BarneyFife
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It may be that I'm a little too careful to "abstain from all appearance of evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:22).
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Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?
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It may be that I'm a little too careful to "abstain from all appearance of evil" (1 Thessalonians 5:22).
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The Lord Himself has been known to do this...
Proverbs 1:22-33
How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?
Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.
Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh;
When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.
Psalms 2:2-4
The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
GracePeace
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Jesus Himself sarcastically mocked the Pharisees:
1. "Do everything they say... but do not do as they do!" lol
2. "You're not lost, right, so why would heaven rejoice and party over you like I'm doing with these penitent sinners?" (Lk 15)
Yep, the Lord call herod a "fox" which kinda sounded like Jesus was saying herod was a sissy or effeminate 
Triumph1300
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Well, whatever..going away, or not...it means nothing.
They all end up in hell according to the bible I am reading.
Their attempts are are foolish and useless.
There.....I said it plain and simple, no ear tickling here!
Take it or leave......your choice.
Romans 1:24-28 Is very clear.
I don't even understand why this issue is up for discussion. And all born again Christians know!
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St. SteVen
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I'm not joking. This isn't going away.
The church needs to gain some understanding.
Use this link to find all the gay-friendly churches in your area.
Is your church on the list? - LOL
The Bible, Christianity and Homosexuality - GayChurch.org
Why do we single out one sin to make that claim?
--- Parody ---
Conversation between Christian protester and doughnut shop patron. (customer)
Patron: What are doing picketing a donut shop?
Protester: I'm protesting the sin of gluttony.
Patron: Why on earth would you do that?
Protester: Gluttony is a sin, this has to stop.
Patron: Not everyone who buys a donut is a glutton.
Protester: We can't say that for sure.
Patron: Don't you have gluttony at your church?
Protester: No, we kicked them all out, unless they would repent.
Patron: Wow, for eating donuts?
Protester: No, gluttony takes many forms.
Patron: Right, like a church pot-luck dinner?
Protester: Exactly, they are banned at our church.
Patron: Did you know that some people are born with
weight-gain issues they will never get ahead of?
Protester: That's no excuse. Sin is sin.
Patron: You look exhausted, can I buy you a donut?
Protester: Sure, just don't tell the church.
Patron: Your secret's safe with me.
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Triumph1300
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Nice try. Garbage!
You have to come up with something better, not this junk.
In case you have a bible, read it instead of pulling junk off the internet.
Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth
because they don't want their illusions destroyed.
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10 "...the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God... Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous [lusting for what you must not have], nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners..."
Romans 1:26-27 "...vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful..."
And as Jesus taught in Mark 10:6 and quoting Genesis, that "from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'"
And in Mark 7:21 "out of the heart of men proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, sexual immorality, murders..." And Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you... for you... have neglected the weightier matters of the law" ....
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BarneyFife
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I could think of worse things of which to be proud, but I try to stick with 'grateful.' I'm not planning on commandeering a month out of the year or planning a Christian Pride parade or anything.
I guarantee it'll be over before you know it.
To be fair, I hear that larceny, homicide, disrespect to parents, etc., are making big comebacks, too. I wonder how a Five-Finger Discount Church would go over. First Epicurean Church?
Of course, homosexuality doesn't have its own commandment to flout. It has to share with hetero perversions, etc., and the over-arching concept of basic relationship intimacy, loyalty, and purity.
I think "attempt" is a good choice of words. I'm not sure what the questions are, though. Everything seems so straightforward to me.
Keep in mind that I've had some skin in this game and I've spent some time in the trenches, so I don't make these remarks lightly.
Some of this will seem kind of harsh, I'm sure, but some folks just love Jesus and want to find more ways to please Him in keeping His commandments (the new C-word); others: not so much, I guess. I don't level this charge at anyone in particular. I just think it bears noting, in a general sense.
I'm all wrapped up in God's mercy, so I don't fear condemnation at the sight or sound of His requirements. The more I try to obey Him within this framework (which, at the risk of understating, I highly recommend to folks), the more happy and contented I find myself becoming. It's ironically, I suppose, liberating.
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Hazelelponi
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They allow a pro-homosexual stance to be taken on this website?
Color me completely shocked!
Color me completely shocked!
Triumph1300
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Looks like it.
Most good solid Christian posters from years gone by have left.
Well, God's Word does say there is a falling away in the last days.... anyone taking a "pro-homosexual stance" are those with tendencies towards this type of sexual perversion so it's no wonder they would advocate for such
St. SteVen
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If LGBT is a passing fad then the church need not worry about it, right?
To be fair, larceny, homicide, disrespect to parents, etc., are obviously harmful. And larceny and homicide are illegal.
However homosexuality, and even same-sex marriage is not illegal in most states. (as I understand it)
Have you ever been personally harmed by LGBT?
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St. SteVen
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To be clear, I am not promoting homosexuality.
I am however calling the church to be more aware of LGBT issues as it effects the church.
LGBT is a people group that feels alienated from the church.
I hope we can do better than that.
Here's a topic that better explains my position.
WWJD with LGBTQ?
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BarneyFife
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BarneyFife
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What makes you think I believe it's a passing fad?
I thought you were in favor of the church taking it more seriously.
Should we be concerned only with things that are the most obviously harmful?
We're not gonna do that thing where we respond to each other with each other's first few words ("To be fair,"), are we?
I hate that.
This seems like a peripheral issue, SS.
Yes, I have.
Skin in the game, in the trenches... mPost #1776 (That's the spirit!)
But I wouldn't judge a practice by whether or not it harmed me personally. Would you?
I've never been murdered; my wife has never committed adultery against me; my children have always respected me...
Would opposing LGBT ideology be okay for me, since I've been harmed by it personally?
The experience had no effect on my beliefs at all, that I can recall. I'm very careful about that.
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St. SteVen
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St. SteVen said:
This issue is not going away anytime soon.
St. SteVen said:
If LGBT is a passing fad then the church need not worry about it, right?
Your response is above. "I guarantee it'll be over before you know it." - BarneyFife
Perhaps I misunderstood you?
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This issue is not going away anytime soon.
Your response.
St. SteVen said:
If LGBT is a passing fad then the church need not worry about it, right?
I do think the church should be taking it more seriously.
Your response is above. "I guarantee it'll be over before you know it." - BarneyFife
Perhaps I misunderstood you?
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St. SteVen
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Sorry. Duly noted.
I think it makes a good "apples to apples" comparison.
But, it can be seen as a bit sarcastic, to be fair. - LOL
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St. SteVen
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GracePeace
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Is the Church supposed to, as Jesus did, reach out to all sorts of penitent sinners?
Yes.
Is the Church instructed to "purge the evil man from among you"--if someone says he is a brother, but lives in sin, to have nothing to do with him, not even eat?
Yes.
Both are true.
We do not throw pity parties for impenitent evildoers, though.
You act as if this is something new. It's not. As Solomon said, there's nothing new under the sun. Those same things were going on when the early church was formed. So what did they do back then? They lifted up a standard. We are not to conform to this world. All are welcome, but not if they want us to conform to their sins.
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