How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[amigo de christo]

What else is there? There is what Christ did, and if that's not enough, you can try adding what you do. Right?

Much love!

Satan has his version of the cross , his version of a gospel , his version of what he consideres righteousness
santification and redemptoin . A HINT its gonna point us to our way of obtaining such things.
BUDDA and the cross is a lie
atheism and the cross is a lie
any other path and the cross is a lie .
ITS JESUS AND THE CROSS WE SHALL PREACH N TEACH .
With epi its real simple to see . He preaches half truths . His righteousness , his santification ,,
his redemptoin , his gospel , his etc , POINTS TO US OBTAINING IT through our own merits and works .
BUT AS FOR THE TRUE GOSPEL , the CROSS , righteousness , santification
ITS POINTS TO CHRIST ALONE to obtain it and to have the power to walk in such things .
EPI dont realize . THE way he goes about things
is like a man who says , LOOK i see a horse , i see a cart and i see wheels that carry the cart .
SO HE says alas i know what to do to move that cart .
SO he goes about and takes the wheels off said cart .
HE then coaxes the horse INTO the cart saying i have no need of you .
THEN he straps the harness on himself and tries to pull both the cart and the horse .
HE AINT GONNA GET THE JOB DONE by his own merits or stength . HE should have
rather stepped into the cart the LORD PREPARED and let the LORD LEAD HIM . TILL he figures this out
HE is STUCK IN THE RUT my friend .

 

[marks]

You are backwards. I teach, I inspire, I correct, I rebuke. That's what a Christian teacher does.

Simply compare these words to the posts you characterize so. They are not the same. You cannot erase the truth with a claim about yourself. Continual denials will not erase reality.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Mark aint falling for it epi . You claim to be many things .
YET wont point to CHRIST . rather you give buddist , atheist and whateverist a false hope
that they can obtain without even having to had believed in Christ . YOU KNOW and I KNOW what inclusivism teaches .
AND YOU openly admit YOU FOLLOW that and its social gospel . AND WE BOTH know what that gospel teaches .

 

[marks]

I believe @Episkopos is correct, what we have is a whole bunch of role players.


LIP SERVICE!

And you?

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

And you?

Much love!

Role player . ONE who plays as though they are of Christ and come in His name
and yet lead folks astray into inclusvism and the social gospel . THAT is a role player .
Mark , i know folks think this ol man long ago lost his mind and that this man was nuts for continously
warning against the all inclusive go spell . BUT IT has indeed infected more minds than you might realize .
And this lamb IS HERE TO EXPOSE IT and rather to POINT TO CHRIST JESUS the ONLY NAME WHEREBY ONE can be saved ,
These folks always preach on attain , but have long forgotten the only way to ATTAIN , IS IN CHRIST JESUS

 

[marks]

I was not hanging there with him

Did you read Romans 6?

For as many of us who were BAPTIZED into Christ were BAPTIZED into HIS DEATH.

We were UNITED in the likeness of his death….

This is not water baptism he is talking about here. This is spirit baptism. That God the Holy SPirit literally takes us back to the cross. And we experience his death. As he died. We died also.

This is how one is saved. His death is applied to our account.

I believe exactly like the Bible says, that we are crucifed together with Jesus. Actually dead, and made alive in the Spirit.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Your missing the point

Maybe this is just your assumption, though. Does this look like a big game to you? I think he's playing everyone.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

Maybe this is just your assumption, though. Does this look like a big game to you? I think he's playing everyone.

Much love!

If by he you mean EPI . YOU RIGHT my friend .

 

[marks]

Making these kinds of judgments are unproductive.

It depends on what your goal is. I think Ep finds them very productive! Look at his habit of posting. I think that says a lot!

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Only your claim of this, but without the evidence in your conduct.

Much love!

I know a few people who have flown before.. They withdraw was painful

 

[marks]

You are conflating my maturity with a claim to be perfect. You can't take away from my experience and what I learned and what that has produced in me.

We see what you claim for yourself, about yourself, and we see how you conduct yourself. Personally, I look more towards how someone acts than in what they claim about themself.

The kingdom of God isn't just words, it's power, and if you lack even the power to mind your tongue even on a written forum where you have all the opportunity in the world to choose how to address others, that's not maturity. I have no idea what you have and haven't experienced, but what's been produced in you, well, that's what is revealed in your words.

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Maybe this is just your assumption, though. Does this look like a big game to you? I think he's playing everyone.

Much love!

I am worried about his followers..

 

[marks]

You act as though

That's the key part right there.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Not even there.

Much love!

Agreed

 

[ChristisGod]

That's what I teach and you deny. You are waiting for eternal life in the next age....while you live in the futility of a religious ego in the meantime...thinking that by vain boasting, God has to let you inherit life.

No just like salvation, faith, sanctification there is a past, present and future aspect to it. Its actually you who is denying all of the above, not me. I affirm the past , present and future aspects of them. You are simply projecting again.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

You are backwards. I teach, I inspire, I correct, I rebuke. That's what a Christian teacher does. What you do is assume, presume, point fingers, and generally react very badly from a carnally motivated religious disposition. You NEED desperately to go the the cross to be crucified with Christ....otherwise you will die in your sins.

To be a teacher you must have the gift of teaching which I have not seen affirmed by anyone here. Secondly teachers are students themselves. Thirdly those with the gift of teaching are accountable to to the church and its elders. Fourthly there are no lone ranger christians with the gift of teaching for that gift is for the edification and building up of the body of Christ. Fifth scripture and Christ rebuke though the conviction of the Holy Spirit. Rebuking someone with out Gods word and trying to correct someone about your ideas which are not Gods word is not correcting anyone. To rebuke someone you must know the truth.

What is the Biblical model for correcting a brother or sister ? Lets hear it.

 

[marks]

Nay brother, I'm afraid you are wresting this to make it fit what you believe. Paul was telling those who WERE PERFECT to be of the SAME MIND as he, ie, not to consider that they had attained. Therefore he could not have been saying he hadn't attained only because he wasn't "perfect" at the time he wrote it.

Philippians 3:15-16 KJV
15) Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
16) Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing.

Paul didn't shut himself out from being mature.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I am worried about his followers..

If someone is seeking truth God will not let them down.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

I am worried about his followers..

I'm only aware of one, are there more ?

And its really sad for any man to have " followers " and want that. We point others to the Messiah and we are not to have a messiah complex and want followers.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm only aware of one, are there more ?

And its really sad for any man to have " followers " and want that. We point others to the Messiah and we are not to have a messiah complex and want followers.

I know of at least three here