]

All those innocent children of 70 ad. How it must have grieved Him. All due to their continual bending over backwards.


Makes me weep as well.

 

[Waiting on him]

Sadly I believe you

I see your god is not a God of justice..

The God of the universe is a God of Justice. He is also a God of love.. His justice and love work in unity But his love will never overule his justice.. His wrath will be poured out on the earth as he promised..

Noted.

 

[Johann]

Not my God.

To be honest-I don't yada your elohim-
Psa_78:31 The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.

Joh_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Rom_1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Eph_5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Col_3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev_14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Rev_15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev_15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Rev_16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

You seem to be very selective in your scripture quotations.

Deuteronomy 32:39

‘See now that I, I am He,
And there is no god besides Me;
It is I who put to death and give life.
I have wounded and it is I who heal,
And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

1 Samuel 2:6

“The Lord kills and makes alive;
He brings down to Sheol and raises up.

2 Kings 5:7

When the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his clothes and said, “Am I God, to kill and to make alive, that this man is sending word to me to cure a man of his leprosy? But consider now, and see how he is seeking a quarrel against me.”

Isaiah 66:16

For the Lord will execute judgment by fire
And by His sword on all flesh,
And those slain by the Lord will be many.

Exodus 22:24

and My anger will be kindled, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives shall become widows and your children fatherless.

Psalm 90:5

You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep;
In the morning they are like grass which sprouts anew.

Job 9:22

“It is all one; therefore I say,
‘He destroys the guiltless and the wicked.’

Ezekiel 21:4

Because I will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked, therefore My sword will go forth from its sheath against all flesh from south to north.

Genesis 18:23

Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked?

Genesis 18:25

Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”

Matthew 10:28

Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 12:5

But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

Jeremiah 25:31

‘A clamor has come to the end of the earth,
Because the Lord has a controversy with the nations.
He is entering into judgment with all flesh;
As for the wicked, He has given them to the sword,’ declares the Lord.”

Psalm 68:21

Surely God will shatter the head of His enemies,
The hairy crown of him who goes on in his guilty deeds.

Luke 19:27

But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”

Psalm 139:19

O that You would slay the wicked, O God;
Depart from me, therefore, men of bloodshed.

Isaiah 11:4

But with righteousness He will judge the poor,
And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth;
And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He will slay the wicked.

Proverbs 19:16

He who keeps the commandment keeps his soul,
But he who is careless of conduct will die.

Jeremiah 25:33

“Those slain by the Lord on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.

Matthew 22:7

But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire.

Leviticus 23:30

As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people.

Jeremiah 27:13

Why will you die, you and your people, by the sword, famine and pestilence, as the Lord has spoken to that nation which will not serve the king of Babylon?

Isaiah 65:15

“You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones,
And the Lord God will slay you.
But My servants will be called by another name.

Job 13:15

“Though He slay me,
I will hope in Him.
Nevertheless I will argue my ways before Him

 

[Waiting on him]

To be honest-I don't yada your elohim-
Psa_78:31 The wrath of God came upon them, and slew the fattest of them, and smote down the chosen men of Israel.

Joh_3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Rom_1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

Eph_5:6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.

Col_3:6 For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:

Rev_14:10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

Rev_14:19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Rev_15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev_15:7 And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever.

Rev_16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

You seem to be very selective in your scripture quotations.

Deuteronomy 32:39

‘See now that I, I am He,
And there is no god besides Me;
It is I who put to death and give life.
I have wounded and it is I who heal,
And there is no one who can deliver from My hand.

1 Samuel 2:6

“The Lord kills and makes alive;
He brings down to Sheol and raises up.

2 Kings 5:7

When the king of Israel read the letter, he tore his clothes and said, “Am I God, to kill and to make alive, that this man is sending word to me to cure a man of his leprosy? But consider now, and see how he is seeking a quarrel against me.”

Isaiah 66:16

For the Lord will execute judgment by fire
And by His sword on all flesh,
And those slain by the Lord will be many.

Exodus 22:24

and My anger will be kindled, and I will kill you with the sword, and your wives shall become widows and your children fatherless.

Psalm 90:5

You have swept them away like a flood, they fall asleep;
In the morning they are like grass which sprouts anew.

Job 9:22

“It is all one; therefore I say,
‘He destroys the guiltless and the wicked.’

Ezekiel 21:4

Because I will cut off from you the righteous and the wicked, therefore My sword will go forth from its sheath against all flesh from south to north.

Genesis 18:23

Abraham came near and said, “Will You indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked?

Genesis 18:25

Far be it from You to do such a thing, to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous and the wicked are treated alike. Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth deal justly?”

Matthew 10:28

Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Luke 12:5

But I will warn you whom to fear: fear the One who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into hell; yes, I tell you, fear Him!

Jeremiah 25:31

‘A clamor has come to the end of the earth,
Because the Lord has a controversy with the nations.
He is entering into judgment with all flesh;
As for the wicked, He has given them to the sword,’ declares the Lord.”

Psalm 68:21

Surely God will shatter the head of His enemies,
The hairy crown of him who goes on in his guilty deeds.

Luke 19:27

But these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slay them in my presence.”

Psalm 139:19

O that You would slay the wicked, O God;
Depart from me, therefore, men of bloodshed.

Isaiah 11:4

But with righteousness He will judge the poor,
And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth;
And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,
And with the breath of His lips He will slay the wicked.

Proverbs 19:16

He who keeps the commandment keeps his soul,
But he who is careless of conduct will die.

Jeremiah 25:33

“Those slain by the Lord on that day will be from one end of the earth to the other. They will not be lamented, gathered or buried; they will be like dung on the face of the ground.

Matthew 22:7

But the king was enraged, and he sent his armies and destroyed those murderers and set their city on fire.

Leviticus 23:30

As for any person who does any work on this same day, that person I will destroy from among his people.

Jeremiah 27:13

Why will you die, you and your people, by the sword, famine and pestilence, as the Lord has spoken to that nation which will not serve the king of Babylon?

Isaiah 65:15

“You will leave your name for a curse to My chosen ones,
And the Lord God will slay you.
But My servants will be called by another name.

Job 13:15

“Though He slay me,
I will hope in Him.
Nevertheless I will argue my ways before Him

I’ll take this as a yes Jesus gave the order.

 

[Waiting on him]

Rev_15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

I wonder if these angels where the same angels John wrote epistles too in the first three chapters.

 

[ChristisGod]

It’s a sincere question?

Do you believe in the worldwide flood in the days of Noah where all mankind was wiped out with the exception of Noah and his family ?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

how do you know that you’ve not just found a good coping mechanism?

Understand you asked this to another member. Considering how we jump in on others post, and that you have asked me this before too. How I know it isn’t just a coping mechanism is because I have never heard from counselors, doctors, physiologists, scientists, self help groups, friends, or from you my husband..no where have I heard mankind explained so well and genuinely. Yes all may get some points but what makes it more than a coping mechanism is how God understands us better than we understand ourselves. How He understands you better than me your wife. How He understands me better the you my husband. How He understands our children and grandchildren far greater than we understand them. Being the only One that can see what isn’t always seen and addresses that.

For example how when Jesus walked doing only what the Father does, saying only what the Father told Him to say. “The words I speak, they are Spirit, they are Life.” Unlike any physician He understood the hearts. he understood the damage and the “how did I get here?” He understood what was in their hearts better than they did. To me that makes it more than coping. Others may diagnose our heart, our body, our mind… and give a pill for depression. Definitely a coping mechanism, which doesn’t help much. Doesn’t He give more than an antidepressant to cope?

Most Christian’s I speak to believe they were created in the image of God woven of Him in their mommy’s womb. Fearfully and wonderfully made.

guilty. I used to tell Cardell to remember he is fearfully and wonderfully made. I do see your point of…not in your mothers belly but in the Womb of New Jerusalem which is free and above. When I told him this I did mean when he was born of flesh and not of the Spirit. But I know God loves him. As God loves his mother.

The land;

This is what God has shared with me concerning the land. You see Abraham lived in the land where Israel stands today.

The land God was referring too was the heart of man, where God wished too dwell.

This began with Jesus.

Agree, double agree…the heart is the promised Land. How the Heart of Christ, The Mind of Christ could ever been seen as lesser an inheritance than a plot of dirt …I do not know. For it is when the heart returns to God, turns to Him, the mind, the heart, the body…this is the Land He desires to dwell in. I will make it New. No more stone, thorns, and by the wayside where the seed is stolen (taken away, captured) by thieves, gobbled up by the devil, or doesn’t grow because it can’t enter in…But good ground to receive Him, the seed. How it is said to be disconnected from the Heart and is about a piece of dirt…when His is the seed given not to go into dirt but planted in the Heart…what is shown in buried and raised unto Life. Dirt? A plot of dirt?