Homosexuality: Wrong or Right?

[Scott Downey]

Only those that suffer from acute Cherry Pickers Syndrome.... believe that.

Here's a list of scriptures that prove what you said to be wrong:

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

*God choose EVERYONE... not just some... to be able to get Saved because he had foreknowledge of all that would be born.... see scriptures below that verify this! Sadly, not many choose to come to him...

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Actually, none of those verses in your list prove God does not grant us to know the truth and be saved. They are all very generalized and also your understanding of some is poor.

 

[Scott Downey]

Romans 8:29,30
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

*God choose EVERYONE... not just some... to be able to get Saved because he had foreknowledge of all that would be born.... see scriptures below that verify this! Sadly, not many choose to come to him...

Uh, no this is not that kind of knowledge 'whom he foreknew' meaning knew as in a saving relationship with them

Ephesians 5:1
Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children

Addressed to the believing church

Romans 1:19-21
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Generalized knowledge to all men that God made the world, nothing to do with salvation

Titus 2:11,12
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

Christ is the savior of all men, Especially those who BELEIVE, no believing, no saving. Christ and the apostles shown to all the world, does not mean everyone is saved

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Peter is writing to believers only, the beloved ELECT of God, God is not willing any of them perish and they won't

Acts 17:30
And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

It is only fair, but the command does not imply they will or that they are enabled to do so.

John 12:32
And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

God did the drawing of men to Christ so that they believed in Christ, now Christ does the drawing of ALL MEN WHO WILL BE SAVED

Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Christ died and descended into hades that all who believe will gain eternal life

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Again, a stated fact that whosoever believes will be saved. It does not imply they will do that or even can do it. Satan has blinded the unsaved....
2 Cor 4
3 But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

 

[St. SteVen]

Facts to come to grips with.

Biological sex is determined between our legs at birth. (genitalia)
Gender identity is determined INDIVIDUALLY between our ears.
Which doesn't always match our biological sex.

Statistically, 1 in 1,500, or 1 in 2,000 babies born don't conform to this
biological sex assignment at birth. (intersex/hermaphrodite)

Source

Intersex Babies: Boy or Girl and Who Decides?

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[Big Boy Johnson]

Actually, none of those verses in your list prove God does not grant us to know the truth and be saved. They are all very generalized and also your understanding of some is poor.

These verses prove limited atonement is... false doctrine.

 

[Scott Downey]

That's what the devil keeps claiming!

Christ and you dont agree on the things he clearly said as facts.
Like this here,
Luke 10
21 In that hour Jesus rejoiced in the Spirit and said, “I thank You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and prudent and revealed them to babes. Even so, Father, for so it seemed good in Your sight.

22 All[g] things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows who the Son is except the Father, and who the Father is except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.”

The fact that many people do not know Christ proves the Godhood did not will the unbelieving to know themselves (Christ and God). And this agrees with Christ's words in John 6.
If they die unbelieving, then God and Christ's will was they not be saved and so they are not saved.

God commands all men to repent and believe in the Son, but that does not mean He wills it by decree that they know Himself.

 

[St. SteVen]

The comments in my previous post were inspired by this video.

What kindergarteners taught me about gender | Batya Greenwald | TEDxCU​

194,849 views May 15, 2015
Children begin to form a sense of gender identity between the ages of two and three. Cultural indoctrination or self-expression?
With surprising and touching stories about children and the continuum of gender, kindergarten teacher Batya Greenwald straightens you
out about all the ways you never knew you were bent. Her stories from 15 years of observing children might help you be a better
guide to all children--even the one inside yourself--allowing you to be fuller in expression and more uniquely who you are meant to be.
Batya Greenwald is a Nationally Board Certified Teacher with more than 15 years of experience teaching elementary school and kindergarten.
She is a lead faculty member for the PassageWorks Institute, a nonprofit organization which teaches educators to integrate social,
emotional and academic learning, mindfulness, and cultural responsiveness (passageworks.org). Batya also facilitates courses for
Girls Leadership Institute, teaching girls and their parents how express who they are and what they believe,
and empowering them to create change in their world (girlsleadership.org).

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[St. SteVen]

God commands all men to repent and believe in the Son, but that does not mean He wills it by decree that they know Himself.

Agree.
But you guys are WAY off topic. For how many pages now?

/ @Big Boy Johnson

 

[Wrangler]

So we should observe the old testament on subjects like rape and blood sacrifice and slavery and polygamy.

Adept you are at missing the point. Our species survives through time via heterosexual reproduction. That's science. That's God's design.

You just don't want to admit homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible.

Everything else you write is just a distraction.

 

[Wrangler]

Here's another one. A parent of a transgender child. Again, recognized at a very young age.
What will happen when this becomes the norm? How will the church respond? How will you respond?

Not sure why you are taking up this banner. The evidence shows transgenderism is a social contagion. Girls identifying as boys has gone up 10,000% in the last decade. It is not real, meaning it is not a sudden collapse in the mental health of our population.

It's the hip thing. Recognized at a very young age? PUL-EASE.

 

[St. SteVen]

--- PARODY ---

Church Greeter: Welcome to church!
Church Visitor: Thanks, my first time here.
Church Greeter: Great, we are glad you are here. One question...
Church Visitor: Uh, okay. What is it?
Church Greeter: Are you LGBTQIA+ ?
Church Visitor: Um... that's not one thing, that's at least seven things. ???
Church Greeter: We just ask that you leave that at the door when you enter this holy place.
Church Visitor: Seriously?
Church Greeter: Yes, the Bible tells us that those things are evil, we want no evil here.
Church Visitor: You do know that there is a HUGE difference between LGBQ and TIA, right?
Church Greeter: Nope, all one thing to us. Sinful, very sinful.
Church Visitor: You can argue that LGBQ is not genetic, but clearly TIA are genetic.
Church Greeter: Sorry, I'm not studied in these things.
Church Visitor: Obviously.
Church Greeter: Are you LGBTQIA+, or not?
Church Visitor: I'm pretty sure this isn't going to work. Goodbye.

Indeed. What's wrong with this picture?

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[Wrangler]

--- PARODY ---

Church Greeter: Welcome to church!
Church Visitor: Approve of my sexual deviancy as normal or I'll call you names.

Indeed. What's wrong with this picture?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Church Greeter: Welcome to church!
Church Visitor: Approve of my sexual deviancy as normal or I'll call you names.
OSAS Pastor: No problem, we believe Jesus forgives all future sins even before they are committed so feel free to let yo freak flag fly and get all freaky deaky up in here!

 

[BarneyFife]

I appreciate that fact that you are doing your homework on this to understand BOTH sides of the issue.
And you have been supportive all along in terms of not marginalizing LGBTQ people.

That's really nice of you to say, SS, but it does make me wonder why we couldn't just skip the gnat-straining. Surely you know what I mean.

If I were a federal prosecutor, I'd rather get the guy who has the diamond smuggling habit than the kid who just barely knows that lifting a candy bar is a really bad idea.

I'm sure this little analogy will afford me another salutary blindsiding dose of venom from the peanut gallery.

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[St. SteVen]

I'm sure this little analogy will afford me another salutary blindsiding dose of venom from the peanut gallery.

We be sufferin' fer Jesus, bro. - LOL

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[St. SteVen]

That's really nice of you to say, SS, but it does make me wonder why we couldn't just skip the gnat-straining. Surely you know what I mean.

I've watched several of these testimony videos of the parents that have gone through the transgender aspect.
In the past I have always questioned the claim that they are born that way. But obviously when these little children are
indicating a gender preference at the ages of 3 to 5 years old, it's clearly not a matter of peer pressure.
As I said early on, this is a very complex issue, made MUCH more difficult by hundreds of years of prejudice
and presumption from church folk with all their Bible thumping and condemnation. For shame.

I turned over this rock and looked what crawled out. Not grace.

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[St. SteVen]

... it does make me wonder why we couldn't just skip the gnat-straining.

Yeah, I get it.
But I stop to consider whether a Bible interpretation is wrong when it violates what I know about the character of God.
Perhaps we are too quick to accept the status quo when we need to dig deeper. ???

What does Jesus want us to do with these marginalized people? Did he ignore the lepers in his time?
They called Jesus a glutton and wine-biber because he hung out with these folks.
But we don't want them in our churches UNLESS they clean up their act.

There was actually discussion at my church about whether we would
allow a transgender person to use a rest room that didn't match there birth sex.
Because church folks would freak out about a pervert in the rest room. !!!!

We have clearly lost our rudder.

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[BarneyFife]

We be sufferin' fer Jesus, bro. - LOL

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You betcha, Pal. ;)

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[TinMan]

Adept you are at missing the point. Our species survives through time via heterosexual reproduction. That's science. That's God's design.

You just don't want to admit homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible.

Everything else you write is just a distraction.

the point is that the Old Testament has much to say about rape and blood sacrifice and slavery and polygamy but you don't want those passages brought up in dealing with such issues today. But you do want to use the Old Testament to justify bigotry against one minority of people...a group of people you choose to hate.

 

[TinMan]

Adept you are at missing the point. Our species survives through time via heterosexual reproduction. That's science. That's God's design.

You just don't want to admit homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible.

Everything else you write is just a distraction.

Still waiting for you to tell us all why 8 year old Gabriel was evil.

 

[TinMan]

Not sure why you are taking up this banner. The evidence shows transgenderism is a social contagion.

I would ask you to share that evidence but you would just do what you always do when asked to back up your claims, you lie and say you already presented it.

Girls identifying as boys has gone up 10,000% in the last decade.

Bull

It is not real,

your numbers are not real

meaning it is not a sudden collapse in the mental health of our population.

It's the hip thing. Recognized at a very young age? PUL-EASE.

That isn't real either.