How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[amigo de christo]

Beware this pearl of great price many be selling .
Cling rather to CHRIST who is the pearl of great price .
No love that comes from GOD would omit the DIRE NECESSITY to BELIEVE ON HIS CHRIST .
That is no love , for it cannot and does not and will not save a soul .
This is nothing more than the turd of one price . the price , IS YOUR SOUL if you believe its lie .
Come rather to CHRIST JESUS who has done all required that ye may attain righteousness , justification , redemption
and santification . The turd of one price , the all inclusive lie , its wages are a lie and its end is death .
BELIEVE YE IN CHRIST JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen brother. My testimony is much the same.......out of the blue He drew me, then one minute I didn't believe but the next minute I just did and knew at the time that it was not of my own, but it was a work of God! Even being able to discern that, was from Him, not of my own! Praise the Lord, I am so glad He came to me that day!

In truth THIS IS THE WAY it is for ever believer .
WHO do they think even convicted them , drew them .
I mean there were times i had heard the gospel but did not come .
YET that day , by grace I DID . GOD GIVETH THE INCREASE .
one plants , another waters , but we are but tools of the LORD working by HIS SPIRIT .
IT IS GOD ALONE that giveth the increase .
I wish people understood that . THEY would not have fallen for MANS WAY TO BUILD A CHURCH
which in effect DESTROYED the church . They sought ways of men to give the increase to the church of peoples .
TO DO SO they had to omit some truth which might offend , MEN thought themselves so wise
as though simply preaching truth was not enough anymore . BUT forgot , ONLY GOD can add to the church .
That all we ever needed TO DO was follow HIS PATTERN , simply speak the gospel truth
and who so ever cometh amen . The carnal mind of man can destroy much good . BUT RELYING SOULY ON GOD
does MUCH GOOD . Seeker friendly , all inclusive lies , are mens ways to create a church and grow numbers .
And as you see , SURE the numbers have grown large , BUT THE DIRECTION they go in , AINT UNTO GOD or HIS CHRIST .

 

[VictoryinJesus]

ok, yes I see the allegories. But what happens to the warning about treating what is holy as a common thing, ie, treating the Lord's supper as if it were just another meal to satiate physical hunger or gluttony, when it is so much more than that. If we treat the Lord's supper as common (as opposed to holy) and not recognizing His crucified Body in it, some will be judged with sickness or death. May I ask, how do you understand communion...what it is and why Jesus ordained it?

I don’t think it is common at all. Personally I think it is the judgement seat in how we either abuse His body of what has been given for edification by taking our own before another. Like OT testament where they elbowed the disease and sickly out of the way. Or tending one to another. To me there is no escaping gluttony at the Lords table. I don’t mean over eating literal food or drinking of too much literal wine; but in satisfying of yourself and the neglecting of His body, so that you become drunk on the Life given for edification, drinking down damnation…the heart made dark and the eyes go shut, blindness, and the mind staggering. where upon leaving the table…the drinking judges the one consuming, the eating of.
nothing common about the Lord’s table but if the body of Christ is trampled under foot in the taking of the bread come down from heaven, drinking of the blood …it can’t be ignored that if the body of Christ is handled without care but handled deceitfully, the corrupting of His body …they go away in a drunk stupor. No by passing it. To me that makes God the judge of the heart of those who eat of His body. The decider of if we are worthy to eat of the bread and drink of the blood. To me that seems clear that there is not anything common about Table of God. I sincerely mean this and not sarcastically that I do get, it comes off as chasing down rabbit holes. Don’t get me wrong about the table and the “This cup is the New Testament in my blood, shed for you.” I’m not saying literal tables set up at churches is where one drinks and goes away drunk and another hungry. But it could be, since even those tables governed by men say it is His supper, the body of the Word of God, His blood to be taken in…the heart be made manifest, revealed which the Word of God does reveal this. If you would look at what comes out of the eating of the Word of God. There is an obvious “one is drunk” going blind and blinder away into damnation. And another grows hungry. Really have to consider the good news though (even this of the New Testament); the hungry will be satisfied of Me. They will be fed of God. They will be filled. What is the Lord’s table? The Word of God the One we settle closely up to eat of…has the Word ever judged or convicted? Has it ever warned or corrected? Do we grow more drunk…or more sober? Upon partaking of His body does the Word condemn us or justify us?

or tables in buildings where people commune? could be both? because it the Word of God set, communions in buildings; regards also how the Word of God is handled. If the Word is abused and handled deceitfully or handled with care for His bodies sake. No, I don’t think it is common. Not at all. Instead I think there is a dire warning …that no man or woman can escape that to drink and eat unworthy…and you become blind and drunk. Men can’t control this either. Saying who is worthy to drink and eat of Him. God decides who is worthy. Seeing the heart and desires of it. Either opening the eyes or shutting them. Either drunkenness or to be made sober. He judged what and who eats and drinks of “the cup of the New Testament in His blood, shed for you” …that right there ought to tell us also it could be eating and drinking of the New Testament and using (abusing) it for destruction instead of edification… as you use what was given for edification to destroy His Body; drinking of the cup His blood shed; drinking of it unworthy destroys you.

I wish you didn’t think I’ve lost my mind and am a kook. I wish you would at least consider the visual given . In the Old Testament He prepares a table before His enemies calling all…including fowls(not literal ones), including beasts(not literal ones)…all to eat at His great supper. Saying eat …the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ also speaks of this call. Come all, gather round the table. Old Testament shows exactly the staggering and going away stumbling made drunk not sober. Can’t ignore the warning “this is why many are sick and do sleep” NT. Sleep as in; shut their eyes to Christ. Wake up you who sleep? Come boldly before the throne of God, having this confidence…this grateful confidence…are you worthy? Who made you worthy to drink and eat?

Does any of this make sense? Do you deny be careful how you abuse the New Testament in His blood, shed for you”? The warning of trampling of the blood? The precious blood of Christ? I will never look at the pictures of the men gathered around the Lord’s Table the same again. To me it isn’t some fairy tale …but the power of God is revealed all around us.

 

[Ritajanice]

it was GOD alone who led me to Christ . He put that desire into my heart . One day i was the old man as usual
and then Came the LORD and flipped me around and put a new desire into my heart to SEEK HIM OUT .
There is nothing i can boast in , BUT THE LORD HIMSELF .
I still remember that very day in may . I had woke up that morning the old man
but later that afternoon GOD began a Work in my heart . TO HE be all the glory . IT was not I who drew me ,
my flesh did not draw me , THE LORD did this . And HOW i THANK HIM SO FOR IT . Let all that has breath
praise and thank and rejoice in the glorious Lord . When i ponder and think
upon the beauty of the LORD and His saving Grace , I see real clearly this came not of me , BUT OF GOD .
THERE is nothing i can point too , BUT GOD , HIS CHRIST . And the dire necessity of His grace daily which guides
me and builds me up . David once said , OH LORD take not thy Spirit from ME , lest i become as one that goes down into the PIT .
OH how TRUE THAT IS . we can do nothing without HIM . Wait there is one thing we can
do without Him , FAIL AND FALL . IN HE ALONE is our strength , In HE alone is our help . ONLY LET US HEED THE SPIRIT
and not the wicked flesh .

What a WONDERFUL testimony to give GOD all the GLORY!!.....fills my heart with so much JOY to read and hear this.....it’s like the Holy Spirit is rejoicing in me, reading this wonderful,wonderful testimony!!..

 

[ChristisGod]

James 1:3 knowing that proving of your faith worketh patience. Yes, it's ours but only because He gave/is giving it to us, by His Spirit.

If God gave faith then why then did Jesus criticize His disciples for not having faith? He would have been criticizing Himself since as you believe He gave them their faith. We read this throughout the gospels their lack of faith. Why is faith mentioned time and time again along with repentance and obedience ? Does God also repent for us and obey for us too ?

This makes man out to be a puppet controlled by God with no human volition, responsibility, choice or free will. Time and time again God reprimand them saying oh ye of little faith. If God gives salvific faith like He does eternal life then their would be no doubting in a believers life with anything since biblical faith is assurance and it never waivers. The fact is that faith in a believers life does waiver, there are doubts, we questions things just goes to show its mans responsibility to believe/trust in the promises of God. Over and over again we read in the N.T. about "your faith" , one must believe to be saved. Jesus called sinners throughout His ministry to believe in Him, to follow Him, to obey Him- He challenged them by their own volition to believe, follow and obey Him.

Think of it this way since we are talking about a loving God and marriage is to reflect the image of God.

If I were to give the girl I love and want to marry the "faith" to believe and trust me is that really loving ? If she does not love me, trust me, believe in me by her own choosing and free will without me coercing her by giving her the ability is that a loving relationship ? No I would be violating her freedom, her will, her choice to freely love me. Yet we want to believe God gives some faith and the majority God does not give faith so they are never saved, never loved by God because He never gave them saving faith. That makes God unjust, unloving, showing partiality. That is exactly what Calvinism teaches with TULIP and double predestination.

God elected before the foundation of the world that He would save some( give them saving faith ) and condemn the rest to eternal torment( not give them saving faith). This is the doctrine of predestination/double predestination.

There is no getting around the fact if God is the One responsible for giving faith to the sinner then those without faith never had a chance to believe since God never granted them saving faith. This makes God out to be a moral monster. It makes all the promises in scripture to sinners to come freely a farce since God never granted them the ability to come and believe. It makes the gospel of no effect for the lost since only certain ones God chose to save by giving them faith. The gospel is only for the ones God gives faith and its meaningless to the rest. Jesus dying for all sin, all sinners, all the world is not true since most never had a chance to believe. The bottom line is its unloving and unjust is God controls a mans faith.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Notice that Paul says he has not "apprehended" and then says that He is one of the perfect.

What's that mean?

It means that Paul has not yet been bodily resurrected (apprehended), so, he can't do that for Himself, yet, he has attained perfection as He teaches it and also has attained it.

What is that?

Its having the knowledge of God......which is to have the same knowledge that God has, regarding how God sees all the born again as "made righteous", and never does God see the born again as anything other than "the righteousness of God in Christ".

So, to have that MIND, that understanding, is how to exist as what Paul refers to as "as many as be perfect".

Its not about lifestyle, its about possessing REVELATION Knowledge, regarding what it means to have become a "new creation in Christ'.

To me it simply means this
1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God give: that God in all things may be glorified through (the fullness of) Jesus Christ(increased), to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

To me the passage about attaining but not attaining means to walk and minister as of the ability which God gives. To walk in that measure and not beyond the measure given unto us. To stay where we have been called and to walk in that measure. Not going beyond what God has given… God gives the increase. This is also concerning Faith because the passages speak of as your Faith is increased. This connects to planting and watering but it God that gives the increase. How does one plant and water…let it be in Hope? The disciples cried “increase our Faith” did they Hope? In what being increased …their Faith or the building up of Christ. That God in all things be glorified? Think of where Paul said
Galatians 1:23-24 But they had heard only, That he which persecuted us in times past now preaches the faith which once he destroyed. [24] And they glorified God in me.


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[Behold]

To me it simply means this
1 Peter 4:11 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God give: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Ame
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Why did you quote Peter.

All you have to do is read the verse before the one you posted, as Paul stated that He was talking about the Resurrection. (having not attained to it yet".

Go read it...

Philippians 3: 11

"""""""If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.""""

 

[ChristisGod]

Why did you quote Peter.

All you have to do is read the verse before the one you posted, as Paul stated that He was talking about the Resurrection. (having not attained to it yet".

Go read it...

Philippians 3: 11

"""""""If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.""""

Correct the "context " from Philippians 3 makes it clear what PAUL meant by not apprehending it yet.

This is the problem with "isolating" verses from their context as people can form any kind of wind of doctrine.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

This is the problem with "isolating" verses from their context as people can form any kind of wind of doctrine.

Only if the audience are Bible illiterate…

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Why did you quote Peter.

All you have to do is read the verse before the one you posted, as Paul stated that He was talking about the Resurrection. (having not attained to it yet".

Go read it...

Philippians 3: 11

"""""""If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.""""

The building up of the fullness of the measure of Christ. If He was not raised then your Faith is in vain, being still dead in the grave. Again…what Peter said and Paul said about attaining and also not yet attaining… how does one plant or how does one water …in Hope. (Having this confidence, as Paul explained “knowing Him who Paul believed). What is in Hope…if attained yet also as not yet attained?
2 Corinthians 6:7-10 By the word of truth, by the power of God, by the armour of righteousness on the right hand and on the left, [8] By honour and dishonour, by evil report and good report: as deceivers, and yet true; [9] As unknown, and yet well known; as dying, and, behold, we live; as chastened, and not killed; [10] As sorrowful, yet alway rejoicing; as poor, yet making many rich; as having nothing, and yet possessing all things.
^could include: as having not attained, yet having attained.
It is God which gives the increase. Faith and Hope …to minister in what has been distributed abroad of God. Who gives the seed of the planting, the water for the watering?

 

[Behold]

Correct the "context " from Philippians 3 makes it clear what PAUL meant by not apprehending it yet.

This is the problem with "isolating" verses from their context as people can form any kind of wind of doctrine.

Yes.

And what causes it?
The cause is that these people are not reading a bible, they are using a commentary, that taught them what to cut and paste.

Commentaries are what many use as their bible, and you can tell....., as they are only able to use verses as they have been taught them wrongly by their "CULT" commentaries.

Episkopos is a prime example., according to his Videos, Threads, and posts.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Correct the "context " from Philippians 3 makes it clear what PAUL meant by not apprehending it yet.

Let it be in Hope?
Proverbs 13:12 Hope deferred makes the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.

Isaiah 61:1-3 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; [2] To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [3] To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes.

And what causes it?
The cause is that these people are not reading a bible, they are using a commentary, that taught them what to cut and paste.

Commentaries are what many uses as their bible, and you can tell....., as they are only able to use verses as they have been taught them wrongly by their commentaries.

Episkopos is a prime example., according to his Videos, Threads, and posts.

Yes very true and I have a library full of commentaries but I use them only after I have given due diligence to my own personal study of a passage or a topic. They are much lower on my list of tools after a concordance ,a lexicon, dictionary.

 

[ChristisGod]

Let it be in Hope?
Proverbs 13:12 Hope deferred makes the heart sick: but when the desire cometh, it is a tree of life.

Isaiah 61:1-3 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; [2] To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [3] To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

We were discussing Philippians 3. But thanks anyways.

 

[GTW27]

To know & hold to the doctrines of Christ / the doctrines of God is NOT indoctrination but is called obedience.

While God WILL NOT force any to believe the truth, those that ARE TRULY seeking the TRUTH will BELIEVE the truth when the Spirit bears witness.

This constant ya yaing to PROVE to someone who refuses, denies, twist & rabbit holes the word of God is fruitless,.

Rebuke, exhort then dust them from our feet for IF THE SPIRIT OF GOD CANT CONVINCE OF THE TRUTH ,then we are a wasted effort. It doesn't say to forever be trying to convince.....

Don't cast your pearls before swine; since swine CANNOT DISCERN BETWEEN A PEARL & A TURD !

Blessings in Christ Jesus Keturah. There is a spirit behind rebellion. One must have the whole armor of God on, or you will get zinged as I did this week. That will not happen again. But you are absolutely correct, it is long past time to shake the dust off, as they have not received us. If this man has need for an audience, then give him none. And if this doctrine, after this many pages, proves to be non Christian, then it should be moved to the proper forum. Christian Spirituality Forum is the name of this forum. Blessings!

 

[Behold]

Yes very true and I have a library full of commentaries but I use them only after I have given due diligence to my own personal study of a passage or a topic. They are much lower on my list of tools after a concordance ,a lexicon, dictionary.

Yes.

commentaries come from man
revelation comes from God
sometimes they intersect, but often they are not related.

4,500 man made denominations are the result of man not being able to rightly divided the word of God , so he creates a new denomination to prove it.

 

[Lizbeth]

I don’t think it is common at all. Personally I think it is the judgement seat in how we either abuse His body of what has been given for edification by taking our own before another. Like OT testament where they elbowed the disease and sickly out of the way. Or tending one to another. To me there is no escaping gluttony at the Lords table. I don’t mean over eating literal food or drinking of too much literal wine; but in satisfying of yourself and the neglecting of His body, so that you become drunk on the Life given for edification, drinking down damnation…the heart made dark and the eyes go shut, blindness, and the mind staggering. where upon leaving the table…the drinking judges the one consuming, the eating of.
nothing common about the Lord’s table but if the body of Christ is trampled under foot in the taking of the bread come down from heaven, drinking of the blood …it can’t be ignored that if the body of Christ is handled without care but handled deceitfully, the corrupting of His body …they go away in a drunk stupor. No by passing it. To me that makes God the judge of the heart of those who eat of His body. The decider of if we are worthy to eat of the bread and drink of the blood. To me that seems clear that there is not anything common about Table of God. I sincerely mean this and not sarcastically that I do get, it comes off as chasing down rabbit holes. Don’t get me wrong about the table and the “This cup is the New Testament in my blood, shed for you.” I’m not saying literal tables set up at churches is where one drinks and goes away drunk and another hungry. But it could be, since even those tables governed by men say it is His supper, the body of the Word of God, His blood to be taken in…the heart be made manifest, revealed which the Word of God does reveal this. If you would look at what comes out of the eating of the Word of God. There is an obvious “one is drunk” going blind and blinder away into damnation. And another grows hungry. Really have to consider the good news though (even this of the New Testament); the hungry will be satisfied of Me. They will be fed of God. They will be filled. What is the Lord’s table? The Word of God the One we settle closely up to eat of…has the Word ever judged or convicted? Has it ever warned or corrected? Do we grow more drunk…or more sober? Upon partaking of His body does the Word condemn us or justify us?

or tables in buildings where people commune? could be both? because it the Word of God set, communions in buildings; regards also how the Word of God is handled. If the Word is abused and handled deceitfully or handled with care for His bodies sake. No, I don’t think it is common. Not at all. Instead I think there is a dire warning …that no man or woman can escape that to drink and eat unworthy…and you become blind and drunk. Men can’t control this either. Saying who is worthy to drink and eat of Him. God decides who is worthy. Seeing the heart and desires of it. Either opening the eyes or shutting them. Either drunkenness or to be made sober. He judged what and who eats and drinks of “the cup of the New Testament in His blood, shed for you” …that right there ought to tell us also it could be eating and drinking of the New Testament and using (abusing) it for destruction instead of edification… as you use what was given for edification to destroy His Body; drinking of the cup His blood shed; drinking of it unworthy destroys you.

I wish you didn’t think I’ve lost my mind and am a kook. I wish you would at least consider the visual given . In the Old Testament He prepares a table before His enemies calling all…including fowls(not literal ones), including beasts(not literal ones)…all to eat at His great supper. Saying eat …the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ also speaks of this call. Come all, gather round the table. Old Testament shows exactly the staggering and going away stumbling made drunk not sober. Can’t ignore the warning “this is why many are sick and do sleep” NT. Sleep as in; shut their eyes to Christ. Wake up you who sleep? Come boldly before the throne of God, having this confidence…this grateful confidence…are you worthy? Who made you worthy to drink and eat?

Does any of this make sense? Do you deny be careful how you abuse the New Testament in His blood, shed for you”? The warning of trampling of the blood? The precious blood of Christ? I will never look at the pictures of the men gathered around the Lord’s Table the same again. To me it isn’t some fairy tale …but the power of God is revealed all around us.

Peace to you sister, I'm not suggesting that you are, only that that is what that passage is talking about. It is warning essentially that those who do treat the Lord's supper as common, ie, just as ordinary food and drink for satiation of the flesh rather than as something holy and ordained of the Lord, may become subject to judgment or chastisement. But I'm sure as you are saying that we could mine more out of it, just that it's important not to miss or ignore what it is saying on the face of it....since the warning is for our good, that we might profit by it....avoiding serious consequences, and also that we might receive the benefits that communion was given to us for. What is your understanding of what communion is and why Jesus ordained it?..what has the Lord shown you about it?

 

[ChristisGod]

I don’t think it is common at all. Personally I think it is the judgement seat in how we either abuse His body of what has been given for edification by taking our own before another. Like OT testament where they elbowed the disease and sickly out of the way. Or tending one to another. To me there is no escaping gluttony at the Lords table. I don’t mean over eating literal food or drinking of too much literal wine; but in satisfying of yourself and the neglecting of His body, so that you become drunk on the Life given for edification, drinking down damnation…the heart made dark and the eyes go shut, blindness, and the mind staggering. where upon leaving the table…the drinking judges the one consuming, the eating of.
nothing common about the Lord’s table but if the body of Christ is trampled under foot in the taking of the bread come down from heaven, drinking of the blood …it can’t be ignored that if the body of Christ is handled without care but handled deceitfully, the corrupting of His body …they go away in a drunk stupor. No by passing it. To me that makes God the judge of the heart of those who eat of His body. The decider of if we are worthy to eat of the bread and drink of the blood. To me that seems clear that there is not anything common about Table of God. I sincerely mean this and not sarcastically that I do get, it comes off as chasing down rabbit holes. Don’t get me wrong about the table and the “This cup is the New Testament in my blood, shed for you.” I’m not saying literal tables set up at churches is where one drinks and goes away drunk and another hungry. But it could be, since even those tables governed by men say it is His supper, the body of the Word of God, His blood to be taken in…the heart be made manifest, revealed which the Word of God does reveal this. If you would look at what comes out of the eating of the Word of God. There is an obvious “one is drunk” going blind and blinder away into damnation. And another grows hungry. Really have to consider the good news though (even this of the New Testament); the hungry will be satisfied of Me. They will be fed of God. They will be filled. What is the Lord’s table? The Word of God the One we settle closely up to eat of…has the Word ever judged or convicted? Has it ever warned or corrected? Do we grow more drunk…or more sober? Upon partaking of His body does the Word condemn us or justify us?

or tables in buildings where people commune? could be both? because it the Word of God set, communions in buildings; regards also how the Word of God is handled. If the Word is abused and handled deceitfully or handled with care for His bodies sake. No, I don’t think it is common. Not at all. Instead I think there is a dire warning …that no man or woman can escape that to drink and eat unworthy…and you become blind and drunk. Men can’t control this either. Saying who is worthy to drink and eat of Him. God decides who is worthy. Seeing the heart and desires of it. Either opening the eyes or shutting them. Either drunkenness or to be made sober. He judged what and who eats and drinks of “the cup of the New Testament in His blood, shed for you” …that right there ought to tell us also it could be eating and drinking of the New Testament and using (abusing) it for destruction instead of edification… as you use what was given for edification to destroy His Body; drinking of the cup His blood shed; drinking of it unworthy destroys you.

I wish you didn’t think I’ve lost my mind and am a kook. I wish you would at least consider the visual given . In the Old Testament He prepares a table before His enemies calling all…including fowls(not literal ones), including beasts(not literal ones)…all to eat at His great supper. Saying eat …the Book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ also speaks of this call. Come all, gather round the table. Old Testament shows exactly the staggering and going away stumbling made drunk not sober. Can’t ignore the warning “this is why many are sick and do sleep” NT. Sleep as in; shut their eyes to Christ. Wake up you who sleep? Come boldly before the throne of God, having this confidence…this grateful confidence…are you worthy? Who made you worthy to drink and eat?

Does any of this make sense? Do you deny be careful how you abuse the New Testament in His blood, shed for you”? The warning of trampling of the blood? The precious blood of Christ? I will never look at the pictures of the men gathered around the Lord’s Table the same again. To me it isn’t some fairy tale …but the power of God is revealed all around us.

1 Corinthians 11
For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.” 25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.” 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. 31 But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. 32 Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.


There is nothing above about drunkeness in the passage. Its about discernment or the lack thereof while taking /participating in the Lords Supper. Its about examining our own hearts before the Lord before taking the communion with the saints.

 

[Behold]

What is your understanding of what communion is and why Jesus ordained it?..what has the Lord shown you about it?

God does not judge you for taking communion with a wrong understanding or taking it and you didnt walk on water on the way to the cup.

There is a really foul teaching out there that says if you take the "C" incorrectly, God sends in the damnation.

Look.....here is how to understand it.

"many become sick because they do not discern the Lord's body". "correctly".

Let me paraphrase.

We take the communion correctly when we understand that the Cross has made us worthy to partake of the Lord.
And when we dont understand that we are made worthy, by the Cross, then we take communion wrongly, not discerning that the Lord's blood and body, is our very righteousness that we are celebrating reverently as "taking the Communion".

See that?

And many be sick, not by taking the Communion, unworthily, but because they dont understand that HEALTH is IN the Blood and Body of Jesus.

= "by Jesus's STRIPES we were HEALED"..

 

[VictoryinJesus]

We were discussing Philippians 3. But thanks anyways.

I can discuss Philippians 3 also.
Philippians 3:13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,


What is forgetting those things behind, and reaching forth unto those things before?
Is this leaving behind evil report, dishonor, as deceivers, unknown, dying, chastened, sorrowful, poor, as having nothing …reaching forth to attain the Resurrection of Christ which is Life: honor, good report, yet true, yet well known (as Alive unto God), behold, we Live (the resurrection of Christ), chastened but not killed, yet always rejoicing, making many rich in Him, yet possessing all things.
2 Corinthians 6:7-10 reaching forward to the High calling of God.

I see a child, a birth, a transformation of one walking clean out of his own shoes, stripping his own clothing away to bare nakedness, coming out of evil report, coming out of dishonor, coming out of as deceivers, unknown, dying, chastened, sorrowful, poor, as having nothing…a trail put behind him….walking toward New and better things chastened but not killed, always rejoicing, not in what was left behind but what is forward possessing all things, of good report, Alive unto God.