How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Episkopos]

The challenge of Protestantism is this: If we claim to be justified in the walk at an OT level ...that of being limited to our own strength...then we will NEVER progress into what the gospel is offering to those who receive with MEEKNESS the implanted word.

Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God...and He will lift you up...no need to be puffed up in pride. No need to lift yourself up. It gets in the way of a translation/elevation into kingdom life. God resists the proud. He gives grace to the humble.

 

[amigo de christo]

LOL! You think being an adult is from pride because you are still thinking as a child. As in...how dare you think you're grown up...there 's only us spoiled children here.

How old are you?

In a superficial religious world...no amount of age and experience mean anything at all.

So long as their is breath in my lungs i shall continually remind the people about the dire need to believe in Christ .
THIS will stop any foot hold of anyone trying to bring in another idea . And i bet your smart enough to realize that .
PS , if you love CHRIST you should be rejoicing at the reminder and the continual reminder of one must believe in HIM .
So long as one continually reminds about the fact One must believe in CHRIST and do good works ,
it continually stirs up the lambs . This also crushes the social gospel from getting any kind of a start .
I know how it works epi . So here is another reminder to all .
IF one believes not the TESTIMONY that GOD has given of HIS SON , then they make GOD a liar .
Thus it shuts down any gospel that tries to omit the dire need of believing in HIM .
The social gospel focuses on good works but NO FAITH IN JESUS required .
That gets shut down on my watch .
Trying to preach good works alone is like having a cart and a horse .
THEN the social gospel says HEY i got an idea , LETS PUT the HORSE in the cart
lets take the wheels off the cart and put them on our shoulders and attach it to the cart and let us PULL It .
PS , it wont work . GOTTA PREACH YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS , and then do the good works .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Be not hearers or readers of the word only...but doers.

I point to Christ...not myself...but the resurrected Christ. Don't confuse me with the religious egotists that mock the truth even as they gorge on the word to puff up the outer religious man. Some are now learning to change their approach...but they are still spiritually dead even if they adapt their dead ways....to make it sound better. Always "learning" but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Christianity is not a dead religion of an afterlife. It is the power of the life to come....walked in these mortal bodies right now. We have this treasure in earthen vessels. (now)

Just because I know the truth and speak the truth doesn't mean I do it from ego. That's what egos assume about others...that everyone is as deceived and compromised as themselves. That's how judgment falls on the house of God to cut off those who walk in iniquity...accusing others of what they do themselves.

The crows here feed on death....not life. Always talk of Jesus on the cross...paying penalties or whatever...but NEVER speaking of the victorious life by the power of Christ's resurrection. That is reserved for the eagles...not the crows.

You point to you the self appointed prophet

How can you point to Christ when you do even think Christ paid for your sin?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul said as many of us that are (presently) perfect...Check it out....he just didn't include himself in that number at THAT time. Saints go in and out of the Spirit.

Paul was not in the Spirit at the time he was writing that. The translation is done by religious men who have no understanding of the higher walk. So when Paul is speaking truthfully about his PRESENT condition he doesn't mean that he never walked in the higher walk.

I find the logic of some people to be so self-defeating. If Paul had never experienced resurrection life...then why are you listening to him? You are so used to listening to human opinion you think that's the same as a man who walked in Zion???

Because of a lack of spiritual experience and understanding, people WILL not understand what Paul is talking about.

That only happens in the higher walk. Otherwise people die in the futility of their own religious mind. One needs to grow in the environment of Zion to grow into Christ-likeness...otherwise its just a human righteous character that we see in poor countries all the time.

The irony is that poor people already have what deceived religious people think they are growing into as part of their "sanctification" process. I marvel at the wisdom of God and the foolishness of religious name and claimers.

Phil. 3:15 “Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.”

So Paul wrote the word of God while not in the spirit?

Wow. Just wow

 

[Eternally Grateful]

The challenge of Protestantism is this: If we claim to be justified in the walk at an OT level ...that of being limited to our own strength...then we will NEVER progress into what the gospel is offering to those who receive with MEEKNESS the implanted word.

Humble yourself under the mighty hand of God...and He will lift you up...no need to be puffed up in pride. No need to lift yourself up. It gets in the way of a translation/elevation into kingdom life. God resists the proud. He gives grace to the humble.

Your not a Catholic so why do you decry Protestants?

 

[amigo de christo]

You point to you the self appointed prophet

How can you point to Christ when you do even think Christ paid for your sin?

you forgot the NT . He dont believe buddists , muslims , atheists have to believe either . Its all about works to him .
I understand all about being hearers and doers . But he messes this up .
Does of the word BELIEVE IN JESUS and they do good works by the SPIRIT .
but those who follow another religion , oh they might DO some good works , BUT ARE NOT TRULY HEARER and DOERS of the Word .
Cause JESUS also said BELIEVE YE IN ME .
Epi follows the social all inclusive gospel . Ask him , he admits it .
And i know what inclusivism teaches . Sure its huge on doing good works , but they can be done in the name of any religoin
AND THAT IS A HUGE PROBLEM . Cause if even the jews could not attain to the law of righteousness
for they sought it not BY FAITH , HOW ON EARTH are the false religons gonna attain to RIGHEOUSNESS
IF they have NOT FAITH . Exactly . EPI cannot see this .
Faith in JESUS CHRIST . not faith in oneself or their false religion , BUT FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND .

 

[amigo de christo]

So Paul wrote the word of God while not in the spirit?

Wow. Just wow

BUT EPI , HE DOES SPEAK BY THE SPIRIT . This man is far more full of pride . the longer this converstion continues
the more he gets exposed .

 

[Episkopos]

So long as their is breath in my lungs i shall continually remind the people about the dire need to believe in Christ .

You have to point people to the cross..and then go there to have your flesh dealt with.

THIS will stop any foot hold of anyone trying to bring in another idea . And i bet your smart enough to realize that .

Smart enough to realize that the flesh is looking to be saved...but cannot be. It needs to be crucified on the cross of Christ.

Praise the Lord!

PS , if you love CHRIST you should be rejoicing at the reminder and the continual reminder of one must believe in HIM .

You need this constant reminder because you are still a babe.

So long as one continually reminds about the fact One must believe in CHRIST and do good works ,
it continually stirs up the lambs . This also crushes the social gospel from getting any kind of a start .

You are paranoid about losing your own beliefs. Don't be. Have confidence in God.

I know how it works epi . So here is another reminder to all .
IF one believes not the TESTIMONY that GOD has given of HIS SON , then they make GOD a liar .

One day, if you ever grow a little you will see that you need to go beyond always being afraid about beliefs. Go forward....leave the crib behind. Move on into perfection.

Thus it shuts down any gospel that tries to omit the dire need of believing in HIM .
The social gospel focuses on good works but NO FAITH IN JESUS required .

You are not talking about faith but beliefs. You are still on a religious level of religion.

That gets shut down on my watch .

You need to start discerning the time with your watch. Discern the time.

Trying to preach good works alone is like having a cart and a horse .
THEN the social gospel says HEY i got an idea , LETS PUT the HORSE in the cart
lets take the wheels off the cart and put them on our shoulders and attach it to the cart and let us PULL It .
PS , it wont work . GOTTA PREACH YE MUST BELIEVE IN JESUS , and then do the good works .

You need to go to a mirror...and continue telling yourself....believe in Jesus. And one day you actually might do so!

 

[Episkopos]

So Paul wrote the word of God while not in the spirit?

Wow. Just wow

Poor you. So naive. Paul himself says sometimes...not the Spirit ...but I say.

Because you only have a religious grasp of things ...that's like a child who hears for the first time their parents are just as human as they are as in ...what...my parents also get tummy aches????

 

[amigo de christo]

No one can go to the cross lest their FAITH BE IN JESUS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

Poor you. So naive. Paul himself says sometimes...not the Spirit ...but I say.

Because you only have a religious grasp of things ...that's like a child who hears for the first time...what...my parents also get tummy aches.

Yet pual made it clear when he said such things . Dont try and act like the rest was not the commandments of the LORD .
In two places paul makes it clear its his opinion .

 

[Episkopos]

No one can go to the cross lest their FAITH BE IN JESUS CHRIST .

Amen. Follow your advice. Unless you trust God fully with your life you will not be able to trust Him to cut you in half to take away the sin nature in the outer man. God's hand is sure. He is trustworthy.

Go to God and surrender your life. Go to the cross to be crucified...and walk IN Christ.

 

[Episkopos]

Yet pual made it clear when he said such things . Dont try and act like the rest was not the commandments of the LORD .
In two places paul makes it clear its his opinion .

It's not just his opinion. Paul had the maturity and authority to speak of what he knows. Do you realize that a mechanic can explain how a car works even when there is no car present????? You will ask? How can he do that? Well, he has done is before so he actually understands what's going on.

Check it out...

Being religious is only for infants. Grow...and go to the cross.

Bless the Lord oh my soul!!!

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. Follow your advice. Unless you trust God fully with your life you will not be able to trust Him to cut you in half to take away the sin nature in the outer man. God's hand is sure. He is trustworthy.

Go to God and surrender your life. Go to the cross to be crucified...and walk IN Christ.

I long ago by grace ALREADY trusted in GOD for this .
But the social gospel is false . obviously you dont trust in GOD for this .
I watch and have watched some of the things you teach . You teach righteouness apart from FAITH IN CHRIST .
That wont bode well . IT didnt work out for the unbelieving jews , and it wont work out for the other false religions
or atheist either . THEY MUST ALL come to FAITH IN CHRIST , THEN BELIEVE EVERY WORD HE EVER TAUGHT .

 

[amigo de christo]

It's not just his opinion. Paul has the maturity and authority to speak of what he knows. Do you realize that a mechanic can explain how a car works even when there is no car present????? You will ask? How can he do that? Well, he has done is before so he actually understands what's going on.

Check it out...

Being religious is only for infants. Grow...and go to the cross.

Bless the Lord oh my soul!!!

I agree paul was speaking spiritually . Never said he wasnt . He just said it was his opinion .
THE advice he gave WAS the best advice , i mean it would be better for men and women to remain single .
HOWEVER THIS IS NOT required by the LORD . YET it was good spiritual advice .
I already knew this EPI . You act as though by my response i didnt .

 

[Episkopos]

I long ago by grace ALREADY trusted in GOD for this .

But you forgot to move beyond having beliefs about Jesus and pointing to the cross. GO to the cross.

But the social gospel is false . obviously you dont trust in GOD for this .

There is ONLY ONE gospel...so you are inventing something in your own head...a very muddled head at that.

I watch and have watched some of the things you teach . You teach righteouness apart from FAITH IN CHRIST .

I teach what the bible teaches. Righteousness is by and faith and/or works.
If you understood the gospel then you would see that the New Covenant is ONLY by faith.
The New Covenant is a walk in resurrection power by a miraculous translation into heaven to walk as Jesus walked. No works can do that. It is a miracle by grace through faith.

Now run along and learn what the gospel is.

That wont bode well . IT didnt work out for the unbelieving jews , and it wont work out for the other false religions
or atheist either . THEY MUST ALL come to FAITH IN CHRIST , THEN BELIEVE EVERY WORD HE EVER TAUGHT .

This is false. A lot of believers are going to be rejected from the kingdom. Your beliefs don't save you as you think.

Read about the foolish virgins...and consider that you are among them. Try LEARNING something..anything.

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Instead of coming here to puff up your ego...turn from your iniquity...go to the cross and buy eye salve so you can SEE instead of blindly thrashing about with all manner of futile ranting of religious sounding slogans.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@Episkopos and to all of your disciples

The power of the cross.

It is the new birth

It is the reason behind our hope.

1 peter 1

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten (born again) us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

It is eternal, It is incorruptible, it is undefined. It will never fade away, it is reserved in heaven for us, it is kept through faith in this gospel. To be revealed in the last day


4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

It’s all based on the events of the cross. Including what happened after, the ressurection

 

[Episkopos]

I agree paul was speaking spiritually . Never said he wasnt . He just said it was his opinion .
THE advice he gave WAS the best advice , i mean it would be better for men and women to remain single .
HOWEVER THIS IS NOT required by the LORD . YET it was good spiritual advice .
I already knew this EPI . You act as though by my response i didnt .

You need to talk to the "Grateful" lady' She thought I had destroyed her entire religion..causing a cosmic shift in the order in the universe because I intimated that Paul was not ALWAYS in the Spirit.

Find her among the cribs...if you can escape yours. She never listens to me. I think I scare her

 

[Lizbeth]

Exactly . the problem today is , the version of unity and the gospel they do bring , AINT CHRIST centered at all .
Its reconcilation aint about the gospel of true peace that reconciles man to GOD by faith in Christ .
ITS reconcilation is about reconciling man to man , lets just come together and find common ground .
And that IS A HUGE MESS of a lie . Lambs unify with the reconciled to GOD . THERE is only one way
for a man to have peace and reconcilation to GOD , HIS NAME JESUS CHRIST . Today men focus on
good works BUT CAST OUT the dire need for CHRIST . AGAIN this is a massive lie and a deadly solution
that will not save them . OUR main and only mission is POINT TO JESUS CHRIST and to learn HIM and all sound doctrine well
and to exhort one another to continue to do so .
THEY are very crafty indeed , but by the Grace of the HOLY GOD and HIS CHRIST the lambs dont fall for it .
The message is real clear in this end hour message of unity , THEY want nothing to do with
those who cliam CHRIST as the only means to be saved . TO them this is dogmatic and
in the way of this finding common ground and unity for the world . But to us it is the ONLY MESSAGE that saves .
POINT to CHRIST till the last breath my friend .

The bible says "Friendship with the world is enmity with God." This doesn't mean to be unloving, unkind and ungenerous to people of the world (as some will accuse) - of course not, we are to love even our enemies. But it means we are to be separate from the world and not unequally yoked (at one) with it:

2Co 6:14-18

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.



Being separate from the world is a necessary part of holiness. Separated out from the world unto God. (And notice that this scripture calls unbelievers unrighteous, not righteous.)

 

[amigo de christo]

But you forgot to move beyond having beliefs about Jesus and pointing to the cross. GO to the cross.


There is ONLY ONE gospel...so you are inventing something in your own head...a very muddled head at that.

I teach what the bible teaches. Righteousness is by and faith and/or works.
If you understood the gospel then you would see that the New Covenant is ONLY by faith.
The New Covenant is walk in resurrection power by a miraculous translation into heaven to walk as Jesus walked. No works can do that. It is a miracle by grace through faith.

Now run along and learn what the gospel is.


This is false. A lot of believers are going to be rejected from the kingdom. Your beliefs don't save you as you think.

Read about the foolish virgins...and consider that you are among them. Try LEARNING something..anything.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Instead of coming here to puff up your ego...turn from your iniquity...go to the cross and buy eye salve so you can SEE instead of blindly thrashing about with all manner of futile ranting of religious sounding slogans.

again you assume wrong . I have long remined folks what the cross means .
I am just doubling down on all reminders to believe in HIM , cause the false social gospel is at work .
THE CROSS has no effect , the power of CHRIST is not in one , WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN HE ALONE FOR SALVATION .
THAT is the part YOU MESS UP big time . but as i said i know the inclusive mindset .
I did actually read a book on it . AND if i had not been in the library when i read that book
I would have burned it . BUT you cant burn private property of the library .