How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

I’m getting off here. My heart hurts. I’ve tried to share with you. I’ve tried to share with you application of Faith in Christ in my life. Not some empty words but even in my marriage. I won’t to cry why doesn’t my husband see Christ in me. Maybe I am being selfish, maybe I assumed Christ in me would make me worthy of love with the people around me. But to me that seems the to be the message that God is for healing. What I read in the Word is a hope of things destroyed and torn apart becoming better in Christ. Whatever that looks like…it has to be better than what this world offers. To me looking up and waiting for Him who delivers is …waiting for the Revelation of Hesu Christ to be revealed. Maybe I am religious and sanctimonious but wanting…no needing a family around me…needing others to bond with…I think Christ wants and desires the same good things for me. Because He loves me. When no other loves me, He loves me. To me this is inheriting the promises of Christ formed in others that the god of this world does not want to let go from captivity to Christ. To me that is why “seek Him first” and “all these things will be added unto you”. Great things. All pertaining to the bond of love in Him. I want that. Not the anxiety or depression or not ever being lovable…hidden and separated from others…I seek Christ in me because He is worth it. To me Faith is trusting God has better things for us then we can even imagine. It is HIs being seen in others as well as ourself.

If you have not recieved the gospel. You’re not saved. And christ is not in you.. that goes for any of us. Myself included.

It is the gospel that worries us.. The gospel that Epi teaches is not the gospel which saves, It appears you follow his gospel. Thats why we are fighting for you. We are fighting for your very soul. Because w love you

 

[VictoryinJesus]

If you have not recieved the gospel. You’re not saved. And christ is not in you.. that goes for any of us. Myself included.

It is the gospel that worries us.. The gospel that Epi teaches is not the gospel which saves, It appears you follow his gospel. Thats why we are fighting for you. We are fighting for your very soul. Because w love you

Love doesn’t tear Him down.
Stop trying to persuade me that He does not already love me. Stop trying to persuade me over and over there is something I lack Him. Stop trying to kill and destroy what little faith there is by building yourselves up as having it together. Building yourselves up as the faith and trust ..that I lack but could have if I would just listen to you guys. Back off.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Love doesn’t tear Him down.
Stop trying to persuade me that He does not already love me. Stop trying to persuade me over and over there is something I lack Him. Stop trying to kill and destroy what little faith there is by building yourselves up as having it together. Building yourselves up as the faith and trust ..that I lack but could have if I would just listen to you guys. Back off.

He loves the whole world. He loved them so much he died for them.

I am not trying to tear you down.. I am Trying to help you.

God loves you so much he sent his son for you. He wants to adopt you as his child.. and restor you to him.

I am not building myself up. I tore myself down so I could recieve him, There is nothing in me that is righteous. It is all of Christ.. its not about me..

 

[Johann]

Love doesn’t tear Him down.
Stop trying to persuade me that He does not already love me. Stop trying to persuade me over and over there is something I lack Him. Stop trying to kill and destroy what little faith there is by building yourselves up as having it together. Building yourselves up as the faith and trust ..that I lack but could have if I would just listen to you guys. Back off.

I want to offer you my apologies if I have offended you in any way, shape or form.
I don't have it all together.
Stay strong.
J.

 

[mailmandan]

Christians promote Christ. False teachers exploit Christ in order to promote themselves.

Galatians 6:14 - But God forbid that I should boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

 

[Johann]

Christians promote Christ. False teachers exploit Christ in order to promote themselves.

Power out at 8:00-5:24 PM now.

 

[mailmandan]

Power out at 8:00-5:24 PM now.

Sorry to hear that brother.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

False teachers exploit Christ in order to promote themselves.

Or rather, promote ONCE SAVED ALWAYS SAVED and other heresies.

 

[Johann]

Sorry to hear that brother.

Par for the course-my heart goes out to the elderly folk, anything "elderly" is a liability.
Thank you brother.
J.

 

[mailmandan]

Par for the course-my heart goes out to the elderly folk, anything "elderly" is a liability.
Thank you brother.
J.

You are welcome brother. Will continue to keep you and all those affected in my prayers.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

He loves the whole world. He loved them so much he died for them.

I am not trying to tear you down.. I am Trying to help you.

God loves you so much he sent his son for you. He wants to adopt you as his child.. and restor you to him.

I am not building myself up. I tore myself down so I could recieve him, There is nothing in me that is righteous. It is all of Christ.. its not about me..

What I hear is you all have the gospel in you.
The ones who lack …or you urge to be adopted is epi and me. As carrying a false gospel. Your continued assertion I can be adopted too. I can be saved. I can receive the gospel too…yet denying or refusing the gospel may be already in me, which is Christ in me. Where if they don’t see it or keep asking for endless proof of it, it is because they don’t see it. Why is it hidden in me but revealed, seen, in you guys? This whole thread has been a sounding board for those who have and those who have not. Back and forth. Said Followers of Christ begging each other for what is hidden from those perishing. You seem to suggest I am the one perishing and you are not. Yet say I am not building myself but you? How so? When no amount of defense or testimony will make you stop repeating “you can be adopted too!” As if you know I have not been? Someone said earlier there is no need to appeal for sympathy here. I’m telling there is nothing I can say to persuade you all as it continues …that you won’t be persuaded. Not matter if I post verses, or speak from the heart it is twisted, cut up, dissected for one little weak area and immediately I am right back where I started …preached at that I too can be adopted into Faith in Christ. See, you haven’t heard a word I said about having Faith in Him. But choose to ignore it. Going endlessly on about how much you all are worried I lack what is needful.

 

[Jim B]

No, you have no idea, you read a part of the post, this was not for you, but to @Waiting on him-as a Jew you should be able to read Hebrew or Yiddish, yes?

Are you one of those, reading the Bible only, and relying on the Ruach HaKodesh to illuminate you?
As for secondary sources, I read it and will post it, if you can find fault, say so-correct me, if you can.
I have no idea why you interjecting in my post, to another member-perhaps 17th Century Scholars can assist you, with the "Englyshe?"

"I have no idea why you interjecting in my post, to another member-perhaps 17th Century Scholars can assist you, with the "Englyshe?" You are posting on a forum. If you want to discuss something with one person, PM her/him.

I have long ago forgotten how to read Hebrew.

Yes, I am one of those, reading the Bible only, and relying on the Ruach HaKodesh to illuminate you. Is there another reason to read God's word, e.g., entertainment?

 

[ChristisGod]

He loves the whole world. He loved them so much he died for them.

I am not trying to tear you down.. I am Trying to help you.

God loves you so much he sent his son for you. He wants to adopt you as his child.. and restor you to him.

I am not building myself up. I tore myself down so I could recieve him, There is nothing in me that is righteous. It is all of Christ.. its not about me..

Why would you think she does not believe the gospel and has received Christ as her Lord and Savior from her sins ?

What am I missing ?

 

[CadyandZoe]

why would jesus decide not to intercede for you?

You’re justified by GRACE. God can give you GRACE because of the cross..

But he will not force it on you. He wants you to recieve it. You do that in faith

hence we are justified (Saved) By Grace THROUGH faith

I agree with you. I just didn't know how many people know that the salvation of any particular individual is a choice Jesus makes. If he doesn't want me in his kingdom, then I won't be there.

 

[Johann]

or you urge to be adopted is epi and me.

Straight talk breaks no friendship--do you believe Epi is promulgating the gospel?

 

[CadyandZoe]

They can read his promises and trust in them

Yes of course. I agree.

He gave you eternal life

Not yet, which is why the NT refers to it as a hope. Eternal life is actualized (or realized) when Jesus calls us to meet him in the air.

He said he would never leave nor forsake
He said we are spared
From Gods wrath
He even gave us his spirit as a pledge u til resurrection day
That’s the power that keeps us going. Other than this hope. We really have no faith or hope

The key, in what you just said, is the Spirit as a pledge. Very important and thanks for mentioning it.

 

[mailmandan]

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of our salvation.

Plain and simple.

 

[Johann]

I agree with you. I just didn't know how many people know that the salvation of any particular individual is a choice Jesus makes. If he doesn't want me in his kingdom, then I won't be there.

The doctrine of election?

Joh_6:45, Joh_6:65, Joh_3:3-7; Mat_11:25-27, Mat_16:17; Eph_2:4-10; Php_1:29; Col_2:12; Tit_3:3-5
draw: Joh_12:32; Son_1:4; Jer_31:3; Hos_11:4
Joh_6:27, Joh_6:29, Joh_6:35, Joh_6:37, Joh_6:39, Joh_6:40, Joh_6:44, Joh_6:51, Joh_6:63.

Except the Father draw him (ean mē helkusēi auton). Negative condition of third class with ean mē and first aorist active subjunctive of helkuō, older form helkō, to drag like a net (Joh_21:6), or sword (Joh_18:10), or men (Act_16:19), to draw by moral power (Joh_12:32), as in Jer_31:3. Surō, the other word to drag (Act_8:3; Act_14:19) is not used of Christ’s drawing power. The same point is repeated in Joh_6:65. The approach of the soul to God is initiated by God, the other side of Joh_6:37. See Rom_8:7 for the same doctrine and use of oude dunatai like oudeis dunatai here.
Robertson

draw him. Those thus drawn are defined in Joh_6:37 as "all "those who are given (without exception). In Joh_12:32 the "all" are not thus defined, and denote "all" (without distinction).

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Straight talk breaks no friendship--do you believe Epi is promulgating the gospel?

I believe a gospel that seeks proof in me with never letting up, always urging “not yet adopted” “but could be adopted” “that is what we want, for you to be adopted in” …really is meant to keep others with like-minded theology points in and you out. Where nothing will persuade but it will remain the same no matter what you say or provide…therefore you will always remain as not adopted yet but could be. Do you see the lie in that? Always the adoption in Christ …being a little beyond your reach. Like always chasing after something dangled in your face as wanting to give it unto you…but yanking it away when you come close…saying no not yet…you can be adopted in, I promise I want you to be. You can be too!

Beating your head against a wall giving every persuasive thing you can hold out, crying “can I now come in?” Met with never ending “Not yet, but you can.” …it is lie which keeps the Gospel in others grasps who think they can say when one has reached adoption into Christ, making the gospel with charge, charging others for it…which they yank away keeping out of your reach. “Nope. I can see in what you post. By your doctrine, you don’t know the secret code that lets you in.” “Please let me in..didn’t I tell you I have faith in Christ.” “Nope. You are not adopted yet but could be. You need to have Faith in Him like us. Then we will let you in and stop trying to convert you. You can join. Then we can move on to perfection.” …”will it be soon I can be adopted” … “post something we can approve of and like. Don’t disagree with our doctrines. Then you can come in.”

 

[Johann]

Not yet, which is why the NT refers to it as a hope. Eternal life is actualized (or realized) when Jesus calls us to meet him in the air.

Goes contrary to this--that you may KNOW--Verb - Perfect Subjunctive Active - 2nd Person Plural--this, my friend, is a PRESENT reality and not to await the Parousia. That's if you understand the Morphology, the Perfect Active--

1Jn_5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

That ye may know (hina eidēte). Purpose clause with hina and the second perfect active subjunctive of oida, to know with settled intuitive knowledge. He wishes them to have eternal life in Christ (Joh_20:31) and to know that they have it, but not with flippant superficiality (1Jn_2:3.).
Joh 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Notice the Subjunctive--


That ye may believe (hina pisteuēte). Purpose with hina and the present active subjunctive of pisteuō, “that you may keep on believing.”

The book has had precisely this effect of continuous and successive confirmation of faith in Jesus Christ through the ages.
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God (Iēsous estin ho Christos ho huios tou theou). The man named Jesus is identical with the Messiah (the Anointed One) as opposed to the Cerinthian separation of the Jesus of history and the Christ (aeon) of theology. And the Docetic notion of a phantom body for Jesus with no actual human body is also false. Jesus is the Son of God with all that this high term implies, the Logos of John 1:1-18 (the Prologue). “Very God of very God,” Incarnate Revealer of God. But there is a further purpose.

And that believing ye may have life in his name (kai hina pisteuontes zōēn echēte en tōi onomati autou). Note present participle pisteuontes (continuing to believe) and the present active subjunctive echēte (keep on having). “Life” (zōēn) is eternal life so often mentioned in this Gospel, life to be found only in the name (and power) of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

This verse constitutes a fitting close for this wonderful book and John may at first have intended to stop here. But before he published the work he added the Epilogue (Chapter XXI) which is written in the same style and gives a beautiful picture of the Risen Christ with a sidelight on John and Peter (restored to fellowship).
Robertson.

Later
J.