How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

Johann
Are you saying I’m void of the spirit of God?

how can one have the spirit if they are not born again, through the blood of Jesus?

 

[Waiting on him]

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.

How will you know how to discern between good and evil if you are void of the Holy Spirit?

Don’t worry, I’m not going to tattle on you. I’m only going to ignore you. I’m gonna place you with your friend where you belong.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Isaiah 7:14-15 KJV
[14] Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. [15] Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

So again, if I have no knowledge of good and evil how will I discern?

“refuse the evil, and choose the good”

I remember reading this in the OT. “Make you a new heart and a new spirit. And thought OT …wow, how is that possible to do. how do you make you a new heart and new spirit? Where God said “I will remove your heart of stone and give you a new flesh heart. And I will put a new spirit in you.” Who does it then?

Ezekiel 18:31 Lexicon: "Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?

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[Waiting on him]

“refuse the evil, and choose the good”

I remember reading this in the OT. “Make you a new heart and a new spirit. And thought OT …wow, how is that possible to do. how do you make you a new heart and new spirit? Where God said “I will remove your heart of stone and give you a new flesh heart. And I will put a new spirit in you.” Who does it then?

Ezekiel 18:31 Lexicon: "Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?

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Well, just be careful. Any individual thought around here is very dangerous.

 

[Waiting on him]

“refuse the evil, and choose the good”

I remember reading this in the OT. “Make you a new heart and a new spirit. And thought OT …wow, how is that possible to do. how do you make you a new heart and new spirit? Where God said “I will remove your heart of stone and give you a new flesh heart. And I will put a new spirit in you.” Who does it then?

Ezekiel 18:31 Lexicon: "Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?

biblehub.com

By the way, what was the reference you gave me a few days ago about the spirits gone out into the world. Dogs that tare etc,,,,

 

[Waiting on him]

Jeremiah 15:3 KJV
[3] And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord : the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.
Found it!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

By the way, what was the reference you gave me a few days ago about the spirits gone out into the world. Dogs that tare etc,,,,

Jeremiah 15:3-5 And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the Lord : the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy. [4] And I will cause them to be removed into all kingdoms of the earth, because of Manasseh the son of Hezekiah king of Judah, for that which he did in Jerusalem. [5] For who shall have pity upon thee, O Jerusalem? or who shall bemoan thee? or who shall go aside to ask how thou doest?

 

[Enoch111]

Why is knowledge of good and evil reported as a bad thing?

It is not "reported" as a bad thing but it stated to be a bad thing. That is why the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden to mankind.

 

[Johann]

Johann
Are you saying I’m void of the spirit of God?

Johann
Are you saying I’m void of the spirit of God?

Not for me to say-you know-it was a generalized statement.

 

[Johann]

Don’t worry, I’m not going to tattle on you. I’m only going to ignore you. I’m gonna place you with your friend where you belong.

Go ahead--I'm not here for tattlers.

 

[Johann]

" Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord."

1) "Likewise reckon ye also," (houtos kai humeis logizesthe) "Even so (in like manner) you all reckon or consider," give logical consideration yourselves, as patterned after him, as dead or unfruitful to the old nature, "to put off" moral and ethical wrong and put on Jesus Christ, Gal_2:19-21; Eph_4:22; Eph_4:24-25; Eph_4:28-29; Eph_4:31-32; Col_3:8-14.

2) "Yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin," (he autous einai nekrous men te hamartia) "Yourselves to be or exist indeed (as) a dead corpse to sin," not responsive to sin, barren to sin, that such is not in harmony with life in Christ; Col_3:1-3; Gal_2:20; Gal_6:14; Jas_2:23-24; Imputed faith in Christ calls to fruitbearing in the new nature, while pruning away the old, 2Pe_1:5-9.

3) "But alive unto God," (zotes de to theo) "But (reckon yourselves as) living actively, continually, to God," in moral behavior and service of Spiritual labors to the Lord, 1Co_6:19-20; Rom_12:1-2; Rom_13:13-14.

4) "Through Jesus Christ our Lord," (en Christo lesou) "in Christ Jesus," saved, redeemed, Gal_3:17; Col_3:23-24; Gal_5:16; Gal_5:24-26.


Reckon ye also yourselves (kai humeis logizesthe). Direct middle imperative of logizomai and complete proof that Paul does not mean that baptism makes one dead to sin and alive to God. That is a spiritual operation “in Christ Jesus” and only pictured by baptism. This is a plea to live up to the ideal of the baptized life.
Robertson.
You do know what a Direct Middle Imperative is, and who is doing the logizete-

 

[Eternally Grateful]

“refuse the evil, and choose the good”

I remember reading this in the OT. “Make you a new heart and a new spirit. And thought OT …wow, how is that possible to do. how do you make you a new heart and new spirit? Where God said “I will remove your heart of stone and give you a new flesh heart. And I will put a new spirit in you.” Who does it then?

Ezekiel 18:31 Lexicon: "Cast away from you all your transgressions which you have committed and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! For why will you die, O house of Israel?

biblehub.com

Amen God gives it to you.

You don;t do it yourself

thats when you are born again

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It is not "reported" as a bad thing but it stated to be a bad thing. That is why the tree of the knowledge of good and evil was forbidden to mankind.

Amen,

God said it was a bad thing, we just need to listen to God.

 

[mailmandan]

There is no knowledge apart from the cross

without the cross. All the knowledge in the world will not help you. You will die in your sins.

Get away from EPi, he is leading you astray

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Amen God gives it to you.

You don;t do it yourself

thats when you are born again

I was thinking last night that maybe you misunderstood me. I don’t think I do anything. Frankly, I don’t think I did the choosing, but He does it. Because we can do nothing without Him. Not even open our own eyes. That changes what I think about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. And the parable about the foolish and wise. Considering He choose not to only die for a good man(as is common), but for the unrighteousness. To me that is exactly the nature of the Father is He doesn’t only salute those who salute Him, and He doesn’t only love those who love Him. My husband and I were talking about the passage where they were accusing Paul of being a reprobate. To me what stands out is their asking for proof of Christ speaking in Paul. I love that passage so much because Christ speaking in Paul towards them …is as the Lamb. Yet they want a Lion. Not seeing they are the lions saying they are lambs, yet Paul is showing them the Lamb of God. Urging them to examine themselves. When I brought that up too many times…what I can’t understand is how immediately it is considered my suggestion is that we must work for forgiveness. And I can’t understand how the repairer and the breach in the parable also leads back to it is offensive to think that could be the point. Crazy but a few years back concerning the parables presented, yes in a sense scrambled, before the religious. I kept hearing “Christ is the key” I do agree they (the parables) come off as condemning but if the scrambled intent is condemnation…what is “no more in parables will I speak, but plainly I will show you the Father”. I prefer the unscrambled where Christ is the Key. If He is the key that opens …I don’t think it is blasphemous to say He is also the repairer of the breach. He is the way. That to me is the good news.

But saying we choose. And they didn’t choose. I don’t see how one has it in them to choose, unless God chooses.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Amen

I wonder if People do not like to look at the cross because it shows their guilt

 

[ChristisGod]

1 Corinthians 1:18 - For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent. 20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Amen brother preach it !!!

 

[Lizbeth]

Isaiah 7:14-15 KJV
[14] Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. [15] Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

So again, if I have no knowledge of good and evil how will I discern?

This is a hard thing to explain, but let's consider Solomon, how for all his wisdom and knowledge still chose evil. Apparently his knowledge didn't keep him from falling.

I think of how scripture says knowledge puffs up...it feeds pride. And we can easily see how it divides. Also considering how the bible says knowledge will pass away and that there is a more excellent way.

Discernment is by the Holy Spirit, it is a gift of the Spirit. The Spirit of Christ within us....the Tree of LIFE.

What happened to Adam&Eve when they ate the fruit from that Tree of Knowledge that God warned them not to eat......they lost their innocence and immediately went and hid from God because they knew shame and tried to cover their shame with pride. It separated them from Him. We are utterly barking up the wrong tree if we think or do as if we know better than the Lord. Like how you are even questioning what He told Adam and Eve in the Garden, exactly as they did.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I was thinking last night that maybe you misunderstood me. I don’t think I do anything. Frankly, I don’t think I did the choosing, but He does it. Because we can do nothing without Him. Not even open our own eyes. That changes what I think about the parable of Lazarus and the rich man. And the parable about the foolish and wise. Considering He choose not to only die for a good man(as is common), but for the unrighteousness. To me that is exactly the nature of the Father is He doesn’t only salute those who salute Him, and He doesn’t only love those who love Him. My husband and I were talking about the passage where they were accusing Paul of being a reprobate. To me what stands out is their asking for proof of Christ speaking in Paul. I love that passage so much because Christ speaking in Paul towards them …is as the Lamb. Yet they want a Lion. Not seeing they are the lions saying they are lambs, yet Paul is showing them the Lamb of God. Urging them to examine themselves. When I brought that up too many times…what I can’t understand is how immediately it is considered my suggestion is that we must work for forgiveness. And I can’t understand how the repairer and the breach in the parable also leads back to it is offensive to think that could be the point. Crazy but a few years back concerning the parables presented, yes in a sense scrambled, before the religious. I kept hearing “Christ is the key” I do agree they (the parables) come off as condemning but if the scrambled intent is condemnation…what is “no more in parables will I speak, but plainly I will show you the Father”. I prefer the unscrambled where Christ is the Key. If He is the key that opens …I don’t think it is blasphemous to say He is also the repairer of the breach. He is the way. That to me is the good news.

But saying we choose. And they didn’t choose. I don’t see how one has it in them to choose, unless God chooses.

Considering the scrambling of the parables “that seeing they may not see and be converted” to me that says God never chose to convert the carnal man. “That seeing they may not see and be converted” “you must be born anew” “these things are spiritually discerned” He choose to give understanding to born anew. Born From above, wisdom given and come down from above of God. Not the wisdom passed down through men.

 

[Episkopos]

Considering the scrambling of the parables “that seeing they may not see and be converted” to me that says God never chose to convert the carnal man. “That seeing they may not see and be converted” “you must be born anew” “these things are spiritually discerned” He choose to give understanding to born anew. Born From above, wisdom given and come down from above of God. Not the wisdom passed down through men.

God isn't interested in catering to the aspirations of men. He looks to the weak, the downtrodden, the poor, the broken, the humble and those who tremble at His word. Basically, everything the rich Western religious church is not.

There is yet a chance to be among the redeemed who enter into the promises of God...but only through repentance from our own ways.