How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[marks]

The truth always provokes the religious to respond according to their nature. Let's call that...fleshy. I've seen it over and over.

The strategy is...the truth shall set you free. Unless, of course, you hate the truth.

All true, and still it remains, your pattern of fleshy provocations. Your posts speak for themselves. The thread quiets down . . . you stir it up with a series of ad hominems, and then continue in the same manner, stoking the flames.

Then off to the next thread, where you just repeat your pattern.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

All true, and still it remains, your pattern of fleshy provocations. You can self-affirm all you like, however, your posts speak for themselves.

Much love!

They do...and all the vitriol I get for exhorting people to go to God for the full measure of grace reveals what's really going on with people.

This is very basic.

What is being revealed is what indoctrination and religiosity does when the outer man gets puffed up with false assurances.

Imagine that someone who supposedly knows God gets in a hizzy-fit for being exhorted to seek God's face. Only religion does this.

There's no love whatsoever in people that react against the truth. It's easy to see what people are defending. The flesh reacts in defense of itself.

 

[marks]

What is being revealed

Is your emotional neediness. Your posts speak for themselves.

I hope you can grow!

Much love!

 

[Keturah]

That is not what that verse says. It is "If any man's WORKS... big difference.

You are correct @Enoch111 , this is how rejecters of the words written in TRUTH twist & regurgitate their OWN THINKING........misquotes, lacking in comprehension, understanding, knowledge, & wisdom !

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul gave a list of his “man’s works”
Right there in your face.
All his good deeds and “i have more than any reason to glory and boast in the flesh”
You refuse that Paul is a man saying he stood there having suffered the loss of all things, yet saved by the baptism of Christ.
For what Mans works will happen ..there will be loss. This concrete perspective and man-made doctrine held…it will fall.

Good or bad

The good works are Gold silver precious stone

the bad works are wood hay and straw

Paul is saying whoever stands in front of Christ on hat day, If all he left shown for all his works done after he was saved is ashes. He will still be saved, even as through fire..

Good deeds will not be rewarded as wood hey and straw

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Come on @Enoch111. you really do not like it. At all. Because that would change a lot of what you believe about the end. all the man-made doctrines would fail right in front of your eyes. For the gain of the Doctrine Christ spoke of as being His Fathers’ Doctrine…not of men. I can relate because I have been there. Watching it all..what men had told me unravel and fall. It left me feeling like if the lie was gone, what would be left? What you have been told of who is the one that suffers the loss of all things; yet saved by the baptism of Christ.
Who suffers the loss of all things; yet saved by fire? Is it the “having no faith in Him” who suffer the loss of all things yet saved by fire
…or “having Faith in Him?” Suffering the loss of all things; yet Saved by fire (I baptize you with fire)?

Because if it is those who do not have faith that suffer the loss of all things yet saved by fire…then even that throws a pebble in man-made theology…because how is he (or they) saved by fire?

Who suffers loss of all things yet is saved as through fire? A child of God who was adopted as a son, But remained a babe,, because he never matured..

God does not go back on his promise. If he saved you, your saved.. Period..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The argument may become…well that isn’t the fire spoken of here. This fire is different and not the “I will baptize you with fire” Christ spoke of. Then how does it “save” that one “who suffered the loss of all things”?

this is what is called the bema seat judgment, All who are Gods children will have their works tried here

as apposed to the great white throne judgment, where death and hades will be tried, will be found guilty, and will be cast out of Gods presence.. suffering the second death

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I do have one more question for you though
Paul’s suffering the loss of all things—a stock of Benjamin, a Pharisee—loss of those things that he may win Christ? Do you see that loss as also trying to earn salvation through works?

Paul was saved on the road when he met christ.

Everything he did after that was out of appreciation and out of respect for what God did fo0r him. He suffered loss. Not for himself. but for tghe people he was sent as an apostle to so they could find what he found.

Paul did not do those things so he could possibly be saved in the end, He did them because he was saved.

If he did them to be saved, he has something to boast about. for what does the word say Abraham (insert paul here) believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.

to many people want to get right with God by their own righteousness.. They will fail. Just like the pharisee did.. Because the penalty of sin is death.

Death is the ONLY thing that can reconcile you to God.. Not your death, Your already dead. thats why Jesus said you must be born again.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The truth always provokes the religious to respond according to their nature. Let's call that...fleshy. I've seen it over and over.

The strategy is...the truth shall set you free. Unless, of course, you hate the truth.

yet this is exactly how you respond.

Will you please show some humility and stop attacking everyone who does not agree with you.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

They do...and all the vitriol I get for exhorting people to go to God for the full measure of grace reveals what's really going on with people.

This is very basic.

What is being revealed is what indoctrination and religiosity does when the outer man gets puffed up with false assurances.

Imagine that someone who supposedly knows God gets in a hizzy-fit for being exhorted to seek God's face. Only religion does this.

There's no love whatsoever in people that react against the truth. It's easy to see what people are defending. The flesh reacts in defense of itself.

Maybe one day you will tell people to Go to God for salvation. so they can be born again.

Then, and only then, Will people respond in a positive way to you

 

[amigo de christo]

I do have one more question for you though
Paul’s suffering the loss of all things—a stock of Benjamin, a Pharisee—loss of those things that he may win Christ? Do you see that loss as also trying to earn salvation through works?

not in the least . but i do see letting others believe other religoins are fine is a lie .
And i do see those who think or teach we can pick up our cross , be saved , or be counted righteousness
apart from faith in CHRIST as a fat lie . Talk to epi about that mess . I aint saying you believe it , but he sure does .
The social all inclusive gospel is a lie . The gospel of CHRIST is truth .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Who suffers loss of all things yet is saved as through fire? A child of God who was adopted as a son, But remained a babe,, because he never matured..

God does not go back on his promise. If he saved you, your saved.. Period..

what did they suffer the loss of all things?
you mean the suffered loss not having all things in Him.
So by fire they are saved but never matured to bear fruit or to gain all things in Him? I see what you mean they have been baptized by the fire, baptized with the baptism of Christ. Yet brought no fruit to maturity in Him. see, you say it isn't based off their works but His. Yet, they loss having never fully matured (doing what exactly) never possessed all things in Him. what happened to God does it? What happened to it is God who gives the increase? Then why does the child (Babe) of God lack?

 

[amigo de christo]

yet this is exactly how you respond.

Will you please show some humility and stop attacking everyone who does not agree with you.

I would do a back flip of joy if he even simply acknowledged the dire need to have faith in Christ .
How he treats me is on him . I could care less if folks treat me as dirt . When folks point to a lie
then i have a huge problem . We gonna be treated far worse than folks on internets calling us trolls or anti christs
or etc . We are about to face real live persecutions by an intolerant all inclusive false love , false god following world .
These false religoins and atheists are gonna rise as one and laws are already being changed more and more
to agree to them and their agenda and to crush any and all who resist thier lie .
I dont fear them one bit . My prize is CHRIST and no matter the cost , IS NO MATTER the cost to me .

 

[amigo de christo]

Maybe one day you will tell people to Go to God for salvation. so they can be born again.

Then, and only then, Will people respond in a positive way to you

exactly . FIRST HE gonna have to point to faith in CHRIST for salvation ,
till then he gets exposed .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Who suffers loss of all things yet is saved as through fire? A child of God who was adopted as a son, But remained a babe,, because he never matured..

God does not go back on his promise. If he saved you, your saved.. Period..

I see it as by the baptism of Christ they lack nothing "saved by fire". it is not "destroyed by fire" burning up what could have been you little child of God... if you had only matured. because of baptized of fire in burning up all the dung. The loss is dung. Not their loss of provision in God hence: "saved" by fire.

 

[amigo de christo]

Paul was saved on the road when he met christ.

Everything he did after that was out of appreciation and out of respect for what God did fo0r him. He suffered loss. Not for himself. but for tghe people he was sent as an apostle to so they could find what he found.

Paul did not do those things so he could possibly be saved in the end, He did them because he was saved.

If he did them to be saved, he has something to boast about. for what does the word say Abraham (insert paul here) believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.

to many people want to get right with God by their own righteousness.. They will fail. Just like the pharisee did.. Because the penalty of sin is death.

Death is the ONLY thing that can reconcile you to God.. Not your death, Your already dead. thats why Jesus said you must be born again.

Lets see if paul himself would agree with you .
I labored more abundantely than they all did , YET NOT I BUT THE GRACE OF GOD .
YEP . HE WOULD HAVE AGREED my friend . Folks need to halt that horse of deception and start pointing
to the one who DOES SAVE and DOES CHANGE a person

 

[Keturah]

 

[Keturah]

 

[VictoryinJesus]

this is what is called the bema seat judgment, All who are Gods children will have their works tried here

as apposed to the great white throne judgment, where death and hades will be tried, will be found guilty, and will be cast out of Gods presence.. suffering the second death

Does Paul say he suffered the loss of all things?

Did Paul say he was saved by the baptism of Christ?

You can fancy foot around it but it is a yes or no.

1) No. Paul did not suffer the loss of all things. No Paul was not saved by the baptism of Christ (I baptize you with fire)

2) Yes. Paul suffered the loss of all things. (Those things are not defined as the loss of good fruit he could have had, if he just would have, if he could have, just went from infant to mature.” It doesn’t say that. It says “dung”,

Is those losses of good things the Christian just did not do but instead remained small…yet he is still saved by fire. Is that type of loss you are suggesting called “dung”?

 

[VictoryinJesus]

this is what is called the bema seat judgment, All who are Gods children will have their works tried here

as apposed to the great white throne judgment, where death and hades will be tried, will be found guilty, and will be cast out of Gods presence.. suffering the second death

As much as you are concerned for me, I’m also concerned for you. So you do see it is the child of God in 1 Corinthians 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

you just disagree with what is loss is dung?
Instead potential fruit?
Do i understand you correctly?