How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

The parable of the soils. It’s where the seed was cast.

God promised Abraham and his descendants a plot of land in the middle east as an everlasting gift..

It has nothing to do with the parable of the seeds. the parable of the seeds explains the 4 responses to Gods message. that is all

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you see this as being a literal land promise then okay.

It is a literal promise. Can you explain why God would make a promise he never intended to keep?

 

[Waiting on him]

Correct.

God gave them the land. But not until Israel went into it after they wandered the wilderness for 40 years.

Yeah I read about that, allegedly Jesus told them to go in and kill all the women and children.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yeah I read about that, allegedly Jesus told them to go in and kill all the women and children.

And all the animals.

Which they failed to do. and because they did not do what God commanded. their has never been peace int he middle east.. to this day

 

[Waiting on him]

It is a literal promise. Can you explain why God would make a promise he never intended to keep?

Maybe it’d be easier if you explain to me how it was Paul said they were the ones who received the promise, yet they were kicked out?

 

[Waiting on him]

And all the animals.

Which they failed to do. and because they did not do what God commanded. their has never been peace int he middle east.. to this day

After all the testimony of Jesus in the gospels. Do you really believe this to be the testimony of truth?

 

[Johann]

Twelve tribes of the Israel of God, the city that is above.......which includes Gentiles.

RECIPIENTS

The reference to "the twelve tribes that are scattered over the world" (James 1:1) is our major hint. Also, the inclusion of the letter in the "catholic epistles" (i.e., letters addressed to several churches) reflects its encyclical nature. Obviously one church is not as prominent as a specific though scattered group of individuals and these seem to be Jewish Christians outside of Palestine.

Although James has a Jewish flavor, it is addressed to a Christian audience. This is confirmed by
the use of the term "brother" (cf. James 1:2,16,19; 2:1,5,14; 3:1,10,12; 4:11; 5:7,9,10,12,19)
the use of the term "Lord" (cf. James 1:1,7,12; 2:1; 4:10,15; 5:4,7,8,10,11,14,15)
the specific mention of faith in Christ (cf. James 2:1)
the expectation of Jesus' return (cf. James 5:8).

There are three possible interpretations of the phrase in James 1:1.
Jews—This seems improbable because of the recurrent use of "brethren," the lack of the major gospel truths about Jesus, as well as the specific mentioning of faith in Christ in James 2:1. Also, after the Babylonian Exile, many of the original twelve tribes never returned. The same metaphor is used symbolically of believers in Rev. 7:4-8.
Christian Jews—This seems to be the most likely because of the Jewish flavor of the book and the leadership position of James in the Jerusalem church.
The church as spiritual Israel—This is possible because of the use of "diaspora" in 1 Pet. 1:1 and Paul's allusion to the church (believing Jews and Gentiles ) as spiritual Israel (cf. Rom. 2:28-29; 4:16-25; Gal. 3:7,29; 6:16; 1 Pet. 2:5,9).

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Gal 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
Gal 6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. To the Galatians written from Rome.

Israel of God. The antithesis of Israel after the flesh (1Co_10:18). Compare Rom_9:6. Php_1:3, Php_1:3.

1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

 

[Waiting on him]

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

So are there gentiles in Jerusalem above?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

After all the testimony of Jesus in the gospels. Do you really believe this to be the testimony of truth?

Yes,

Because Jesus told Abraham,l the sin of the amorite is not yet complete. When their sin was complete. there was nothing anyone could do to change their minds. they were so hard hearted they would never repent and be saved.

Thats Showed Gods grace. he waiting until their was not chance before he sent his people in to claim the land that he gave them.

The gospels is about Salvation and God bringing salvation to mankind.

The land was about Gods promise to a man he called righteous because of his faith.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

So are there gentiles in Jerusalem above?

there are no races or gender in heaven.

Will there be people who were gentiles on earth in the new jerusalem. Of course..

 

[Waiting on him]

RECIPIENTS

The reference to "the twelve tribes that are scattered over the world" (James 1:1) is our major hint. Also, the inclusion of the letter in the "catholic epistles" (i.e., letters addressed to several churches) reflects its encyclical nature. Obviously one church is not as prominent as a specific though scattered group of individuals and these seem to be Jewish Christians outside of Palestine.

Although James has a Jewish flavor, it is addressed to a Christian audience. This is confirmed by
the use of the term "brother" (cf. James 1:2,16,19; 2:1,5,14; 3:1,10,12; 4:11; 5:7,9,10,12,19)
the use of the term "Lord" (cf. James 1:1,7,12; 2:1; 4:10,15; 5:4,7,8,10,11,14,15)
the specific mention of faith in Christ (cf. James 2:1)
the expectation of Jesus' return (cf. James 5:8).

There are three possible interpretations of the phrase in James 1:1.
Jews—This seems improbable because of the recurrent use of "brethren," the lack of the major gospel truths about Jesus, as well as the specific mentioning of faith in Christ in James 2:1. Also, after the Babylonian Exile, many of the original twelve tribes never returned. The same metaphor is used symbolically of believers in Rev. 7:4-8.
Christian Jews—This seems to be the most likely because of the Jewish flavor of the book and the leadership position of James in the Jerusalem church.
The church as spiritual Israel—This is possible because of the use of "diaspora" in 1 Pet. 1:1 and Paul's allusion to the church (believing Jews and Gentiles ) as spiritual Israel (cf. Rom. 2:28-29; 4:16-25; Gal. 3:7,29; 6:16; 1 Pet. 2:5,9).

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Gal 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
Gal 6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. To the Galatians written from Rome.

Israel of God. The antithesis of Israel after the flesh (1Co_10:18). Compare Rom_9:6. Php_1:3, Php_1:3.

1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

What do you say, did Jesus tell Joshua to kill women and children.

 

[Lizbeth]

So does this mean when you sin you are again separated?

Not necessarily...because of being in covenant with the Father through Jesus. Three-fold cord is not easily broken. There is a difference between willfully sinning and inadvertently sinning. If one keeps on willfully sinning after receiving a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sins. But however one sins, if we are aware of anything, we need to repent in order to either repair what has become frayed or restore our relationship with the Lord if it has been broken.

It's like a marriage relationship....you are in covenant, so spouses learn to put up with each other's minor faults, which most people often aren't even aware they have...they are inadvertent. Bigger issues need to be addressed though because they can damage the relationship and could lead to separation. And things like adultery will result in a rift for sure.

 

[Waiting on him]

Not necessarily...because of being in covenant with the Father through Jesus. Three-fold cord is not easily broken. There is a difference between willfully sinning and inadvertently sinning. If one keeps on willfully sinning after receiving a knowledge of the truth there remains no more sacrifice for sins. But however one sins, if we are aware of anything, we need to repent in order to either repair what has become frayed or restore our relationship with the Lord if it has been broken.

It's like a marriage relationship....you are in covenant, so spouses learn to put up with each other's minor faults, which most people often aren't even aware they have...they are inadvertent. Bigger issues need to be addressed though because they can damage the relationship and could lead to separation. And things like adultery will result in a rift for sure.

It seems your saying our relationship with God is founded in our performance?

 

[Lizbeth]

RECIPIENTS

The reference to "the twelve tribes that are scattered over the world" (James 1:1) is our major hint. Also, the inclusion of the letter in the "catholic epistles" (i.e., letters addressed to several churches) reflects its encyclical nature. Obviously one church is not as prominent as a specific though scattered group of individuals and these seem to be Jewish Christians outside of Palestine.

Although James has a Jewish flavor, it is addressed to a Christian audience. This is confirmed by
the use of the term "brother" (cf. James 1:2,16,19; 2:1,5,14; 3:1,10,12; 4:11; 5:7,9,10,12,19)
the use of the term "Lord" (cf. James 1:1,7,12; 2:1; 4:10,15; 5:4,7,8,10,11,14,15)
the specific mention of faith in Christ (cf. James 2:1)
the expectation of Jesus' return (cf. James 5:8).

There are three possible interpretations of the phrase in James 1:1.
Jews—This seems improbable because of the recurrent use of "brethren," the lack of the major gospel truths about Jesus, as well as the specific mentioning of faith in Christ in James 2:1. Also, after the Babylonian Exile, many of the original twelve tribes never returned. The same metaphor is used symbolically of believers in Rev. 7:4-8.
Christian Jews—This seems to be the most likely because of the Jewish flavor of the book and the leadership position of James in the Jerusalem church.
The church as spiritual Israel—This is possible because of the use of "diaspora" in 1 Pet. 1:1 and Paul's allusion to the church (believing Jews and Gentiles ) as spiritual Israel (cf. Rom. 2:28-29; 4:16-25; Gal. 3:7,29; 6:16; 1 Pet. 2:5,9).

Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Rom 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Rom 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.
Rom 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb:
Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform.
Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
Rom 4:23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
Rom 4:24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
Rom 4:25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.

Gal 3:6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
Gal 3:7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
Gal 3:9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Gal 6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
Gal 6:17 From henceforth let no man trouble me: for I bear in my body the marks of the Lord Jesus.
Gal 6:18 Brethren, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit. Amen. To the Galatians written from Rome.

Israel of God. The antithesis of Israel after the flesh (1Co_10:18). Compare Rom_9:6. Php_1:3, Php_1:3.

1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
1Pe 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,
1Pe 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
1Pe 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
1Pe 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
1Pe 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

Amen. And the twelve apostles will judge the twelve tribes of Israel...makes sense that this is referring to the ekklesia rather than Israel after the flesh. I am not entirely sure but wonder if the twelve tribes might refer to the different gifts and callings within the body of Christ, or it could refer to where the church is scattered geographically over the world.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, and this is the turning point!

He is the Creator.

Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Romans 11:33-36
Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways! 34 For who has known the mind of the Lord, or who became His counselor? 35 Or who has first given to Him that it might be paid back to him again? 36 For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever. Amen.


Acts 17:24-25
He is the God who made the world and everything in it. Since He is Lord of heaven and earth, He does not live in man-made temples,
and human hands can not serve His needs--for He has no needs. He Himself gives life and breath to everything, and He satisfies every need there is.

Acts 17:26-27
From one Man He created all the nations throughout the whole earth. He decided beforehand which should rise and fall, and He determined their boundaries. His purpose in all of this was that the nations should seek after God and perhaps feel their way toward Him and find Him--though He is not far from any one of us.

1 Corinthians 8:6
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

Colossians 1:16-17
For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Hebrews 1:2
but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe.

Hebrews 1:10
He also says,

"In the beginning, O Lord, you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Waiting on him]

It's like a marriage relationship....you are in covenant, so spouses learn to put up with each other's minor faults, which most people often aren't even aware they have...they are inadvertent. Bigger issues need to be addressed though because they can damage the relationship and could lead to separation. And things like adultery will result in a rift for sure.

Are you saying that God just puts up with my sin if I’m in covenant with Him so I won’t step outside the marriage?

 

[Lizbeth]

It seems your saying our relationship with God is founded in our performance?

No it is not founded on our performance, but our "performance" can "affect" the relationship. Our relationship with the Lord is a living, "organic" relationship, and He is a Person, not a mere concept. It is possible to grieve or offend the Holy Spirit. And also it is possible that we might defile our conscience which can cause a rift on our side.

 

[Waiting on him]

Amen. And the twelve apostles will judge the twelve tribes of Israel...makes sense that this is referring to the ekklesia rather than Israel after the flesh. I am not entirely sure but wonder if the twelve tribes might refer to the different gifts and callings within the body of Christ, or it could refer to where the church is scattered geographically over the world.

Orrrrrrr,,,,,, could be actually addressed to the twelve tribes scattered abroad in the first century?

 

[Waiting on him]

No it is not founded on our performance, but our "performance" can "affect" the relationship. Our relationship with the Lord is a living, "organic" relationship, and He is a Person, not a mere concept. It is possible to grieve or offend the Holy Spirit. And also it is possible that we might defile our conscience which can cause a rift on our side.

Gods a person. I’ll write that down somewhere

 

[Johann]

What do you say, did Jesus tell Joshua to kill women and children.

@Waiting on him you ask questions randomly and don't seem to read what is posted, hence your out of context remarks and quotations.
Personally, you need to reread the Scriptures to find out how you came to the conclusion that Messiah was a mere "thought" in the mind of YHVH-hence a "created being"

1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.

Shalom
J.