How are we to reckon ourselves as being dead to sin?

[Waiting on him]

Was the "good" Samaritan a saint? or did he simply (but righteously) care for others as himself?

The saint must hate his wife, mother, father , brother, sister... in comparison to Christ.

There is NO indicator that to love one's neighbour one must love the Lord more. The saint has a higher purpose. The righteous are far more common.

For me I can only put this into perspective one way?

Given what was going on in the first century in that region. One had to really love Jesus and all he spoke to walk away from all their kinsmen in order to follow him. The parable of the soils is all founded in what was really the state of the heart inside of them. Their entire culture evolved around Judaism.


It took a new kinda heart to walk away from this religion and follow Jesus outside of this culture. Their turning from it 180* meant losing all things. They family that remained in it position, wages, even the bare necessities, as James came too know there at the church in Jerusalem. They were literally starving due to being ostracized.

They never returned to the world they knew. They remained faithful to God in the face of dire adversity. This is a my wife said an all consuming fire that purged all their chaff.

The weeds and thorns were burned away, God removed the stony heart, and cultivated the ground in them where seed was cast and then fruit was received.

 

[ChristisGod]

You are missing the distinction between doing what is right in a temporal perspective and being a disciple of Christ. These would seem to be at odds with each other...until you realize that they are in completely different categories.

Notice this...

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Eph. 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Rather than getting all dogmatic and only looking at one side of the equation...look at the difference between the righteous and the holy.

The fallacy known as a false dichotomy.

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[marks]

While you meditate on this--
Let him do unrighteousness still (adikēsatō eti). First aorist (constative) active imperative of adikeō, viewed here as a whole.

Verb
Tense: Present
Voice: Active
Mood: Participle
Case: Nominative (subject; predicate nominative)
Number: Singular
Gender: Masculine

--to be unjust still--
Verb
Tense: Aorist
Voice: Active
Mood: iMperative
Person: third [he/she/it]
Number: Singular


soil--to soil. Same morphology
δικαιοσυνην
G1343
N-ASF
δικαιοσύνη
equity
ποιησατω
G4160
V-AAM-3S
ποιέω
to make

δικαιωθητω
G1344
V-APM-3S
δικαιόω
just

The language is probably ironical, with a reminder of Dan_12:10, in no sense a commendation of their lost estate. Charles rejects this verse as not like John. It is the hopelessness of the final state of the wicked which is here pictured.

So as to “Let him be made filthy still” (rupanthētō eti). First aorist (constative) passive imperative of rupainō, old verb, to make foul or filthy (from rupos, filth, 1Pe_3:21, as is ruparos, filthy), here only in N.T.

The use of eti is not perfectly clear, whether “still” or “yet more.” It is the time when Christ has shut the door to those outside who are now without hope (Mat_25:10; Luk_13:25).

Ruparos occurs elsewhere in N.T. only in Jas_2:2, and ruparia (filthiness) only in Jas_1:21. So then “the righteous” (ho dikaios) is to do righteousness still (dikaiosunēn poiēsatō eti, first constative aorist active imperative of poieō) and “the holy” (ho hagios) to be made holy still (hagiasthētō eti, first constative aorist passive imperative of hagiazō). The states of both the evil and the good are now fixed forever. There is no word here about a “second chance” hereafter.
Robertson

What Greek bible are you using--I like the word parsing--and is it available on e Sword?

I am no scholar, just trying to assist, no pride, concerned, but no pride.

I'm looking at Scripture4all.org. You can download it, or view online.

And thank you as always for posting these things!

Much love!

 

[Waiting on him]

@Episkopos its really very Odd too me

In the first century Christ following Jews were born out of religion.
Today Christ following folk are born into religion.

 

[Johann]

I'm looking at Scripture4all.org. You can download it, or view online.

And thank you as always for posting these things!

Much love!

Thank you marks-I will have a look at it.
God bless you and family brother
Johann.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You are missing the distinction between doing what is right in a temporal perspective and being a disciple of Christ. These would seem to be at odds with each other...until you realize that they are in completely different categories.

Notice this...

Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

Eph. 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Rather than getting all dogmatic and only looking at one side of the equation...look at the difference between the righteous and the holy.

well thank you. But I do not look it it in a religious way as you do.

I understand the word “hate” in hebrew means love less

He is saying literally. Unless we Love Jesus above all others. We can not be a disciple..

He never said we must hate anyone. He tells us to love our enemies

when you get away from religion and look to the word. It opens up

 

[Episkopos]

The fallacy known as a false dichotomy.

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That's unbiblical. You are not providing any verses to support your error.

I use scripture to prove what I say. You respond as any unbeliever would. No support beyond your opinion. And you expect your cohorts to agree with you and support your flesh?

Hope this helps!

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[ChristisGod]

That's unbiblical. You are not providing any verses to support your error.

I use scripture to prove what I say. You respond as any unbeliever would. No support beyond your opinion. And you expect your cohorts to agree with you and support your flesh?

Hope this helps!

next...

Projecting again with yet another fallacy as you are the one who doesn’t use scripture.

 

[marks]

Exactly. :)

This?

Rocky / Unjust - the devil eats the word before it gets in - cast into the lake of fire
Shallow / filthy - happy to have the word, but unwilling to suffer - cast into outer darkness
Thorny / Righteous - Cares of the world make the word unfruitful - live among the "saved of the nations"
Good / Holy - Receives the word and bears fruit - lives in the holy city

Only the fourth soil was fruitful, though. Faith without works is dead. Only the fourth soil has a living faith. The other soils remain dead.

Was the "good" Samaritan a saint? or did he simply (but righteously) care for others as himself?

The saint must hate his wife, mother, father , brother, sister... in comparison to Christ.

There is NO indicator that to love one's neighbour one must love the Lord more. The saint has a higher purpose. The righteous are far more common.

Righteousness in the weedy soil? The righteous are scarcely saved. They care for people...the second commandment...the "royal law". But the cares are all on the temporal plane. They don't love God more than all. They don't know God. These, from an eternal perspective, lack the requisite CLEAVING to God of the first commandment.

In the parable of the good Samaritan, whether he was a "saint" or not is not addressed.

Concerning the thorny soil, it sounds like you are making the argument that they remain unsaved, unregenerate. But that seems to conflict with what you said before, so I'm not sure what you are saying here.

In them, the word is unfruitful, simply stated.

Amen! This understanding opens up a lot of possibilities...to be able to be righteous or holy without falling into the trap of self-righteousness and false judgment.

Yes, we are imputed righteousness, and imparted righteousness. Forgiveness, and regeneration. It comes from God, not ourselves. This is yet one more passage which substantiates this foundational truth.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

well thank you. But I do not look it it in a religious way as you do.

I understand the word “hate” in hebrew means love less

He is saying literally. Unless we Love Jesus above all others. We can not be a disciple..

He never said we must hate anyone. He tells us to love our enemies

when you get away from religion and look tot he word. It opens up

Your understanding is very shallow. Once you get over your opinion....realize that the NT is written in Greek....not Hebrew. But that's just the beginning of your errors. Jesus is making a comparison...that takes people beyond what is doing right in a temporal way. Being spiritual in Christ takes you beyond human norms.

 

[ChristisGod]

L

That's unbiblical. You are not providing any verses to support your error.

I use scripture to prove what I say. You respond as any unbeliever would. No support beyond your opinion. And you expect your cohorts to agree with you and support your flesh?

Hope this helps!

next...

what is really unbiblical is your screen name since they were never self appointed but were by the church. it’s yet another oxymoron/ contradiction .

 

[Episkopos]

L

what is really unbiblical is your screen name since they were never self appointed but were by the church. it’s yet another oxymoron/ contradiction .

The pot calling the kettle. No one here would mistake your fleshly antics with someone who had a "Christophany" unless it was a delusion that offered you life in your sin.

 

[ChristisGod]

The pot calling the kettle. No one here would mistake your fleshly antics with someone who had a "Christophany" unless it was a delusion that offered you life in your sin.

Christophany is about Christ , overseer who is self appointed and an authority unto himself is bringing glory to the flesh , the pride of life , the ego.

 

[Johann]

@Episkopos its really very Odd too me

In the first century Christ following Jews were born out of religion.
Today Christ following folk are born into religion.

And thank you as always for posting these things!

Just sift out the errors as I know you have discernment brother.
Johann.

 

[Episkopos]

Christophany is about Christ , overseer who is self appointed and an authority unto himself is bringing glory to the flesh , the pride of life , the ego.

"One cannot predict, much less forestall all the clever misinterpretations that others might put on one's words. The most that can be done is to alert honest people to the problem." Thomas Sowell

 

[Waiting on him]

Just sift out the errors as I know you have discernment brother.
Johann.

I’ve prepared I little musical snack for you. I hope you like it.

 

[Johann]

Just sift out the errors as I know you have discernment brother.
Johann.

I’ve prepared I little musical snack for you. I hope you like it.

I still play my guitar-and funny enough-enjoy Johnny Cash

 

[ChristisGod]

well thank you. But I do not look it it in a religious way as you do.

I understand the word “hate” in hebrew means love less

He is saying literally. Unless we Love Jesus above all others. We can not be a disciple..

He never said we must hate anyone. He tells us to love our enemies

when you get away from religion and look tot he word. It opens up

Yes biblical words in the Greek are much more nuanced than their English counterparts. Hate means to love less in the context or to favor one over another . That’s the meaning of miseo in the Greek.

 

[Waiting on him]

I still play my guitar-and funny enough-enjoy Johnny Cash

How do you reconcile this scripture. isn’t worshiped with man’s hands

My wife shared this with me earlier

Acts 17:24-25 KJV
[24] God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; [25] Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

Amigo keeps telling me too raise my hands?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Your understanding is very shallow. Once you get over your opinion....

lol. Shallow. Yet your belief is the one no one can find written down for thousands of years

realize that the NT is written in Greek....not Hebrew.

Jesus spoke to hebrews, he used the same wording

But that's just the beginning of your errors. Jesus is making a comparison...that takes people beyond what is doing right in a temporal way. Being spiritual in Christ takes you beyond human norms.

Your trying to get to god of your own righteousness.. Thats why you can’t see what is being said.