How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Eternally Grateful]

But what you don’t seem to get is, beyond that which is written …and the alleged of going beyond that which is written…is based off an interpretation. Your interpretation. And only yours. There are others here on the board from different denominations, that disagree with the opposite interpretation just as convinced their interpretations are correct. So to me that makes your “I am right” Or “we are right” in your own eyes. Because others would disagree just as convinced they are right in their own eyes. So I’m being genuine that if while reading the word something stands out to me, something speaks to me. Who makes you the authority of truth and nothing but the truth. Who gives you the right as all-knowing to where if it doesn’t fit with your interpretation, then “let us toss it out”as beyond the word of God. I could go on and on with you but I would never be heard, because if it doesn’t fit your perspective…then it has no value to you. But whether or not it has value…isn’t only decided by you. You say we are test the spirits. I acknowledge this too. What if my testing is this is of men and not of God? Am I free to say this to you, the same as you voiced your opinion as being “from another spirit”? Or are you the only one that has that Liberty? Again, I am baffled at how sternly you push “my understanding is all there is”. Or at least that is what I feel like is pushed, which you will most likely disagree. Asking where did you come up with that from? When did I claim to be all-knowing? …by the lines drawn, the boundaries set, as the decider of what is beyond the written word. If it doesn’t fit in this box, then I say it is beyond what is written!

The problem is people who supposedly have a different interpretation are unable to explain their interpretation

once again, I gave you two passages in the past few days and asked you to explain them. All i got was crickets.

How can we see someone elses interpretation when they will nto even break it down for us?

 

[marks]

So I’m being genuine that if while reading the word something stands out to me, something speaks to me. Who makes you the authority of truth and nothing but the truth. Who gives you the right as all-knowing to where if it doesn’t fit with your interpretation, then “let us toss it out”as beyond the word of God.

Do you think the Bible says a certain thing? That there is an objective truth to be learned? If so, that is the answer. Either the Bible says it, or it doesn't.

I've found, over and over, that disagreements over the meanings of Scripture, if someone is willing to actually follow a discussion through to the end, it will be because one or the other person is looking at a passage, and though reading this, says it means that.

If you think that the Bible can mean different things to different people, and they are all correct, even if they conflict, then who is anyone to say whether someone understands correctly? But if you think that the Bible teaches certain particular teachings, then we should learn what that is, right?

Even if we turn out to be mistaken?

Much love!

 

[VictoryinJesus]

The problem is people who supposedly have a different interpretation are unable to explain their interpretation

once again, I gave you two passages in the past few days and asked you to explain them. All i got was crickets.

How can we see someone elses interpretation when they will nto even break it down for us?

I typed out a reply to you multiple times yesterday but then deleted it. For the same reason I gave… every time it is same. That it doesn’t fit within our interpretation! It is like that quote that says: insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. When you say I can’t refute and won’t ….your hearing crickets. Why would I when I know the result will be the same? That is how concrete the perspective is. yes. Nothing else can get through. Yet you say …why are you not trying? Assuming even…the reason I’m not trying is because I must see you are right.

 

[Jim B]

Not the way I see it.

Then you need to read the Bible. All of Jesus disciples were Jews (as was Jesus Himself). The first believers -- later called Christians -- were almost all Jews. The entire Bible was written by Jews (with the sole exception of Luke-Acts). Gentiles came in later.

What is your reason for seeing it otherwise?

 

[Jim B]

so what is positive or uplifting about this post?

What is positive or uplifting about your post?

 

[ChristisGod]

I do not need to tell you about religious people. All you have to do is look into the mirror.

And see. Once again, You can;t get a post out without calling someone a name.. Yet you claim you are a holy one of God.

I would just ignore the trolling and provoking. The moderators will handle it.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I typed out a reply to you multiple times yesterday but then deleted it. For the same reason I gave… every time it is same. That it doesn’t fit within our interpretation! It is like that quote that says: insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. When you say I can’t refute and won’t ….your hearing crickets. Why would I when I know the result will be the same? That is how concrete the perspective is. yes. Nothing else can get through. Yet you say …why are you not trying? Assuming even…the reason I’m not trying is because I must see you are right.

It is easy to take a passage. And break it down. All we have to do is copy the passage, and past it. Then highlight key phrases and words. And give an explanation of what these things mean. In the end, take all of these things and give an explanation of the passage.

On tghe other hand, when someone jakes john 3, Posts one or two verses. Then runs to many other passages, and claims this is what it mean. And then claimed someone who actually breaks the passage down buying into some religion or something.

Then we can determine that person does not really want to know what the passage is saying, he just wants the passage to see what he wants.

Another thing we see is people who just tell you you are wrong. Without explaining in the passage what they see different,, they just say you’re wrong. its your ego talking, Your following religion etc etc etc.

This is another person to whom we can say has an agenda other than really trying to figure out what the passage says, they turn to deflecting or going in circles.

This is what we see in chat rooms.. Not just this chat room. I have witnessed it for years in many different chat rooms.

There is one truth, there are not many truths. We should all be seeking to find that one truth..

 

[Jim B]

When you can look at your posts. and repent at the way you talk to people. Come talk to me..

You talk about holiness. and power over sin, But you can;t even repent of your own sin.

You can't talk to someone without calling them a name.. That's what religious people do..

so what is positive or uplifting about this post?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

What is positive or uplifting about your post?

So your going to deflect.

Wee see how it is..

If you’re going to chasten one person. You need to chasten everyone.

 

[Jim B]

So your going to deflect.

Wee see how it is..

If you’re going to chasten one person. You need to chasten everyone.

Do you realize what you wrote?

a) Your English is sloppy. So "your" going to deflect and "Wee" see how it is? Even if you correct the grammar, do you have multiple personalities?

b) Why is it necessary to chasten everyone? Even Jesus didn't find that necessary most of the time.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you realize what you wrote?

a) Your English is sloppy. So "your" going to deflect and "Wee" see how it is? Even if you correct the grammar, do you have multiple personalities?

b) Why is it necessary to chasten everyone? Even Jesus didn't find that necessary most of the time.

dude, if your only going to chasten one side,. You’re not worth discussing with and you are not worth listening to. You become a hypocrite..

Good day ,You have nothing for me.

 

[Stumpmaster]

All i got was crickets.

What? No locusts or grasshoppers? Too bad . . .

 

[ChristisGod]

What? No locusts or grasshoppers? Too bad . . .

haha

 

[Jim B]

dude, if your only going to chasten one side,. You’re not worth discussing with and you are not worth listening to. You become a hypocrite..

Good day ,You have nothing for me.

Oka, then put me on "ignore" and do us both a favor.

 

[Waiting on him]

b) Why is it necessary to chasten everyone? Even Jesus didn't find that necessary most of the time.

Jesus wasn’t a bigot.

 

[Jim B]

Jesus wasn’t a bigot.

What do you mean by that? Although it has a negative connotation, Jesus was clearly opposed to certain groups of people: the Pharisees, Sadducees, and other "religious" groups.

"An example of bigotry is disliking people because of their culture, intolerance or prejudice, especially religious or racial."

 

[Johann]

I delete posts routinely. It's not uncommon for me to write a post, then look over it, and find that it falls short in some way. I've never regretted deleting a post, but I have regretted posting a post at times.

Much love!

Told you I am a late starter brother-years of "leaven" and still not perfect, but I do pray some will see fruit and not the old Johann joining this Forum.
Later
1:05 AM
Love you brother
J.

 

[Waiting on him]

Then you need to read the Bible. All of Jesus disciples were Jews (as was Jesus Himself). The first believers -- later called Christians -- were almost all Jews. The entire Bible was written by Jews (with the sole exception of Luke-Acts). Gentiles came in later.

What is your reason for seeing it otherwise?

Why would we need a church in this day and time

 

[Waiting on him]

What do you mean by that? Although it has a negative connotation, Jesus was clearly opposed to certain groups of people: the Pharisees, Sadducees, and other "religious" groups.

"An example of bigotry is disliking people because of their culture, intolerance or prejudice, especially religious or racial."

Yeah, simply hating someone because of what they chose to believe? Many here hate those whom do not see things as they do.

 

[marks]

Told you I am a late starter brother-years of "leaven" and still not perfect, but I do pray some will see fruit and not the old Johann joining this Forum.
Later
1:05 AM
Love you brother
J.

I see the fruit in you! And we're all still on the Way. Notice it's called the Way, and not the Destination?

Much love! And sweet sleep!